New release Vapcell 14500 650mah 7A button top and 10440 320mah 3A battery

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CRX, thanks for the testing, I hope the 16340 800mAh performs well too!

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Yeah it probably would have been better with a regulated driver but that is the only AA sized light I have, still gives a fair guide.
I have a couple of the 16340s on the way to me too, we’ll see how they compare to the AWT yellow 16340s which are the best high drain 16340 cells I’ve had so far for both output and longevity.

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I have a couple of the 16340s on the way to me too, we’ll see how they compare to the AWT yellow 16340s which are the best high drain 16340 cells I’ve had so far for both output and longevity.

I’m interested in this as a replacement for the Olight battery in my S1R. I know I won’t be able to charge it in the light, but I’m not that happy with the ORB-163C05, as it does not do so well in cool temps (or colder) providing current for turbo mode.

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Yeah, I’ve never had much faith in the Olight cells. The AmpsPlus 16340 is quite good too.

So the Olight ORB-163C05 cell just has an exposed negative contact at the top of the cell?

I’ve modded cells to have this feature before such as in the MBI HF which has a built in charging unit using the same principle.


And this carbon fibre spare cell carrier with built in charger.

I wouldn’t recommend modifying cells if you’re not confident in doing so though.
Gotta be very careful not to short these cells.

Interested how the contacts are arranged in the S1R, springs, contact plate or both used?

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Interested how the contacts are arranged in the S1R, springs, contact plate or both used?

the tailcap inside looks like this:

The positive contact is spring loaded. The negative is a ring that is stationary. I think the spacing of the contacts is important to get the cell to charge via the tailcap. I considered removing the insulation from the top of a cell to see if that would do it, but have not yet purchased any cells for this light except the Olight one that came with it.

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Thanks for the information and picture Thumbs Up
Yes getting the spacing right can be a pain but made easier with the central sprung contact.
Looks like the Olight cell has a thin negative disc tac welded to the top of the cell can or does it have a protection circuit on top?

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The Olight 10c cell is the best 16340 I have tested for a 16340. Its used in the S1R II and is what gives the S1R II the ability to make 1000 lumens. I detailed the process of taking off the negative ring and rewrapping the cell for normal use in this thread. http://budgetlightforum.com/node/64358
Vapcell may have found the source of these cells and made some improvements since there is extra space the olight cell uses for the negative terminal at the top with a extra spacer and ring. I got several on the way to test. Vapcell has lived up to their claims so far, hoping this new 16340 does as well.

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That’s great, thanks Thumbs Up
I had actually posted in that thread but the old memory isn’t what it used to be Big Smile

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CRX wrote:

I’ve modded cells to have this feature before such as in the MBI HF which has a built in charging unit using the same principle.


And this carbon fibre spare cell carrier with built in charger.

This is probably off topic, but oh well; just had to say it. Wink

You certainly do some impressive work CRX!! . Thumbs Up

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Here is the right link purged of everything:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-capacity-power-RCR123A-Vapcell-1634...

Should give you a link in English.

Close your browser too just in case.

Thanks you very much ,BlueSwordM Smile

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THE_dAY wrote:
CRX, thanks for the testing, I hope the 16340 800mAh performs well too!

Thanks Smile hope hope to get your feedback as soon as possible.

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The Olight 10c cell is the best 16340 I have tested for a 16340. Its used in the S1R II and is what gives the S1R II the ability to make 1000 lumens. I detailed the process of taking off the negative ring and rewrapping the cell for normal use in this thread. http://budgetlightforum.com/node/64358 Vapcell may have found the source of these cells and made some improvements since there is extra space the olight cell uses for the negative terminal at the top with a extra spacer and ring. I got several on the way to test. Vapcell has lived up to their claims so far, hoping this new 16340 does as well.

Thanks,we do not know who make olight 10c, and we did not tested it before.

This is the first time to focus on 16340 batteries.

we hope vapcell 16340 battery can satisfy you all.

If there is something unsatisfactory, we will also listen to suggestions and continue to improve.

