Drop.com $20 off - Lumintop Copper/Brass Tool for $10 - Discount not available as of 12/10/19

404 posts / 0 new
Last post
jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment

E21a works in a Tool Smile

I had my doubts when I first started

this was not quite what I had in mind

but things got better along the way.. thanks to some great coaching from the very generous unsung hero, moderator007

and some great LEDs from virence.com

lumenzilla
lumenzilla's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 days 21 hours ago
Joined: 06/09/2015 - 04:18
Posts: 840
Location: Java

jon_slider wrote:
E21a works in a Tool Smile


I’m wondering if we can make an interest list for clip like this and ask manufacturer to produce..

jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment

The New Preon clips are NOS, available here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Foursevens-New-Preon-Pocket-Clip/282822811096
as part of the liquidation of 47s stock in Georgia

you could create an interest list for a group buy and maybe get the price down a buck or two..

.
.

darksucks also offers the same 47s New Preon Clips (stainless, not Ti anymore)
https://darksucks.com/products/replacement-pocket-clips

(Past Titanium clips by darksucks have a smaller hole, for an earlier version preon)

they are Great clips for a Tool and also Maratac!

lumenzilla
lumenzilla's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 days 21 hours ago
Joined: 06/09/2015 - 04:18
Posts: 840
Location: Java

^
Yes, they’re great clips.
I’ve put the ebay page into my watchlist since months ago but he doesn’t ship to my country.

I didn’t bother to ask the seller, just imagining the shipping fee will be not cheap.

Unheard
Unheard's picture
Offline
Last seen: 10 hours 28 min ago
Joined: 01/16/2019 - 11:38
Posts: 1259
Location: Germany

Tracking information: “The shipment carrier doesn’t have the tracking information in their system yet.”

I guess it never has been shipped, and never will.

Smile, you cannot kill them all.

xevious
xevious's picture
Offline
Last seen: 7 hours 3 min ago
Joined: 02/27/2013 - 21:55
Posts: 1868
Location: Hoboken, NJ USA

jon_slider wrote:
E21a works in a Tool Smile
some great LEDs from virence.com


That 3500k E21a looks terrific! A little warm side of neutral. Just about perfect.
jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment

xevious wrote:
That 3500k E21a looks terrific! A little warm side of neutral. Just about perfect.

thanks!
I really like 3500k in the evening. E21a has exceptional Red Rendering… better than my 219b options..

Im very fortunate to have some great choices:

buck91
buck91's picture
Offline
Last seen: 21 hours 46 min ago
Joined: 07/29/2016 - 08:21
Posts: 420
Location: Michigan

Replacement showed up today. I had returned a new and unopened xpg3 model and they sent back lightly used, very much opened xpg3 model. Good try drop CS but kind of a fail.

Still for $10 not bad! Thinking about trying out one of the high cri xpg3 if I can find a reasonable source for a neutral tint

jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment

buck91 wrote:
Replacement showed up today. I had returned a new and unopened xpg3 model and they sent back lightly used, very much opened xpg3 model. Good try drop CS but kind of a fail.

Still for $10 not bad! Thinking about trying out one of the high cri xpg3 if I can find a reasonable source for a neutral tint

you have a very good attitude!
drop totally screwed this deal up.. but the Cu Tool is still a great host!

imo the xpg3 has terrible tint shift across the beam. I would only consider using it in a light with a diffusion TiR

imnsho the better option would be a 219b… you can get 4000k 9080, among other options
3000k sw30 d180 L2 r9080
3500k sw35 d200 L2 r9080
4000k sw40 d220 L2 r9080
4500k sw45k d220 L2 r9080

Photonica
Photonica's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 days 15 hours ago
Joined: 09/20/2019 - 10:10
Posts: 346
Location: Midwest USA

Got mine. I was travelling, so my SO got the mail. She opened the outer package, saw a sealed plastic bag with the light.
When I got back, I said, “Look Honey, I got you a classy nightstand light!”

That look when she sets the unopened package on her nightstand.

