Thanks for the link, cancelled my subs to ExpressVPN.
Looking for something other than Express, Iâm skimming reviews all over. After reading the article in your link, of course ExpressVPN gets recommended highly 
No idea of your level of âScallywagâ, but anything other than a previous malware company supplying my supposed secrecy would be ideal.
What are people using for IOS and OS?
Iâm using the free version of Proton VPN. No data cap and good reviews.
Thanks, just installed CyberGhost, Iâll give it a try, but good to have another option.
Necrobump!
Sad news for those of us who love Mullvad.
Iâve been using Mullvad VPN for a little over a month.
I have a few weeks left to choose a new VPN.
Iâm thinking about Private Internet Access VPN.
I tried PIA a while ago, and experienced very low upload speeds, but I think Iâll give them another chance.
EDIT:
I now think PIA might have been slow for uploads because Port Forwarding only works OUTSIDE the U.S. for PIA and I was choosing a U.S. server.
I use ProtonVPN at the moment, overall been happy with them. Iâve never used PIA so canât comment on pricing/performance but as I understand it theyâre still dedicated to protecting their usersâ privacy. ProtonVPN allow a forwarded port, which is random each time, but I havenât found any reasonable way to programmatically get what it is, which is a bit of a pain for any automation.
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Yeah, I donât know about PIA any more.
I havenât decided which VPN Iâll switch to yet. 
How legit is the concern that when youâre using a VPN instead of your ISP tracking everything you do instead the VPN provider that all your traffic is going through tracks you instead?
Idk, I used to care. When I did I had Proton VPN on the router, a Linux OS connected through Tor with a bridge and 100 digit passwords for everything that were encrypted to some key pair stored on some usb somewhere, and that key pair needed to be unencrypted by another key pair on another usb. And honestly idk if any of that even did anything But it did made doing everything way slower so I donât do it anymore.
Do still use the Linux based OS though.
Well, it depends who you use, which is why ideally you pick one run by people who ideologically support the right to privacy, and based in a country with good privacy protections, but it is definitely theoretically possible, but IMO all you really need to do is the same diligence you would with a direct ISP connection - make sure sensitive info isnât transmitted in plaintext, etc.
Very legit. IMO any VPN provider is way, way worse than most ISP.
Primarily because many VPN providers are specifically created to harvest and sell user info, and are on purpose located in jurisdictions where there are basically no laws against it.
ISPs on the other hand are bound by local laws, and in most cases even if they give your data to your government selling it or even harvesting it beyond whatâs legally required is much more risky for them.
Unless your are specifically trying to hide something from your government ISP is going to be more secure than random VPN provider.
It is really funny how so many people think VPN protects them from something when in reality most marketing claims are 100% false. Like yeah, it has encryption, but everything is encrypted nowadays anyway and encrypting already encrypted traffic does not do anything useful.
I feel like thatâs mostly free ones, while bottom-tier VPNs that are still legal companies with an actual product arenât quite that bad. Just do your research around which ones actually respect their usersâ privacy.
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Thatâs hard to impossible to do though. They can advertise that they do, but there are exactly zero ways to verify it.
My take on this - do not do sensitive stuff through vpn. Banking and whatnot. Services like this often block DC IPs anyway. ISP will never steal stuff like this and get away with it, while VPN provider easily can.
Everything else does not matter much, so it is fineâŚ
Youâre lucky I wasnât drinking coffee when I read that or youâd owe me a new keyboard
When it comes to tiers of entities I trust, ISPs are down there with large social media platforms, and only above âthe governmentâ.
Trust and what i am talking about are different things though. They absolutely will âcollect dataâ and everything. However they will not directly steal from you or do anything specifically illegal.
Makes sense to use that to you advantage and forward some stuff directly through ISP and some stuff through VPN.
VPN providers are not limited in this way, depending on how lucky your guess whom to trust was they totally can directly steal from you. Also any provider which requires an app/software will steal even stuff unrelated to whatâs transferred over their channel and often - utilize your resources to their advantage.
There is also an alternative - buying vps or dedicated server and making private vpn. This still goes through someoneâs network, but at least they have somewhat less access and their services are not designed to steal VPN user data specifically.
Maybe the library. I think thatâs all anybody uses libraries for anymore lol
Idk enough about them to have a real opinion, but it did always feel suspicious. especially the whole sales pitch of âno the free ones donât work only the ones that cost money are good because ours cost money so give us the moneyâ lol.
I just assume they can track you everywhere no matter what you do. Even Tor was started by some branch of the US military and still I think gets most of their funding from them. And was released to the public to âprotect free speechâ or something. Ya ok⌠Sure it was
Not sure if it was mentioned but it is very simple to set up your own VPN.
This wonât help if you are trying to protect traffic from your ISP, but if just looking for security when traveling I highly recommend it.
I use a Firewalla, which I recommend anyways, and I can VPN back into my home network when traveling. Firewalla offers a very simple VPN right on the device on your network, in addition to watching network traffic, and letâs you tunnel back right to that device and pop out on your ISP.