Thank you

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CRX wrote:
Yeah it probably would have been better with a regulated driver but that is the only AA sized light I have, still gives a fair guide. I have a couple of the 16340s on the way to me too, we’ll see how they compare to the AWT yellow 16340s which are the best high drain 16340 cells I’ve had so far for both output and longevity.

AWT 16340 is so great ,thanks
hope can get your feedback. Smile

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When will the 16340 cells ship? I ordered them 10 days ago but tracking shows no movement yet

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When will the 16340 cells ship? I ordered them 10 days ago but tracking shows no movement yet

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djozz wrote:
When will the 16340 cells ship? I ordered them 10 days ago but tracking shows no movement yet

I ordered about the same time, my order hasn’t moved either.
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CRX wrote:
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This is probably off topic, but oh well; just had to say it. Wink
You certainly do some impressive work CRX!! . Thumbs Up

Thanks, I try LOL

Vapcell, you will need to get a bit sharper with the shipping situation, some of our 16340 cell orders have been “ready for transport” for 15 days now.

Waiting on you.. Wink

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I got 4 of the new Vapcell 16340 batteries in today and I did a very rough test for how high drain they are: I put them in my small Supfire S1 that I modded with BLF-A6 driver and Luxeon V led, and has a bypassed tail spring. With the low voltage Luxeon V and FET driver it draws whatever it gets from the battery. I compared the Vapcell with what was my best 16340 cell sofar, and Enercig TN16340C 700mAh high drain cell (bought from NKON). I do not own many recent 16340 cells but this Enercig was already a nice upgrade from my old Efest cells.

I charged two Enercig cells and two Vapcell cells, and measured output in lumens after 3 seconds and after 30 seconds. For each of the batteries I did 2 measurements, in random order, and 10 minutes between tests every time.

Enercig 1_ 3sec: 1060/1030_ 30sec: 910/880
Enercig 2_ 3sec: 860/960_ 30sec: 760/840
Vapcell 1_ 3sec: 1130/1140_ 30sec: 1100/1090
Vapcell 2_ 3sec: 1080/1150_ 30sec: 1040/1083

This just tells you what happened in the first 30 seconds after a full charge, and also you can see how crude it is because when re-testing the same battery (with topping up in between) the numbers vary quite a lot.

Nevertheless it is clear that the Vapcells get my S1 more output than the Enercigs, and more clearly even that they maintain voltage way better after 30 seconds (the Vapcell batteries even seem to be on a plateau at 30 seconds, only very slowly dropping, while the Enercigs were still in a decline after 30 seconds.)

Sofar my very simple ‘real life’ test, for me this is a solid “pass” for the new Vapcell 16340 Thumbs Up

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I got 4 of the new Vapcell 16340 batteries in today and I did a very rough test for how high drain they are: I put them in my small Supfire S1 that I modded with BLF-A6 driver and Luxeon V led, and has a bypassed tail spring. With the low voltage Luxeon V and FET driver it draws whatever it gets from the battery. I compared the Vapcell with what was my best 16340 cell sofar, and Enercig TN16340C 700mAh high drain cell (bought from NKON). I do not own many recent 16340 cells but this Enercig was already a nice upgrade from my old Efest cells.

I charged two Enercig cells and two Vapcell cells, and measured output in lumens after 3 seconds and after 30 seconds. For each of the batteries I did 2 measurements, in random order, and 10 minutes between tests every time.

Enercig 1_ 3: 1060/1030_ 30: 910/880
Enercig 2_ 3: 860/960_ 30: 760/840
Vapcell 1_ 3: 1130/1140_ 30: 1100/1090
Vapcell 2_ 3: 1080/1150_ 30: 1040/1083

This just tells you what happened in the first 30 seconds after a full charge, and also you can see how crude it is because when re-testing the same battery (with topping up in between) the numbers vary quite a lot.

Nevertheless it is clear that the Vapcells get my S1 more output than the Enercigs, and more clearly even that they maintain voltage way better after 30 seconds (the batteries even seem to be on a plateau at 30 seconds, only very slowly dropping.)

