Neal's Gadget silence

You can agree or disagree, but this comes back exactly to not understanding facts and choosing to believe what you wish.

I’m just saying that statistics can present something as a “fact”, but statistics could be twisted and manipulated. Statistics are not fact themselves. They just present data, on the basis of which we can or cannot conclude if something is a fact.

For example, I’ve seen statistic that show black people on average have lower IQ than white people. Should I take this as a fact, or should I at least investigate the methods which they used to came up with this result?

And any of this has what to do with Neal’s gadgets?

Please, take all the religious/political views to PM or better still to another forum, as it always stirs up emotions. This thread is emotive enough without more being chucked on the fire.

You’re right, I apologize. I will not post anything offtopic anymore. I urge the other participants to do the same. I’m open to a civilized discussion on PM.
Have a nice Sunday everyone.

I only quoted you, must have had the quotes mixed up. Someone got a refund and a light they didn’t order so that means they got a light for free that they didn’t pay for. That’s the facts. Paypals stance or not that’s means someone got a light for free.

Actually no, I’m not.

I’ve not said anything that should be taken as confrontational.

What is your definition of ‘developed countries’?

The modern flat earth movement was started in England.

It merely reflects how complicated polling can be, and the importance of asking the right questions.

The melody for Mila Rodino was written in the 1800s, when it was re-adopted in the 1960s the lyrics were changed in the later versus. The point being that a national anthem that was allowed by the communists was almost certainly not going to have a mention of a god.

Given the population of Bulgaria at the time that is pretty large sample size. A 95% confidence level with a margin of error of +/- 4% would have been achievable with fewer than half that number.

What exactly do you believe I’m ‘trying’?

Why is this in Deal Alerts ?

Remember that there are lots of people paying attention when they hear multiple members mention that they are having problems with a vendor . Whether it's Neal,lumintop,astrolux,gearbest or Bangood ... You may feel like you're all alone and no one cares that you're getting the screws put to you or being ignored by a vendor.

This isn't just a lack of communication on their part , it's a loud and clear warning to us all .

Maybe putting this into the correct area would help new people that are considering shopping from these dealers .

I am putting ALL orders from CHINA on HOLD until things get back to normal.
I have 2 orders from different stores placed weeks before the CNY and they still have NOT shipped.

Indeed, time for SB to close this thread

Yep, same here.
They are trying to keep corona behind the great (fire)walls of China as well

Well ,if you want a free flashlight,just order from neal & hope he sends the wrong one , lol .

I’m curious about box labels. I ordered a FW3A 3D a while back and the box came with a “WW” sticker on it; warm white as expected.

The FW lights haven’t yet been added to the comprehensive beamshot page at

I more recently ordered a LUMINTOP FW21-CREE XPL HI 3D and what I got is cool white. No sticker on the box. Yeah, I emailed a note that I got the wrong item.

The order had been long delayed because, Neal replied to my inquiry, saying one smaller item was out of stock; I asked him to cancel that part and ship.

Does this sound like his shipping person just looked at my order and grabbed the wrong box?

What labels have people gotten on boxes to distinguish what emitters were used in FW21s?

I have ongoing contact with Sofirn/Wurkkos with whom I work. Contacts never interrupted in these weeks.
I’m ordering and getting confirmations from many Chinese stores.
I find it strange that Neal, despite not being able to reach the workplace, is not able to communicate with his buyers (like Giancarlo) from home.

It would be nice if Neal gets things worked out soon. I would like to order several more lights from him especially the FW1A Pro but I still have not heard from him about my NI40 I ordered on January 31st. I’ll give him a few more weeks but after that all I can do is retract my payment. I think 7 weeks is more then fare and patient.

Something to think about.

- end of November everything was agreed upon, you might call it an order

- mid December I was still waiting for a tracking code

- around Xmas I was told the item would be restocked by December 31rd

- then all silence broke loose, even after numerous PM’s

  • and I know he/she is around, for in the meantime he/she has posted here

I could show you a copy of my PM history,
but unlike some I think they are called Private Messages for a reason.

Though this is (one of) the Neil Bash thread(s), it’s not about Neil.
It’s about someone working for a big seller, who does employ replacements.
But it’s only about a flashlight, and I have more of them lying around. Just in case.
And I can be patient, as long as the 180 day PP limit is not reached.

So should you.

It looks like everything necessary has been said about the matter in the original post. I’m closing the thread to prevent further arguments from breaking out. Feel free to create a new thread if there are any concrete new developments relating to Neal’s Gadgets.

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I think Neal's just too powerful. He's got the ability to alter your mind.

Neal fully refunded me via PP :+1:

I ordered Lumintop FW21 Grey CREE XPL HI 3D
and the package delivered a light with the 1A cold white output.

No reply to my email, it’s been 4 months. Trying email again.

What, me worry?