Drop.com $20 off - Lumintop Copper/Brass Tool for $10 - N/A as of 12/10/19

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jon_slider wrote:
these aaa lights do not run on the Highest mode for long, I mainly use the Medium mode. The lumintop version starts on Medium, which I like better than the Massdrop version, which starts on Low.
Well, that’s a bummer. Maybe because of the Nichia 219C? My Jetbeam-U is very efficient. Nice design. Simple UI stepping from low—>high. Mode memory, which is fine because it’s not a primary task light for me. Would be nice if they had a copper version, though.
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Did anyone order from Europe?
Is it just the shipping fee ($ 2.38) or are there other taxes?
Thanks.

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CPR wrote:
Did anyone order from Europe?
Is it just the shipping fee ($ 2.38) or are there other taxes?
Thanks.

No taxes/vat for the UK – you’ll have to look at your own countries policies tax/vat I suppose.
How they ship it from the USA for $2.38 is beyond me – in fact I’m pretty sure it’s not possible.
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They ship from China Mainland.

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Lick, thanks for the link to Zeroair’s review and comparison of the different flavors of the Massdrop and Tool (post #50). It is very useful.

jon_slider, thanks for the additional info and beamshots (post #60).

I definitely prefer LMH and would most likely use low and medium the most. The level and runtime on low and medium are more important to me than the high specs.

It’s possible that I’ll end up not ordering any of these for hat brim use.

I’ve always got the Folomov Pen L1 in my shirt pocket for hand-held high CRI use.

cyclops, thanks for the idea of adding $5 expedited shipping to get to total order of the aluminum up to $30 to take advantage of the $20 off coupon – I just might take that route.

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Unheard wrote:
They ship from China Mainland.

Yes, got mine shipped.

From Shen Zhen, China as per email.

By the way, thanks cyclops for the share…

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That will explain it…. Facepalm thought where it was a US site with free US returns, that it came from US lol.

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That will explain it…. Facepalm thought where it was a US site with free US returns, that it came from US lol.

Ha ha… The best part is US get free shipping to my understanding while to my location is $2.38… Still, that’s fair enough with total $12.38 shipped to my location.

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Well, that’s a bummer. Maybe because of the Nichia 219C? My Jetbeam-U is very efficient.

There was a change to the Lumintop drivers that lowered the runtime on High to 30 minutes instead of 1 hour. Im not sure why, my guess is it was caused by increasing the output of the highest mode.

During the Worm Era, the drivers were regulated and more efficient, like in your Jetbeam. There is a thread about the change in the Lumintop drivers in this thread.

But I still think the Cu Tool is a classic worth buying.

changing LEDs changes output, not runtime, or regulation

fwiw
my copper Tool w sw45k makes 77 lumens, and on the same battery my JetU w Optisolis 6500k makes 72 lumens. The other modes are also similar between the two lights.

I much prefer the Tool because
it can clip to a hat
it does not have last mode memory
I prefer a tailswitch to a twisty

If you want a copper twisty, I highly recommend the Maratac aaa CU

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To me, High CRI is THE most important thing, and from an AAA light, Im happy at 20 lumens and I dont expect to use them at 100 lumen levels

The Jet U driver runs flat regulated on High, which I concede the Tool does not, but the Jetu does not come in High CRI, does not clip to a hat, and I dont like memory. (because I forget, lol)

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Thanks for the heads up OP.
I already had the Cree version so picked up the Nicha shipped to Canada for $12.75. Cannot beat that deal!

QUANTITY
1
SUBTOTAL
$30.00
SHIPPING & HANDLING
$2.75
DISCOUNT
-$20.00
TOTAL (USD)
$12.75

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Where do the lights ship from? San Francisco or China? Was thinking SF for some reason… Facepalm DUH

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Streamer wrote:
Where do the lights ship from?…

my shipping notice email says the package originated in Shenzen China

USPS Tracking info says:

November 20, 2019, 9:26 pm
Arrived Shipping Partner Facility, USPS Awaiting Item
Shipping Partner: INTERNATIONAL BRIDGE
Your item arrived at a shipping partner facility at 9:26 pm on November 20, 2019. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date.

