Zebralight SC65c (SC64 but in 719a) is open for pre-order

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Congratulations!
I look forward to your impressions of the SC65c Hi, compared to the SC64w Hi

unrelated
Could anyone with an Opple 3, that has an SC64 LE
please test the Flicker on M1?

Im looking for a screenshot of both the Risk Assessment and the Raw Data screens.
Like this example from my Sofirn SC21 Mini:

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thanks!

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I’ve got one. I’ll try tonight.

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I have an Opple 3 and 4. Also an SC64c LE.

Opple’s “Flicker” readings are not accurate. I think they will be able to tell you, at a very high level, if light flickers or not, but that’s it. I can say with all certainty the “frequency” reading is not valid. I have tested many light sources that I am certain do not flicker and do not use PWM, and the Opple Flicker reading shows a low-ish frequency.

Don’t believe me? Try taking it outside and measuring the sun for flicker. :wink:

It’s possible it is more accurate at lower frequencies, but at higher frequencies or no flicker at all, it’s inaccurate.

On iOS, I really like an app called “Pulsation” – it’s a quick and easy way to see if something uses PWM or flickers.

I don’t trust Opple with anything anymore. Regardless, here is what the Opple Light Master Pro 3 said about a stock ZebraLight SC64c LE on M1:

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Very helpful, thank you… :wink:
looks like very low modulation depth, low flicker index, and over 3,000 Hz… all seems good

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Is this Pulsation app called Illuminance Pulsation Meter, by Alexey Kozlov? It’s the only one I found on the AppStore (iOS).

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Yes, that is the app I was referencing.

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I found also another one called Flicker Meter, which is free to download (with in app purchases). The Pulsation app is paid, though.

I tested and it did detect PWM on a few lights.

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For reference, here is the Opple Light Master Pro 3 and 4 when measuring direct sunlight, outside:

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Some guys have already received their SC65c HI.

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Yes, I made a post on Reddit about mine today. Here is my conclusion after testing outdoors tonight:

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Outdoors, and especially at longer distances, the SC64w HI is easily the king of these four. I found that CRI didn’t matter to me as much as pure output did when outdoors. Indoors, CRI and tint is everything.

The smaller hotspot on the new SC65c HI would be fine if it had more candela. Unfortunately, it has less intensity than the SC64w HI. All of these lights are excellent and better than their competition.

My final rankings:

OUTDOORS:

  1. SC64w HI
  2. SC64c LE (519A 4500K domed)
  3. SC64c LE
  4. SC65c HI

INDOORS:

  1. SC64c LE (519A 4500K domed)
  2. SC65c HI
  3. SC64c LE
  4. SC64w HI
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How does the SC65c HI at H1 (660 lumens) compare against SC64w HI at H2 (814 lumens), regarding intensity and throw?

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This is what I measured, but take these with a grain of salt. :smiley:

Lumens:

  • SC64w HI: 1096
  • SC64c LE: 810
  • SC64c LE (519A 4500K domed): 757
  • SC65c HI: 682

Candela:

  • SC64w HI: 11681
  • SC64c LE: 4104
  • SC64c LE (519A 4500K domed): 4709
  • SC65c HI: 8785
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Thanks for all the great data!

SC64w Hi: cd/lm 11, throw 216 meters
SC64c LE: cd/lm 5, throw 128 meters
SC64c LE w 519a: cd/lm 6, throw 137 meters
SC65c Hi: cd/lm 13, throw 187 meters

for reference:
HDS w sw45k, 200 lumens, 3000 candela: cd/lm 15, throw 110 meters
HDS w dedomed 4500K 519a: 193 lumens, 4761 candela, cd/lm 25, throw 122 meters

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Here are more measurements:

SC65c HI
OPPLE 3
CCT (K) CRI R9 LUX (@ 1M, CD) DUV
H1 4150 93.1 9202 -0.0011
M1 3893 96.2 972 -0.0019
OPPLE 4
H1 4245 93.8 66.1 9135 0.0007
M1 3929 96.9 77.8 918 0.0001
SC64c LE 519a 4500K DD
OPPLE 3
CCT (K) CRI R9 LUX (@ 1M, CD) DUV
H1 4259 97.2 5543 -0.0073
M1 3893 96.2 517 -0.0063
OPPLE 4
H1 4387 96.2 81.8 7907 -0.0045
M1 4130 96.9 72.9 735 -0.0033
SC64w HI Stock
OPPLE 3
CCT (K) CRI R9 LUX (@ 1M, CD) DUV
H1 4530 79.3 10702 0.0018
M1 4176 81.9 960 0.0021
OPPLE 4
H1 4733 78.4 27.0 10658 -0.0010
M1 4309 84.3 22.8 966 0.0007
SC64c LE Stock w/Lee Minus Green
OPPLE 3
CCT (K) CRI R9 LUX (@ 1M, CD) DUV
H1 4018 94.8 4274 -0.0005
M1 3966 95.9 403 0.0011
OPPLE 4
H1 4065 91.4 100.0 4473 -0.0004
M1 4016 93.7 97.1 421 0.0022
SC64w HI XHP35 Hi 5000K
OPPLE 3
CCT (K) CRI R9 LUX (@ 1M, CD) DUV
H1 5188 93.5 9055 0.0008
M1 4858 95.6 688 0.0003
OPPLE 4
H1 5325 91.0 100.0 9189 0.0018
M1 4961 94 87.4 612 0.0030
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thanks!

SC65c Hi throw 192 meters, tint duv -0.0019
SC64w HI Stock throw 207 meters, tint duv +0.0021

the data shows the SC65c Hi has just 7% less throw than SC64w Hi,

SC65c Hi has higher CRI and tint below BBL

imho the SC65c Hi is an UpGrade.

fwiw, the SC65c Hi also has 25% more throw than a dedomed 4500K 519a in an SC64c LE

So, imho, the SC65c Hi beats the SC64w Hi in tint and CRI, with very close to the same throw,

and SC65c Hi beats the throw of a dedomed 519a in an SC64w LE

SC65c Hi Conclusion: Recommended for throw, tint, and CRI :wink:

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The stats on your modded SC64w HI 5000k look awesome. I might have to send mine in for that treatment (and also get the mushy switch replaced).

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That’s what s/he said!

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Curious how the SC65c Hi optic would look in the SC64w HI.

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Exactly the same as a stock SC64w HI.

I received my SC65c yesterday. It does not use an optic. It uses a reflector that looks identical to the reflector used for the last 9 years in every SC62, SC63 and SC64 series light.

The SC65c looks and feels identical to an SC63 or SC64.

  • The “reduced length by half a mm” is so minor a difference as to not be noticeable even with close inspection comparing an SC64w side-by-side with the SC65c.
  • The only noticeable differences in external appearance are the emitter, the anodizing and the writing on the top of the light. These differences are subtle.
  • The SC65c’s anodizing is more matte than the SC64. I think the matte looks better, though I still prefer the lighter grey matte anodizing of the SC63.

I wish Zebralight would update their external body shape.

  • The Zebralight SC63 was released 7 years ago and there has been no update to the body design since. It’s getting a bit stale.
  • The SC63’s body style is nice, but isn’t perfect. It’s slippery in the hand due to lack of knurling. There’s definitely room for improvement.
  • When I buy a new light, I want it to look and feel new. I don’t want it to look and feel exactly like the old model.

The beam on the SC65c is nice. As expected, it’s warmer than the beam on my SC64w hi and has better CRI and R9. However, it has less spill and comparable or slightly less throw.

The beam is less rosy than the dedomed Nichia 519a that I’ve gotten used to in all my moded lights. On the upside, the SC65c actually maintains its brightness far longer than my Anduril lights. Gotta love that Zebralight heat regulation.

The SC65c is also quite lightweight. I measured 88g with a Sony VTC5a installed.

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This is just their usual batch variation, not an update for the SC65c HI. My last SC64c LE order from June has identical ano other than a subtly different tint.

I agree it feels a bit weird to receive a light that looks essentially the same as what I bought back in 2016, but I suppose the change from the “ribbed for your pleasure” design was quite intentional, and they seem to be happy with the EDC models being untextured. The SC64 is still widely considered one of the best EDC lights on the market, so it’s not like they have much motivation to make any significant changes to the appearance. The difference in length is because of things like the PCB being 1.2mm instead of 1.3mm, just shaving off a tiny fraction of a mm here and there.

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