More Photons!

buck91
buck91's picture
Offline
Last seen: 21 hours 46 min ago
Joined: 07/29/2016 - 08:21
Posts: 420
Location: Michigan

jon_slider wrote:
buck91 wrote:
Replacement showed up today. I had returned a new and unopened xpg3 model and they sent back lightly used, very much opened xpg3 model. Good try drop CS but kind of a fail.

Still for $10 not bad! Thinking about trying out one of the high cri xpg3 if I can find a reasonable source for a neutral tint

you have a very good attitude!
drop totally screwed this deal up.. but the Cu Tool is still a great host!

imo the xpg3 has terrible tint shift across the beam. I would only consider using it in a light with a diffusion TiR

imnsho the better option would be a 219b… you can get 4000k 9080, among other options
3000k sw30 d180 L2 r9080
3500k sw35 d200 L2 r9080
4000k sw40 d220 L2 r9080
4500k sw45k d220 L2 r9080

Yes super tempted by that option! I’d like to try the xpg3 just… well because. And it theoretically should offer better efficiency.

I do love the 219 in my ti tool (and others) just wish that we could get more efficiency in a small die high cri.

jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment

buck91 wrote:
just wish that we could get more efficiency

true, the xp-g3 that came in my Cu Tool made 120 lumens of Low CRI, green tinted light, with a Yellow corona.

High CRI costs lumens:

81 lumens 219c 4000k, Maratac

71 lumens 351d, Black tool w TiR

70 lumens sw45k, Cu Tool w eSwitch

but I just about never use the maximum mode on my tools, that only lasts about 30 minutes.. If I need 100+ lumens, I use a 16340 light, not an AAA

and btw, the High mode on the Tool (and most other lights) is not regulated, it falls off rapidly… whereas the low and medium are well regulated.

lumenzilla
lumenzilla's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 days 21 hours ago
Joined: 06/09/2015 - 04:18
Posts: 840
Location: Java

Anyone managed to open the pill out of the copper tool AAA drop.com’s edition?
It seems to be glued, I couldn’t open it using my pointy tweezer.
Any advise?

jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment

lumenzilla wrote:
Anyone managed to open the pill out of the copper tool AAA drop.com’s edition?

yes
I got the pill out.. after soaking the head in a cup of boiled water for 5 minutes.
you can see the glue remaining in the head:

I broke the wires and damaged the mcpcb solder pads….
fixed it, as described in the posts above.

Yes I know another modder that got his drop tool open, and also experienced broken wires and torn solder pads on the mcpcb.. And yes, he repaired the damages and the light is working.

wle
wle's picture
Offline
Last seen: 13 hours 13 min ago
Joined: 01/07/2015 - 13:49
Posts: 1960
Location: atlanta ga

huh
must be silicone based adhesive or cyanoacrylate

wle

"You never have the wind with you - it's either against you, or you're having a good day."
    Daniel Behrman, "The Man Who Loved Bicycles".
It never gets easy, you just go faster.   
-Greg Lemond.
       ,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¸

moderator007
moderator007's picture
Offline
Last seen: 7 hours 43 min ago
Joined: 12/23/2012 - 04:47
Posts: 3717
Location: North Carolina

jon_slider wrote:

Yes I know another modder that got his drop tool open, and also experienced broken wires and torn solder pads on the mcpcb.. And yes, he repaired the damages and the light is working.