Sofar my very simple ‘real life’ test, for me this a solid “pass” for the new Vapcell 16340 Thumbs Up


Looks good djozz, so far so good. Still waiting for mine to show up.
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Thanks Djozz for the good info. Vapcell have been releasing some really top notch cells lately. They have the best cells of each size, this 16340, 14500 gold wrap, 18650 p26A/p28a and vtc5d/vtc6a,21700 p42a, and 26650 red wrapper that tested 59xx mah may same as the Shocklis

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djozz wrote:
I got 4 of the new Vapcell 16340 batteries in today and I did a very rough test for how high drain they are: I put them in my small Supfire S1 that I modded with BLF-A6 driver and Luxeon V led, and has a bypassed tail spring. With the low voltage Luxeon V and FET driver it draws whatever it gets from the battery. I compared the Vapcell with what was my best 16340 cell sofar, and Enercig TN16340C 700mAh high drain cell (bought from NKON). I do not own many recent 16340 cells but this Enercig was already a nice upgrade from my old Efest cells.

I charged two Enercig cells and two Vapcell cells, and measured output in lumens after 3 seconds and after 30 seconds. For each of the batteries I did 2 measurements, in random order, and 10 minutes between tests every time.

Enercig 1_ 3sec: 1060/1030_ 30sec: 910/880
Enercig 2_ 3sec: 860/960_ 30sec: 760/840
Vapcell 1_ 3sec: 1130/1140_ 30sec: 1100/1090
Vapcell 2_ 3sec: 1080/1150_ 30sec: 1040/1083

This just tells you what happened in the first 30 seconds after a full charge, and also you can see how crude it is because when re-testing the same battery (with topping up in between) the numbers vary quite a lot.

Nevertheless it is clear that the Vapcells get my S1 more output than the Enercigs, and more clearly even that they maintain voltage way better after 30 seconds (the Vapcell batteries even seem to be on a plateau at 30 seconds, only very slowly dropping, while the Enercigs were still in a decline after 30 seconds.)

Sofar my very simple ‘real life’ test, for me this is a solid “pass” for the new Vapcell 16340 Thumbs Up

Dear djozz

Thank you very much for your feedback like lightning after delivery.

Hope you can use it for a while and follow up on the status of vapcell batteries.

Hope to get some advice. Thank you.

Could you share your shopping evaluation in Ali- Express a few days later?

Thanks again Smile

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djozz wrote:
I got 4 of the new Vapcell 16340 batteries in today and I did a very rough test for how high drain they are: I put them in my small Supfire S1 that I modded with BLF-A6 driver and Luxeon V led, and has a bypassed tail spring. With the low voltage Luxeon V and FET driver it draws whatever it gets from the battery. I compared the Vapcell with what was my best 16340 cell sofar, and Enercig TN16340C 700mAh high drain cell (bought from NKON). I do not own many recent 16340 cells but this Enercig was already a nice upgrade from my old Efest cells.

I charged two Enercig cells and two Vapcell cells, and measured output in lumens after 3 seconds and after 30 seconds. For each of the batteries I did 2 measurements, in random order, and 10 minutes between tests every time.

Enercig 1_ 3: 1060/1030_ 30: 910/880
Enercig 2_ 3: 860/960_ 30: 760/840
Vapcell 1_ 3: 1130/1140_ 30: 1100/1090
Vapcell 2_ 3: 1080/1150_ 30: 1040/1083

This just tells you what happened in the first 30 seconds after a full charge, and also you can see how crude it is because when re-testing the same battery (with topping up in between) the numbers vary quite a lot.

Nevertheless it is clear that the Vapcells get my S1 more output than the Enercigs, and more clearly even that they maintain voltage way better after 30 seconds (the batteries even seem to be on a plateau at 30 seconds, only very slowly dropping.)

