Need Feedback on Upcoming Triple wavelength UV Flashlight

Good to have you here, welcome to the forum.

Some feedback, not that I know much - I work as a mineral exploration geologist but don’t deal with fluorescent minerals- most sites I’ve worked at don’t have UV lamps due to their cost and, unless the commodity being explored for is related to something that fluoresces, the identification of fluorescent minerals is seen as a “so what?” by management.

I do happen to own a SW UV Systems Superbright 3 lamp, but haven’t had time to dabble in fluroescent minerals as a hobby as much as I would like.

  1. General Design/size and powersource:

Looks pretty good- it’s a “carry for a specific need” kind of light; so the size isn’t too much of a concern compared to a keychain for “everyday carry”. Assume you’ll do a nice belt holster and lanyard?

As mentioned above, 32650 is a bit of a weird cell size. Good quality springs on the head and tail will help take up differences in length of different cells. If you’re determined to stick with this body size, adaptors are a good idea- there are 26650/21700/18650 adaptors on the market already should you not wish to re-invent the wheel, but I assume you’ll want something that nests, so the end user doesn’t end up with a bunch of random bits of plastic.

I think the opportunity exists to use multiple cells, should you wish to consider making the light more “soda can” shape - Something like the Sofirn SP36 which takes 3x 18650 cells. The flashlight world has moved away from internal, plastic cell carriers which were common with AA lights which took 3,4,6,8 etc cells in a plastic insert. Generally, users will prefer the cells be held in place in the aluminium body as this is deemed to be more durable. 21700 is a popular cell size and has superior capacity to the 18650, however, 3x21700 lights are larger diameter than 3x18650.

  1. Switch Brightness/colour:

I can see both arguments for the order of the buttons - assuming conventional left to right, I’d ether go with L-H-M or L-M-H wavelengths.

Green = On, Red = off makes most sense to me. Else, just have the switch lit when the wavelength is on and do away with separate on/off colours.

A way to change the switch light brightness might appeal to many people- the Sofirn LT1 Lantern originally had a surface mount variable potentiometer which I believe was intended to function in this manor but was never executed. An alternative is via software, with user configurable off/low/med/high switch brightness.

No idea if it’s possible, but I’ve often thought a light sensitive resistor under the translucent switch cover would be great - bright in daylight, dim in the dark.

  1. Temperature regulation:

Assume it has active temperature regulation- stepping down the output when the light gets too hot?

  1. Default brightness:

I’m not sure if this would actually be useful to the intended usergroup, but as someone who makes visual observations at work, a way to ‘reset’ the outputs would be useful, for example, “is this mineral much more reactive than the one I looked at an hour ago, or do I just have the light on a higher output?”

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Just a hobby! I’ve been very fortunate to be put in a position where the lights I sell have funded my R&D and I’ve recently switched to a more wholesale model so that I can focus even more time on R&D. As for meteorites, I highly recommend this video on micrometeorites that anyone can find!

Now thats fancy. I wasn’t aware you could do SLS and flexibles. I’d only seen nylon used as SLS material until now. I see that Formlabs introduced a TPU though!

I do have a D4V1 and love the ramping on it. However, I have no idea how to implement it. Anduril is quite big so I’d love to have a vertical slice of just the ramping portion.

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If you can prove this with a photo (maybe by an adit, mining equipment, etc) I’d love to send you a SW flashlight! Feel free to DM me

No plans for a holster. Just a lanyard at most.

Correct. I couldn’t find any 32650 => X adapters so those will have to be custom made. I’m liking the 32650 less and less after these conversations but I think it makes the most sense for this 32mm driver. More below

Definitely something I considered. However, the people in the hobby generally don’t have the best lithium battery practices - mismatching cells, using them until the light goes completely flat, buying the 9900mAh 18650 cells, etc. It’s a bit concerning for me…

Now that’d be something! I’m not the biggest fan of click X times to change switch brightness since I never remember when it matters. I end up having to google the Anduril manual and then switching. It’s great that I have the option to do so! However, I don’t think your idea works in this situation since the switches also house the LEDs though. It’d perpetually read high brightness. You have to put it in a separate space from a light source

I think I may have forgotten this actually. Good thing it’s just a prototype. I’ll do the standard 55C if I didn’t already

Only the LW is adjustable so I’m not sure that applies? Either that or I’m not envisioning your scenario properly. You could just put the two next to one another or keep the same brightness. If you had to ramp it up, it’s less reactive. Or just twist the head/tail slightly to reset it.

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I don’t know either but @ToyKeeper or @thefreeman might be able to help you with that.

The short version though is you’ll need a driver that uses an attiny MCU, the bare minimum (since this light has 3 channels) would probably be an ATTiny 1616 as it has more than 3 channels of 16-bit pwm generators. This would mean all channels could have ramping brightness.

Not sure if Anduril itself can be fully implemented on a light with more than 1 switch, but maybe the ramping part of FSM could be used at least.

Luckily that should not gonna be much of an issue, they can just be plain white nylon. Just remember to give them some wiggle room so that slightly over-sized or double-wrapped batteries fit (26650 should be 28mm, 21700 should be 23mm, etc)

This is another case where an Anduril driver would be useful, it would mean the MW and SW can also ramp, and each channel could have a user-defined memorized brightness.

It can be at least in theory, there’s nothing stopping it from having support for >1 switch - the main thing would be that as it currently is, you’d need to have separate event handlers for each switch, or have the secondary switch have a more limited set of functions. Depends exactly what functionality the second switch would be used for.

@RaymondDashWu if there’s any interest in putting anduril on it, I’m available to work on it, see above about dual switch - there isn’t currently any support for it, but it could theoretically be done, but I’d definitely want to know what sort of functionality would be on the second first (e.g. if the second was just use to control which channel is active, could be doable).

I think that I’d only be interested in the ramping for one of the switches (365nm longwave). The others don’t have enough power to justify ramping in my opinion. I don’t know if that changes your expectations in any way but let me know if you’re still interested

I’ve sent you a PM

Interesting, I’d have assumed this would be a popular accessory, I’m used to having all sorts of -crap- usefull accessories and tools hanging off my belt :stuck_out_tongue:

If the main user group (fluro min mineral guys) don’t think it’s important to them, then so be it…

This is an astute observation that I generally agree with, I can understand your desire for single cell lights. Do all of your models have reverse polarity protection?

Yup, that would work. My question was just whether there’s an easy way to go back to default as I’m used to getting my eye in/calibrating what I see and if the intensity of the light changes, then there’s more variables.

Fixed SW and MW make sense to me, unless anyone wants a specific reason to have lower modes on an already low output emitter? Variable LW makes sense given the output 365nm LEDs are capable of- I’m surprised at the SBT-10X I reflowed into a Sofirn SP10, photo in post 12235 of “What did you mod today?”

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No they don’t. Many of my drivers are often maxed out on space. Even this latest fullwave light has a daughter board stacked on to make more room. I think I’ve only had one customer insert the battery backwards by accident? Drivers are dirt cheap in bulk so I just replaced it for free.

Funnily enough, that’s the reaction I get from people that see the ramping in person. They try to do it on the other wavelengths but nothing happens. Some legitimate requests from people that want to use the light for photography. However, this light wasn’t really built with photography in mind.

The scary thing is that it’s likely not being used to its full potential too! 365nm LEDs have a very high Vf and like boost drivers.

The SP10 Pro has a buck/boost driver (or maybe boost/linear+fet) IIRC, because it is designed to work with regular AA and 14500 li-ion cells.

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The light is now out and Luxwad has released a review on the light. Thanks to everyone here that helped me and gave me some good food for thought!

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