Yelp, that was me. Big Smile
I tried hot air several times and still the pill wouldn’t budge. Glued to high heaven Sad .
Replacing the wires is no biggie, but I managed to rip the negative led wire pad off the driver while turning the driver round and round trying to get the wires to break free in the pill. I probed the board and figured out where all the connection points where for the high, med, and low resistors. Low wasn’t effected in the destruction but med had to repostioned and soldered. The high resistor is not needed using a AAA battery. Soldered the led negative wire back to the fet drain and bridge to the fb pin of the PAM2803 and bridge to the end of the med resistor. Sounds hard but there all in almost the same spot, just requires a good solder blob making all three connections. If anyone manges to rip the negative pad off PM me and I’ll try to guide you through the process.
.
Rethinking what I did and trying to think of a solution to keep the pad intact. Doing it again, I would turn the driver about half a circle then go back around about a full circle, repeating this several, several times trying to fatigue the wire to its breaking point and hopefully not the pad. Or if you have enough slack in the wires try to get the board sideways to cut the wires without doing any twisting.
.
Twisting the board around and around caused the wires to twist up and pull harder and harder on the pad until it came off. More less I braided the wires and made them stronger Facepalm . I wouldn’t try this way, FAIL!
.
None of the other Tools I have opened were glued this bad. Most came out with a little heat, some had no glue at all.
If all goes well with the pads intact, its easy to mod. But if you fail be prepared to solder 0402 sized resistors Wink .
jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment
moderator007 wrote:
I managed to rip the negative led wire pad off the driver

youve got Skills!

I only managed to rip a solder pad off the mcpcb, no damage to the driver…

I dont have any 10mm replacement xp mcpcb, but was happy to use Clemences 10mm board w E21a 3500k.. Im Loving My Warm High CRI Tool! lol

If I had your skills, I would figure out how to change the driver to MLH… as it is I always have to click 3x to get useful light (medium is 14 lumens) for the majority of my tasks

some details about mcpcb
stock tool mcpcb is 1 mm thick
there are replacements available, but they are 1.5mm thick.
Using these will create a gap between the head and body.

That gap happens to fit the Preon Clip nicely, so the Tool can be a CapLamp… (note the direction of the pocket clips)

if I try the Preon clip under the head of a stock eTool, the light wont turn on. (needs a contact between the pill and end of body tube, can be a piece of paperclip wire)

Note I dont use the clip for clipped pocket carry.. too much of the light sticks out above the clip. I carry the light completely inside my pocket. I just like the clip as an antiroll, and HatLamp option.

observation about body symmetry
when I want to swap the clip from bezel up to bezel down, I find I can just flip the body, instead of pulling the clip over the oring to move it to the other end.

some impressions about the eSwitch
I find the latest eSwitch requires about 800 grams of force to operate. This likely makes it less prone to turning on in pocket.

otoh, I have a Massdrop Cu Tool from a previous run, and the eSwitch only requires about 300 grams of pressure. I prefer this, so I have legoed the switches.

Choices are good Smile

argolite
Offline
Last seen: 14 hours 40 min ago
Joined: 09/18/2014 - 15:38
Posts: 384
Location: Canada

jon_slider wrote:

some impressions about the eSwitch
I find the latest eSwitch requires about 800 grams of force to operate. This likely makes it less prone to turning on in pocket.

otoh, I have a Massdrop Cu Tool from a previous run, and the eSwitch only requires about 300 grams of pressure.


Good to know. I just measured my latest eSwitch at 725 gf to actuate.
lumenzilla
lumenzilla's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 days 21 hours ago
Joined: 06/09/2015 - 04:18
Posts: 840
Location: Java
jon_slider wrote:
yes I got the pill out.. after soaking the head in a cup of boiled water for 5 minutes. you can see the glue remaining in the head:

Thank you!
I will try the hot water method and replace the LED with Nichia Optisolis from Clemence.

moderator007
moderator007's picture
Offline
Last seen: 7 hours 43 min ago
Joined: 12/23/2012 - 04:47
Posts: 3717
Location: North Carolina

lumenzilla wrote:

I will try the hot water method and replace the LED with Nichia Optisolis from Clemence.

If you can reflow a led then any 3535 led can be reflowed on the original board.
If you dont want to try that then Clemence has you covered Thumbs Up .
jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment

Safe arrival of another Cu Tool aaa w xp-g3

As expected, when I first inserted an eneloop it only made 1 lumen on all 3 modes.

After 1 hour with the battery in the light there are now 3 modes
I’m getting 4 lumens, 30 lumens and 130 lumens.

This switch measures about 600 grams activation pressure, I like it. It gives clear feedback when it clicks.