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xevious wrote:

Cool -- thanks for all this info & will investigate. I was starting to wonder if the technology production optimization had gotten so good now, that "audio engines" for this tiny form factor are pretty much at the limit, and all these companies are doing is coming up with fancier packaging to seduce people into spending hundreds of dollars for the same technology in lesser earbuds. About 10 years ago, I don't think this was the case. I have about 5 different earbuds ranging from $10 to $50, purchased over about 5 years or so, last set from 4 years ago. And there are notable differences.

MH755+MH&50 were made in 2012 and all this is old stock. If you are interested in an objective standpoint, there is a curve called the harmon curve. https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/harman-tweaks-its-headphone-target-response

The paper is here: https://seanolive.blogspot.com/2015/11/factors-that-influence-listeners.html

The conclusion is most headphone makers have no idea what they're doing. KZ seduced me with its promise of replaceable cables, its nice sounding for bassheads, like the ATR and the ZS3, and ER4. But the cables on them suck, they are really heavy and don't go on your ears normally, they go over the top, if you like that style. I don't think you need to do too much research, they're super cheap! If you don't like them you're out $6 or so and you can get another IEM!

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moderator007 wrote:
Oh and by the way, I figured out which resistor and value to change on the driver to give a lower low if anyone is interested. Mine now does about .5 lumen in low for a moonlight low.

Nice job, details please!
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Lick wrote:

moderator007 wrote:
Oh and by the way, I figured out which resistor and value to change on the driver to give a lower low if anyone is interested. Mine now does about .5 lumen in low for a moonlight low.

 


Very interested! Does it affect other modes too? How similar is it to the Glaree E03 driver? https://jetplow.org/2018/07/14/glaree-e03-teardown-mini-review/


They look identical best I remember. Its been a week or so since I was in it messing around. That review has some pretty useful info in it, thanks. I didn’t ever find out what exactly the 6 pin ic was either. I did find another driver where the PAM2803 was used and had a similar 6 pin ic. In that driver the 6 pin ic was a mode controller. Apparently it was made just to add modes to a led driver in a small package. Not certain that this 6 pin ic in this driver is the same but with no mcu on board it about has to be.
Mine has different markings on the 6 pin ic but I couldn’t find a datasheet for it either. The CFC6F is a boost controller and its very common in AA and AAA flashlight drivers that can also run li-ion batteries. It runs direct drive anything above the vf of the led. I changed the high resistor out for a much lower one and there was no current chnage using a AAA Eneloop. I went back and looked at some of my test data from the Sunwayman V11R which uses the same PAM2803 and the numbers from the input volatge to output current was on par with what I had tested before with the V11R driver. I wanted to see if I could increse the current but I think this is about max using a eneloop battery.
I think I got this labeled right.

You can check the resistance of each with a DMM. I think high measured less than .200 ohms (my DMM doesn’t measure very accuratly down that low).
Med measured around 1 ohm and low 10 ohms. Changing low to 100 to 500 ohms will give you a lower low. Mine has a 500 ohm and measured about .5 lumens.
These appear to be 0402 size resistors, tiny and fun to solder. Just be careful not to shoot it across the room when picking them up with tweezers, never to be seen again Facepalm .
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Just be careful not to shoot it across the room when picking them up with tweezers, never to be seen again Facepalm .

SMD technology invented jumping spider components.
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jon_slider wrote:
There was a change to the Lumintop drivers that lowered the runtime on High to 30 minutes instead of 1 hour. Im not sure why, my guess is it was caused by increasing the output of the highest mode.

During the Worm Era, the drivers were regulated and more efficient, like in your Jetbeam. There is a thread about the change in the Lumintop drivers in this thread.

