- The Fake-Cree LED Awareness Thread - The new "low" in Budget lights.

My problem with premium lights (besides cost) is their damn love of threadlocker glue! Evil!

LOL. I used to mod lights but by time you spent the money for a new driver, new LED you could be in for a few bob! And of course the host aren’t as good quality as a branded light.


The demand has been right here on the forum at times (rare times of course), I see here images of flashlights made by someone and requested to be cloned or copied, so the demand is sometimes blatant, like when you read posts that say something like: I am looking forward to a cheap clone of this light. While nothing seems to have been too serious, you know "clones" usually have some detail different to feel good you did not clone it 1:1.

There is always a possibility that cree is actually selling b-grade,factory rejects,etc. to Chinese companies,and makes some extra money on "junk".

The we end up buying those “junk” factory rejects.

Can this be called attack of the clone?

As far as I know this is clothing industry thing where ultra expensive brands can be found for cheap due to defects at various stores, but those are upfront due to low production numbers, I mean it is understandable.

If CREE would do that then that would be high scale, destroying 5000 emitters is not a big deal, but in order for CREE to make any sense selling factory rejects they would have to sell huge numbers, 50,000pcs?

Nichia and CREE have sued several Taiwanese companies for patent infringement, I have not yet seen any law suit against Chinese companies.

I think you're under estimating cree's LEDs production/sale by a factor of at least 10000.

50000pcs is 50 reels and maybe 100 000$.

No, just choosing some random numbers that would be appealing to middlemen, 50,000 a month.

The point of cloning a product is after all at home in China. A Chinese company may even intentionally request such batches for buying them at a lower price, rather than CREE asking people around to distribute them.

What we need to do is be able to tell the difference. Those Latticebright LEDs are very similar to the real thing. I would hate to put out a review in which I mistakenly identified counterfeits as genuine.

Who has received these counterfeits? Can you please share with us how to tell them apart? Is there a way?

Even if they are not 100% clones they can still appear as CREE LEDs, remember the XP-L fakes (not actual clones), I believe even to his days those flashlights sell like hotcakes.

Oh boy.

Hi guys, I’m new here

I’m looking to purchase some LEDS for a project but I am worried that I wont get genuine product. I want to purchase:

10 CREE XM-L RGB+ Neutral White Emitters order code: XMLCTW-A0-0000-00C2AAAB1
6 CREE XM-L2 T6 5A Neutral White Emitters order code: XMLBWT-00-0000-000BT60F5 or XMLBWT-00-0000-000BT60E5

There are not many venders to choose from but I have found just a few.

Thanks for any help!

If you stick to trusted sellers, you should be alright. Mouser, Digikey, intl-outdoor.com, Mountain electronics, Illumn.com, to name a few. And sellers like ledDNA (not my favorite) should also still be ok. Actually any seller that sells bare leds I would still trust. The problem sofar seems to be complete flashlights with false led claims.


I was looking at the xm-l2 t6 5a emitters from leddna.
The xm-l rgbw from topledlight.com

What about topledlight.com?

One thing I am having trouble with is determining what is actually being sold. For example topledlight.com is selling the xm-l rgbw in cool white and in warm white. Now Crees database only lists a cool white and neutral white. So there is no warm white order code. So in this example topledlight.com uses two valid order codes from Cree. The cool white and the neutral white. So they are using the neutral white order code for their warm white(3200k) listing. When I asked them about it he said that he forgot to remove the order code after copying and pasting information from another listing. And that the warm white option is not listed in the Cree database because it is a custom ordered item… I want the neutral white, but I guess I could settle for warm if I was sure it was genuine.

Does that sound right to you?
When I have been looking I see that this is very common among many venders. IDK what to think?

Cree ought to be able to micro-etch/engrave a copyrighted text or logo or something on the bases of their emitters, if they don’t already do that.

Heck, in a week or two, at the current rate of change, they can put a computer right under each emitter ….

I need to take some pictures to show you guys, but I have recently received several "fake" LatticeBright XM-Ls in lights and even a few fake XP-G2s. If you've seen a lot of genuine LEDs you can spot the difference by eye, but they are really pretty close. It is obvious that they are attempting to make them look like the real deal. Pretty sketchy.

I remember reading a few threads about fake XP-G2s a while back...I think they were probably LatticeBrights, even though we didn't know it at the time. Thread 1. Thread 2. Until these we hadn't seen fakes that were that good.

A few months ago I talked to a Cree rep. and this is what he had to say:

I’m glad that I bought mine from Mouser.


Eeeeek… Look at that thermal resistance! My prototype would burn in minutes.

If we can somehow acquire one of each of these Latticebright clones, to take Macro-photos of them along side the genuine CREE emitters to display the differences would be good to help us identify them apart.