Sofar my very simple ‘real life’ test, for me this a solid “pass” for the new Vapcell 16340 Thumbs Up


Looks good djozz, so far so good. Still waiting for mine to show up.
Smile please contact Cassiel for tracking update , hope you will get it soon, Thanks you very much
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Thanks Djozz for the good info. Vapcell have been releasing some really top notch cells lately. They have the best cells of each size, this 16340, 14500 gold wrap, 18650 p26A/p28a and vtc5d/vtc6a,21700 p42a, and 26650 red wrapper that tested 59xx mah may same as the Shocklis

Thanks you very much,SKV89

Our company will continue to provide the best batteries for the market. Smile

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I purchased and tested a gold 14500 button top this evening. The discharge capacity was 966 mAh, with a charge capacity of 970 mAh’s at 4.18 volts.

The resistance was 103 ohms. Seems a bit high, especially in comparison to my Efest 14500 (29 ohms) and my EBL 14500’s (all four are 49-54 ohms). Thoughts?

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I purchased and tested a gold 14500 button top this evening. The discharge capacity was 966 mAh, with a charge capacity of 970 mAh’s at 4.18 volts.

The resistance was 103 ohms. Seems a bit high, especially in comparison to my Efest 14500 (29 ohms) and my EBL 14500’s (all four are 49-54 ohms). Thoughts?

This battery is the flat top of the original version, and the product consistency is very good.

Some customers need a button top, which requires spot welding machine welding

Sometimes there will be oxidation problems, which will lead to the increase of internal resistance of batteries.

We are also improving welding technology.

Thank you very much for your feedback.

The other batteries you’re talking about are the original version, button top, not welded.

Can you accept flat top? You can use tools to remove the button top. Then the battery is flat head.

Internal resistance less than 60 mOH

Thank you

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Your charger is not reading IR of button tops accurately. Your other thread explains it

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contactcr wrote:
Your charger is not reading IR of button tops accurately. Your other thread explains it

I got the Xtra Dragon VP4 plus which uses probes to measure both voltage and resistance. All my other battery testing looks good, even a few button tops I have.

Prior I was using the Miniboxer C4-12 which is not accurate like mentioned.

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19/04/2019 Hello, everyone. To repay BLF fans, vapcell launched four discounted batteries. Add a button top to fit the flashlight better. $20.01/pair Vapcell 18650 2600mah 25a rewrap H26 ":https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1-dollar-coupon-Vapcell-18650-2... $19.94/pair "Vapcell 20700 3100mah 30a https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1-dollar-coupon-Vapcell-20700-B... $21.24/pair"Vapcell 20700 3200mah 30a rewrap sanyo 2070A": https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1-dollar-coupon-Vapcell-Genuine... $24.29/pair "Vapcell 20700 3500mah 30a rewrap best sanyo 2070C ": https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1-dollar-coupon-Vapcell-Green-2... If you don't like it, please tell me which one you like, and we will make a discount for you next time. Have a great weekend ahead of time.

Last time, when I ordered button top Vapcell batteries from the Vapcell AliExpress store, I got button top batteries with significantly increased internal resistance compared to the flat top ones of the same type. Can you confirm, that Vapcell have revised the method of applying button tops, or it is still not recommended to get button top battery if I would expect the same (or nearly the same) current specification for the selected battery?

And this is not a charger related problem, as I have reliable Samsung INR18650-30Q button top batteries, which has nearly same internal resistance reading in my chargers, as the flat top ones.

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I received my Vapcell 16340’s today. I ran a 3 amp discharge test on the icharger from fully charged. I got 638mah at 12 min and 45 secs down to 3v.
Down to 2.75v, I got 726mah at 15 min and 25 secs. This test was done at a constant discharge of 3 amps and there’s no doubt this cell will make 800mah or more at a 1 amp or less discharge.
When I started the test the voltage stayed decently high. It started at 3.7v under the load and fell rapidly to 3.6v where it slowly crept down to 3.5v after about 3 mins. The cell done very well holding around 3.5v for awhile.
We have a new 16340 King, less sag and more capacity Crown .
Thanks Vapcell for improving on these smaller size cells. Great Job Thumbs Up .

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