Real cameras, anyone buying them these days

I only use phones for the clock, alarms, rolodex, calendar, and sometimes calling/texting. As a camera? Pretty much never unless I need video.

Got a D3000 and D7000 which I’ll be keeping forever. Will invest in more glass, but even now I’m pretty much set for life. My 28mm-300mm does like 99% of all shooting I do. If I need a wider aperture for a tighter DOF, I’ll use my 70mm-200mm f/2.8. Wider landscape shots, the cheap featherweight but astonishingly excellent come-with18mm-55mm is a must.

I’ve used my 50mm f/1.8 for night shots, going around snapping Christmas Lights around town, etc. But most of my other lenses pave pretty much sat unused.

Camera bodies start suffering from “digital rot” from even before you take 'em out of the box. 2wks from now, there’ll be another body with another 58Mpix sensor that now you need a 128gigameg card just to take a handful of pix. And unless you’re making wall-sized blowups, that’s resolution you really don’t need. And chances are the glass you’re using won’t even get a clear focus across the entire pic anyway, 3especially not in the corners.

Me? I used to specialise in high-speed motion shots. Birds, bees, odos (dragon- and damselflies), etc., in-flight. I posted a pic of a dragonfly in flight, and was accused by some jackass of faking it, of using a perched dragonfly on a stick or something, then photoshopping out the legs and stick. Funny thing is, I don’t even use P$, and only use IrfanView to crop, etc., any pix.

So I pointed out the legs and how they’re tucked in like helicopter skids, not just erased or whatever. And then just for spite, I took a series of other odo-in-flight closeups so zoomed in that you could count his nosehairs.

Oh, and he trash-talked me publicly that my pix were “impossible”, hence, had to be fake. I pointed out that just because they’re impossible for him, doesn’t mean they’re impossible for me. :joy:

Point being, there’s nfw anyone can get that kind of shot on a phone. Even a bird in flight like some raptor just hanging in mid-air at a distance might come out, but zoomed in? Digital zoom just doesn’t cut it. Maxed out, you’ll just see bird-blur with no features.

I’ll see if I can dig up some old shots.

If you can get some trees and rocks to stand still, absolutely, a good-quality phonecam can get a great shot, as long as you don’t look too closely. Try a 100% crop, and nope.

But for taking “webpix” and the like, phones are perfectly adequate. Get into a fenderbender and need pix of the damage (and also to snap pix of the other guy’s plate and vin by the dashboard!!), the phone’s camera is perfect. No one should be expected to carry around a DSLR just for that.

Just use the right tool for the job.

3 Thanks

Bigger sensors make a big difference, too. Phone sensors are tiny.

Only some can be applied to DSLRs but most, maybe all can apply to mirrorless cameras. That’s why when it came time to do a lens repair on my best Canon DSLR lens in 2021, I bought a Fujifilm mirrorless camera instead. The software is WAAY better.

Even if I could get a 500mm lens for my phone, it would probably suck. Macro, and other types of photography that require manual focus are still not really useful on a phone, although manual focus is probably doable acceptably on a phone. I haven’t seen one yet.

The only thing phonetography has replaced for me is the old point-and-shoot, which I never used much, anyway.

Someday, you might be able to reliably take photos like these on a phone. I might even still be alive. But I doubt it.

Oooh, the Andromeda Strain! :snowflake:

Wait before activating the nuke. Maybe they’re melting on their own. Just guessing.

I have a Pentax K-3/cheap Sigma 28-200 with me all weekends.

Have you encountered the Canon Hack Development Kit (chdk)?

Keep meaning to load it into an old canon point and shoot I have.

I feel like a camera that’s better than my phone camera would be something like entry level professional photography equipment. Not something many people were ever buying. The whole market for the everyday <$399 type of camera has been replaced by phones

Besides the superior optics. The ability to control aperture, ISO, focus, and shutter speed is often the key to getting the image you want.
Another advantage is the ability to utilize off camera flash to control lighting.
Shooting in RAW format allows more options in image editing as opposed to using a jpeg.

BTY a 1" phone camera sensor is actually not even close to being 1" in any dimension.
The camera makers get away with this owing to old standards left over from the vacuum tube TV days.
Not going to go into this here, but a quick google search will lead to many explanations.
But having a phone camera is so darn convenient. I used it often.
All the Best,
Jeff

Its says alot about humans that they are willing to give up so much in return for convenience.

If you ever want to look into Macro. The Nikon 40mm f2.8 is wicked good.
Besides getting 1 to 1, it makes an awesome prime.