.

switch trivia
The first drop tool I got has (had) a stiffer switch, that triggers around 800 grams pressure, with no clear click feedback. Individual variation..

update

I just disassembled the switch and put it back together with the rubber pad correctly seated under the button. The activation pressure is now about 450 grams, with clear click feedback.

Im very happy I was successful at not screwing anything up Smile

.

battery trivia
I get 50% higher output from one of my Eneloop, than from each of two of my eneloop pro. This tells me my eneloops are no longer working as well as they did when I got them new about 3 years ago.

I think I will order some new AAA Eneloops.. have not looked around yet..

if anyone has an opinion
I request a link to the AAA Eneloop deal of the day …

.

size evolution
OldSchool AA and NewSchool AAA:

moderator007
moderator007's picture
Offline
Last seen: 7 hours 43 min ago
Joined: 12/23/2012 - 04:47
Posts: 3717
Location: North Carolina

A week or so ago when I went looking for eneloop’s the best deal I found was at Ikea.
The LADDA 900’s and 2450’s are supposed to be eneloop pro’s.
There a little slow to ship but if you order enough 4 packs it comes out cheaper.
.
I have had my switchs out several times and never noticed much difference but tonight I did notice that one seemed stiff.
I’ll try your method to see if I can improve the pressure and feel. I think I may even do a little filing and polishing.
Always liked the smooth look of this one. http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1122947#comment-1122947

jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment

thanks for the Ikea suggestion

I decided not to pay for shipping, and ordered from China.. should have them sometime next year.. LOL

I chose regular Eneloop, not the Pro, because my Pro eneloops have lost half their output, while my regular Eneloop still have full output.

I dont own an analyzing charger, so not sure how the two compare in terms of capacity now, after 3 years of use. On my light meter, I do see a huge difference in lumen output, between the Pro and the Regular, and the Regular is Much better.

Anyone have a suggestion for a compact, USB powered charger, that can test both eneloop and LiIon capacity? I only need to charge one battery at a time, no need for 4 bays… smaller is cuter.

.

Trivia
I received a Ti Maratac AAA w XP-G3. It is MLH and otherwise has similar output and runtime as the drop Tool,

and they Lego:

I have requested return authorization for the Ti Maratac, because it skips modes badly. It also has some of the roughest, most abrasive knurling Ive felt yet.

The Ti Maratac threads are predictably gritty, despite my best efforts testing 3 specialty lubes:

1. Krytox 205. Its creamy white looks promising, as does its teflon content, but it is too thin to mask the gritty Ti Threads.

2. Nyogel 767a. Too thick and sticky, makes it hard to turn the head with one hand, and still feels gritty.

3. Munky Spunk. Decently thick and reasonably smooth action, but still failed to completely mask the gritty threads, even after working it in to try and wear polish the threads.

I much prefer my Copper Tools. I use Nano Oil on the O rings and threads.

ValuseekeR
Offline
Last seen: 2 months 2 weeks ago
Joined: 12/01/2012 - 13:18
Posts: 368
Location: USA

Well, the Cree Tool made a nice Christmas gift for a family member. Thumbs Up

Hope another Cu AAA with Nichia comes along sometime soon. Back to just the Reylight Mini for now. (My daughter claimed the first Nichia Cu Tool I bought as soon as it arrived lol.)

Muto
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 53 min ago
Joined: 09/04/2012 - 16:42
Posts: 2457
Location: Southeast, PA

jon_slider wrote:
thanks for the Ikea suggestion

I decided not to pay for shipping, and ordered from China.. should have them sometime next year.. LOL

I chose regular Eneloop, not the Pro, because my Pro eneloops have lost half their output, while my regular Eneloop still have full output.

I dont own an analyzing charger, so not sure how the two compare in terms of capacity now, after 3 years of use. On my light meter, I do see a huge difference in lumen output, between the Pro and the Regular, and the Regular is Much better.

Anyone have a suggestion for a compact, USB powered charger, that can test both eneloop and LiIon capacity? I only need to charge one battery at a time, no need for 4 bays… smaller is cuter.

.

