Luxeon TX-another "killer"(XP-G2 and nichia 219 competitor)

Looks identical to Luxeon T,but lumen numbers are improved,BUT there is L1T2-5085, *85CRI minimum 5000K* version with 102lm/W@1000mA,85C ;)

For max. lumen output there are 70CRI min. versions in 5000,5700 and 6500K with 160lm/W@350mA, and 130lm/W@1000mA,85C.

So basically,

L1T2-5070 is equivalent to XP-G2 *S3*,but is 70CRI minimum,5000K,better thermal resistance,lower Vf.

L1T2-5085 is perfect nichia 219 hcri replacement,but with higher CCT(cri is probably around 90,close enough IMHO),much higher eff. and possible lumen output from single emitter,much better thermal resistance,much lower Vf.

Part
Number
Nominal CCT (K)
CRI
Typical Luminous
Flux (lm)
Typical Forward Voltage (Vf)
Typical Efficacy (lm/W)
700 mA
350 mA
700 mA
1000 mA
350 mA
700 mA
1000 mA
350 mA
700 mA
1000 mA
L1T2-6570 6500K 70 151 275 369 2.71 2.80 2.86 159 140 129
L1T2-5770 5700K 70 151 275 369 2.71 2.80 2.86 159 140 129
L1T2-5085 5000K 85 118 217 292 2.71 2.80 2.86 124 111 102
L1T2-5080 5000K 80 135 247 332 2.71 2.80 2.86 142 126 116
L1T2-5070 5000K 70 151 275 369 2.71 2.80 2.86 159 140 129
L1T2-4085 4000K 85 120 217 291 2.71 2.80 2.86 127 111 102
L1T2-4080 4000K 80 136 247 331 2.71 2.80 2.86 143 126 116
L1T2-4070 4000K 70 147 269 360 2.71 2.80 2.86 155 137 126
L1T2-3585 3500K 85 114 208 279 2.71 2.80 2.86 120 106 98
L1T2-3580 3500K 80 130 238 319 2.71 2.80 2.86 137 121 112
L1T2-3090 3000K 90 103 188 252 2.71 2.80 2.86 109 96 88
L1T2-3085 3000K 85 108 197 264 2.71 2.80 2.86 114 101 92
L1T2-3080 3000K 80 124 227 304 2.71 2.80 2.86 131 116 106
L1T2-3070 3000K 70 135 245 327 2.71 2.80 2.86 142 125 114
L1T2-2790 2700K 90 96 175 234 2.71 2.80 2.86 101 89 82
L1T2-2785 2700K 85 102 186 249 2.71 2.80 2.86 108 95 87
L1T2-2780 2700K 80 118 216 289 2.71 2.80 2.86 124 110 101

That's a lot of numbers!

All I understand is cri, k, lm/w....

But don't really understand the Vf stuff....when is it better/worse than others?

Nichia 219 have a high Vf and not are not really 1 cell friendly, not only that but one of the highest thermal resistances for it's size typical 7W/C and 12W/C Max.

Example for Vfs based on actual tests by different advanced users not based on datasheets.

Nichia 219 highly appraised one:

3.886V at 2A

Cree XP-G2 R5 criticized one:

3.25V at 2A

Now for 1*18650 cell you start with 4.2V which is surely limited to less by sense resistors, springs and all that.

Lower Forward Voltage (Vf) is better for many reasons. Off the top of my head, and in no way technical, longer run times and the battery can maintain the required voltage longer, and it also typically means lower power required (unless the current is higher than normal).

No current will flow through a diode until the applied voltage is higher than Vf.

Current in a simple circuit is I=(V-Vf)/R

Isn't the voltage and such regulated by the driver?

These are LED specs driver can't do anything but to try to provide for the load (LED)

Another example using the same sources and the datasheet for the Luxeon TX, this time at a more lower current.


Nichia 219 @1A 3.486V
Cree XP-G2 R5 @1A 3.1V
Luxeon TX @1A 2.86V

The Nichia 129AT sold by IS is the low voltage bin variant there's one with a higher forward voltage.

The Luxeon TX actually come in 3 forward voltage bins.
2.50V - 2.75V
2.75V - 3.00V
3.00V - 3.25V

I measured around 3.30Volts at 4A for Lux T and Z ES on alu sinkpad.I’ll try to solder one T and one Z ES to xm-l copper sinkpad,and compare it with xp-g2 on copper(volts and ceiling bounce).

Yes.... im looking forward to your tests!

Comparisons make it much easier for me to understand those numbers...

Which forward voltage bin is the Luxeon T that you are using?

Unknown,you can’t buy binned luxeons,except full reels.From my experience with luxeon leds,you’ll get typical numbers 95% of the time.

Just to be clear what sources I used for the Nichia and XP-G2 LEDs, CPF and Match

I just took a XP-G2 R4 on an 16mm by 1.0mm aluminum PCB and measured 3.060V at 1A, for 2 seconds because I didn't want to get too warm, ambient temp 21C.

Please measure the Vf at 1000mA and 2000mA for the Luxeon T you have.

Excellent info led4power. Thank you for reporting.

Would you happen to have any product links to the best price you have seen so far?

You can't get Luxeon Q or TX so far from anywhere.

Bummer. Thanks Hikelite.

Yeah, they are still very fresh LEDs

Very nice, thanks for that graph.

Are these in production yet? Or still in the engineering/concept state?

Dear Santa Match… :wink:

They are available for some time (mouser,digikey).
Some more info on testing(I'll put more graphs later):
Xp-g2s R5 1A(FT) mounted on noctigon copper,luxeons on ALU sinkpad-Z ES are warm white 3500K 80CRI,and Ts are 5000K 80CRI.Why these?Because they were first available at the time. Not sure does different phosphor layer has some impact on overdriving capabilities(all tests on net are done for top binned cool white leds),but i assume there is no impact.
I also soldered one Z ES on copper sinkpad(not sure how successful this was, for now) . Stars are mounted on 90x30mm round polished alu heatsinks(AS5 paste).
I actually dedome lux T(easier to solder).It's a weird led.It has core identical to Z ES,around this core is alumina frame(white stuff),and silicone dome hold parts together.But there is bad news-dedoming(gasoline) removed some phosphor(just like mt-g2),and color became cooler.Since Z ES is already undomed,dedoming lux T doesn't make sense,but more testing is needed.

Voltage was measured with UNI-T71C , kelvin method(4 wire),so voltage readings should be pretty accurate.
I also did some ceiling bounce readings,but I'm not sure how reliable they are.Max reading (xp-g2@5A) was only 85lux,so resolution wasn't good.When you consider that xp-g2 is 1A tint and 70CRi typ. and domed,while luxeons are neutral-warm white 80CRI dedomed,possible error is huge.Nevertheless,some data is better than no data at all :)

Some data for xp-g2s:
-they die at 5500mA(with one gold wire at 3500mA)
-their voltage varies quite a bit(upper graph for xp-g2 is average value of two leds,one had 4.02V at 5A,other had 4.22V)
-no difference in Vf for domed vs. dedomed (I got higher voltage after I accidentally broke one gold wire,so higher voltage after dedoming means you probably damaged wire)
-next thing is weird:lux drop after dedoming was negligible??? (my only explanation would be that more blue is converted to green,and green gives much more lm/W,so efficacy drop after dedoming isn't big as it should be)