Razor sharp, it puts most any zoom to shame. And not all that much $$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/810414-USA/Nikon_2200_40_mm_f_2_8G_AF_S.html

All the Best
Jeff

I got some pretty good pix with the 18mm-55mm opened up all the way. It focuses within1ft or so, literally a bug’s eye view.

This one place I’d go had these pinkish pavers in back, and every now and then you’d see a little shoot spring up from between the cracks. I laid down and almost rested the camera on the ground, and made that little shoot look like a teenytiny tree.

I think that 40 was on my list at one point, but after getting my D7k I made it a point to only get full-frame lenses so I can use 'em on everything, as I was planning to get a FX camera at some point.

Watching self-described photographers trying to rationalize using smartphone cameras rather than dedicated cameras with superior performance, sure, that’s an exercise in self-defeat.

The average person isn’t going to throw down 4 figures on a SLR that they’ll have with them almost never and will settle for merely acceptable photos rather than no photos at all.

That’s going a little bit too far. Actually a lot too far, IMHO.
While there’s no denying that expensive cameras make technically better pics, you do not need an expensive camera to make a good picture.
Owning a Sony Alpha 7 IV does not make you a good photographer.

In fact there are quite a few very impressive photographers who make very artistic pictures with smartphones as their main devices, see e.g. http://www.ericmencher.com/

Image Factoids

  • 750 billion images are on the internet, which is only 6% of the total photos that were ever taken since most of the photos we take are never shared.

  • 92.5% of photos are taken with smartphones, and only 7% with cameras.

  • There are 136 billion images on Google Images.

In 2023, people take as many as 54,000 photos every second, equating to 1.81 trillion per year.

Imagine how much energy is needed to keep all those servers running.
BTY the 30th is a super moon night.
All the Best
Jeff

Yes, I used it on my old camera. It was kind of neat, but I didn’t use the extra features very often. Mostly, it was good if I wanted a really short or really long exposure. I’ve been meaning to check if my current camera is supported, and if it has any features worth using.

I think if I was going to get an EDC style camera today, it looks like the best model would be an Elph 360 HS. It’s similar to what I have now, but with better optical zoom and slightly higher resolution. However, it’s 7 years old, and it looks like the entire product line has been discontinued since 2017. I guess phones really did take over the snapshot market, since Canon doesn’t even make products in that category any more.

1 Thank

Hemingway to Adams. Your pictures are excellent and I like them.
You must have a really good camera.

Adams to Hemingway, You write good stories.
You must have a really good typewriter…

All the Best,
Jeff

3 Thanks

The first cameras on phones were objectively bad, however after some 15 years - and probably billions of dollars in R&D - they have vastly improved. I’ve experienced this myself occasionally looking at the photos I’ve taken over time with the various phones I’ve owned.

But for all the advances in post-processing and micro optics, there’s still that hard limit on sensor size and volume for optics. Low light, fast motion, anything resembling zoom I’ve found they’re still abysmal.

Nor does owning a more modest Nikon D3500. But both will capture more light and exercise more control over that light than a smartphone package allows for.

Do you need superior optics for the same situations that smartphones handle well - or will they make enough of a difference? Probably not. But much like how I’d be suspicious of a handyman that uses a multitool almost exclusively I’d expect a photographer to use more than a smartphone.

Wait till you hear about what it takes to keep the likes of YouTube, Nextflix, and a site whose name ends in -hub running.

1 Thank

The Canon Hack got me interested. Jeez, I’m not too bad with computers but this is a serious bunch of messing around BEFORE you even get to use it. Just figuring out my camera’s firmware was a tedious pain.

1 Thank

I’ve got entirely too much photo gear. I used to lug a huge photo bag around when on vacation. Some of the lenses left over from the film days (bless you Nikon).

If I could start over, I’d have some sort of superzoom for trips.
Too old to carry all that stuff these days.

And just use the phone for EDC shots.
First rule of gunfights - bring a gun.

For home shots I still use DSLRs because of the control I can have.

All the Best,
Jeff

When Kodak was king…
An 8x10 inch negative has about as much area as a full roll of 35mm film.
And a sheet of 8x10 costs about the same. It sure makes you stop and think about making an exposure.

1 Thank

Yes, a “good” expensive camera does not a “great” photographer make. I had to tell my wife many times to stop zooming in so far using her phone camera - it did no good to get a zoomed in but blurry/pixelated picture. Finally she got an iPhone ultra. I do have a couple Canon dlsrs and am considering one of the mirrorless lines, but I have to say, the convenience of the newer phone cameras gives me pause when we go on some trips.