But I still think the Cu Tool is a classic worth buying.
changing LEDs changes output, not runtime, or regulation
fwiw
my copper Tool w sw45k makes 77 lumens, and on the same battery my JetU w Optisolis 6500k makes 72 lumens. The other modes are also similar between the two lights.
I much prefer the Tool because

  • it can clip to a hat
  • it does not have last mode memory
  • I prefer a tailswitch to a twisty

If you want a copper twisty, I highly recommend the Maratac aaa CU
To me, High CRI is THE most important thing, and from an AAA light, Im happy at 20 lumens and I dont expect to use them at 100 lumen levels

The Jet U driver runs flat regulated on High, which I concede the Tool does not, but the Jetu does not come in High CRI, does not clip to a hat, and I dont like memory. (because I forget, lol)

I don’t mind neutral & slightly cool tints for short use EDC lights. I usually have 2 lights on me. And in a moment when my primary EDC is in another room or somewhere else, the Jet-U in my pocket does the trick. I also prefer tail switches, although I don’t mind twisty types that lend themselves to one handed use. I do agree that AAA lights shouldn’t be super bright. No reason for it in that small a form factor, due to very limited thermal management and reflector size. Plus, it’s a near field flashlight type. So max of the Lumintop is OK with me. Anyway, I’ve grown more curious to see how good it is, compared to my other AAA lights.
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Lick wrote:

MH755+MH&50 were made in 2012 and all this is old stock. If you are interested in an objective standpoint, there is a curve called the harmon curve. https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/harman-tweaks-its-headphone-target-response

The paper is here: https://seanolive.blogspot.com/2015/11/factors-that-influence-listeners.html

The conclusion is most headphone makers have no idea what they're doing. KZ seduced me with its promise of replaceable cables, its nice sounding for bassheads, like the ATR and the ZS3, and ER4. But the cables on them suck, they are really heavy and don't go on your ears normally, they go over the top, if you like that style. I don't think you need to do too much research, they're super cheap! If you don't like them you're out $6 or so and you can get another IEM!

Very interesting. About headphone makers having no idea what they're doing, I can believe that. I used to frequent AudioKarma back in the good ol' Zilch days. Lots of very knowledgeable people were frequenting discussions. It would seem a lot of speaker makers have lots of egos who are more into doing something different to claim as their own, rather than doing what's more expedient for good sound. They've lost their way from audio founding-father folks like Henry Kloss and James Lansing. And with headphones being so small, I wouldn't be surprised if that segment is even more fraught with disinformation.
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I got a shipping update:

Hello Copper Tool,

Your item departed a shipping partner facility at 7:30 pm on November 21, 2019. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date.

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Very interesting topic and the price at Drop is probably unbeatable!
Also very interesting to show how swapping resistor position can change mode sequence from LMH to MLH, MLH is my favorite but for the massdrop versions it is unfortunately LMH. I have always used the driver from Lumintop Tools for the Drop AAAs, of course this also works, but the tip here is cheaper Thumbs Up
But I don’t buy AAA from Drop now because I already have too many with different LEDs Smile

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Thanks cyclops, it works!

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Coppet wrote:

Are those Promotheus’ clips? You have amazing collection there.

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lumenzilla wrote:
Are those Promotheus’ clips?

no they are not Ti clips from darksucks
they are Stainless Steel Preon 2 clips

darksucks used to sell Ti clips for the Original Preon (made by Olight), that look similar, but they dont fit the Lumintop Tool

the clip that fits the Tool is for the Preon2, I buy then from this guy

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Thanks Jon Thumbs Up
Yes, these are Preon clips made of stainless steel, fit perfectly and are more stable than the originals.
But they only fit Bezel down which I don’t mind

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Coppet wrote:
they only fit Bezel down which I don’t mind

they also fit bezel up, so the light can be clipped to a hat

to make the light work in that arrangement, a spacer is needed for the pill to contact the body tube. It can be a bent wire from a paper clip, or a copper washer, or whatever you find works for you…

Info regarding the preon clip and how to make it work at the head of the light so it can clip to a hat… it needs a conductive shim between the pill and the body…

the TiTool is slightly different:

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These lights don’t support 10440 lithium?

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Sari33 wrote:
These lights don’t support 10440 lithium?

why would you want to?

read the links in this post for more details
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1069961#comment-1069961

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