Trivia
I received a Ti Maratac AAA w XP-G3. It is MLH and otherwise has similar output and runtime as the drop Tool,

and they Lego:

I have requested return authorization for the Ti Maratac, because it skips modes badly. It also has some of the roughest, most abrasive knurling Ive felt yet.

The Ti Maratac threads are predictably gritty, despite my best efforts testing 3 specialty lubes:

1. Krytox 205. Its creamy white looks promising, as does its teflon content, but it is too thin to mask the gritty Ti Threads.

2. Nyogel 767a. Too thick and sticky, makes it hard to turn the head with one hand, and still feels gritty.

3. Munky Spunk. Decently thick and reasonably smooth action, but still failed to completely mask the gritty threads, even after working it in to try and wear polish the threads.

I much prefer my Copper Tools. I use Nano Oil on the O rings and threads.

Can’t you just hit that Ti with some fine emory cloth to chill out the knurling? I mean I know you use your flashlights and appreciate the patina, so why not accelerate the wear pattern a little?

Also maybe take a fine wire brush across the threads to take away some micro burrs maybe.
Just a thought.
Later,

Keith

“History doesn’t repeat itself, but it sometimes rhymes,” Mark Twain

After the Apocalypse there will be only 2 things left alive, Cockroaches and Keith Richards

“You’ll develop like a herd mentality,”
“It’s gonna be herd-developed and that’s gonna happen.”

Yep it already happened

lumenzilla
lumenzilla's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 days 21 hours ago
Joined: 06/09/2015 - 04:18
Posts: 840
Location: Java

Last night I managed to open the pil with boiling water method. Replaced the LED with Nichia Optisolis and TIR optic from Clemence with a bit tweaking.

Sorry no picture. My phone is broken and awaiting for replacement.

jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment

ValuseekeR wrote:
My daughter claimed the first Nichia Cu Tool I bought as soon as it arrived lol.
daddy didnt raise no fool Wink

.

lumenzilla wrote:
Replaced the LED with Nichia Optisolis and TIR optic from Clemence
Sweet!
congrats
what CCT?
like the Tir Idea!
glad it works on the longer head

Cereal_killer
Cereal_killer's picture
Offline
Last seen: 9 months 3 weeks ago
Joined: 07/22/2013 - 13:10
Posts: 4005
Location: Ohio

@Jon_Slider WOW that 3500k e21a is great! I’ll be getting some of those for sure!

3500k should be my preferred cct but till now I’ve been let down by tint in other emitters I’ve tried, the e21a looks perfectly white in that comparison, how is it in real life?

 RIP  SPC Joey Riley, KIA 11/24/14. Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.

jon_slider
jon_slider's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 09/08/2015 - 12:20
Posts: 3583
Location: The Land of Enchantment

Cereal_killer wrote:
how is it in real life?

I really like the 3500k e21a, when my brain is white balanced to incandescent (3000k). At that white balance the 3500k does look white, as in this picture

I tried a few N219b 3500k 9080, and they shed more of a yellow cast over everthing. The e21a shows crisper reds and blues. It is my personal favorite 3500k LED, with an emphasis on High R9 CRI.

in all fairness though, there are times when my brain is whitebalanced to daylight, and then the 3500k is not my preference, because it looks warmer (oranger), than daylight.

this photo attempts to show the effect of daylight white balance, and reveals that the 3500k is a warmer white than daylight.
6000k XM-L2 on left, 3500k e21a on right (same light that looks “whiter” above)

so in my real life, I love the e21a at night, and still rely on sw45k for daytime edc, because it is “whiter”, at that time of day. In the evening sw45k can be unnecessarily cool (blue).

cyclops
Offline
Last seen: 6 days 21 hours ago
Joined: 01/17/2013 - 16:33
Posts: 209
Location: USA

ValuseekeR wrote:
Well, the Cree Tool made a nice Christmas gift for a family member. Thumbs Up

Hope another Cu AAA with Nichia comes along sometime soon. Back to just the Reylight Mini for now. (My daughter claimed the first Nichia Cu Tool I bought as soon as it arrived lol.)

I see that the Brass tool with Nichia is available for preorder now.

Pages