Li-ion cells: DON'T BUY THEM, DON'T SELL THEM, STAY SAFE!

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Li-ion cells: DON'T BUY THEM, DON'T SELL THEM, STAY SAFE!

The majority of your flashlights are dangerous. Any device that requires you to handle cells is dangerous!

This message brought to you by LG:
http://www.staysafebattery.com/en/

I’m sold. Where do I get rid of all these cells?

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Feel free to send them to me.

LG is getting sued by people who did dumb things with batteries. Part of their defense strategy is that they don’t intend them for consumer use. It’s a bit over the top, but their longer video does make a reasonable point: putting an 18650 with a damaged wrapper in your pocket with your keys is quite dangerous. If their recommendation was to not use cells with damaged wrappers, and not put loose cells in your pocket, it would be good advice.

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I’m sure the LG corporate attorneys had something to do with that presentation. If you want to dispose of Li-ion Cells, you can take them to a recycling center. [I’m not saying they are actually recycled there]. Computer equipment retailers often can dispose of them.

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LiIon batteries are dangerous, but I doubt they are as dangerous as a car (It kills lots of people each year).
As always it is a question about knowing the dangers and how to deal with them. In a car you do not drive fast on the wrong side of the road, with a LiIon battery you do not short it, overcharge it, draw too much current or charge a damaged battery (In both cases there are more dangers). And in both cases it is a good idea to stay away from offers that are too good to be true.

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I don’t believe there is anyone currently recycling lithium ion batteries in the US, other than the DOE’s 20 million dollar test facility. It’s much cheaper to incinerate them, or put them in the landfill for now. Lithium ion cells contain no lithium metal, rather a lithium salt (LiPF6 and LiBF4) in the electrolyte.

You can kill lithium ion cells by putting them in a bucket of salt water (brine) for a day or two outdoors. Don’t confuse lithium batteries with lithium ion. Lithium batteries contain lithium metal and will react with water and create hydrogen. And we all know what happened to the Hindenburg.

According to the U.S. government, lithium ion batteries aren’t an environmental hazard. “Lithium Ion batteries are classified by the federal government as non-hazardous waste and are safe for disposal in the normal municipal waste stream,” says Kate Krebs at the National Recycling Coalition. While other types of batteries include toxic metals such as cadmium, the metals in lithium ion batteries – cobalt, copper, nickel and iron – are considered safe for landfills or incinerators (Interestingly enough, lithium ion batteries contain an ionic form of lithium but no lithium metal)

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Oh please! What kind of stupid is putting any battery in a pocket? They had the paranoia right down to the woman's voice!

Don't buy into the neurosis. You won't be in the high power flashlight hobby if you do.

I personally: don't leave chargers (or much of anything else electrical) unattended. 2. don't overdischarge. 3. for multi cell lights keep the batteries married for that light. I'v taken to marking them with the light and month of purchase. 4) mechanically lock out my lights when unattended or (depends on switch) when it goes in a pocket, since I don't want burntballs!

And last: Don't buy junk. Stick with recommendations here and buy good cells. If you buy from a reputable U.S. (hint) dealer he'll recommend the best batteries for the particular light. Almost everyone will agree that the Samsung 30q's are good, and they are. My lights definitely fly higher, faster and farther with them. 

Hope this helps.

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People do put batteries in their pockets. That’s why LG is getting sued. All of them I know about have been vapers. Sometimes people think things that aren’t true, like the presence of a protection circuit makes it safe to put loose batteries in a pocket (anything scratching through the wrapper bypasses the protection circuit).

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dorpmuller wrote:

Oh please! What kind of stupid is putting any battery in a pocket?

Unless you don’t get out much you would see all kinds of stupid. Big Smile I imagine one doesn’t have to travel more than 5 minutes away from the house before you spot stupid. It’s easy to spot. They usually have a existing injury or are about to get one. Walmart seem to be the club they all belong to.

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toddcshoe wrote:
dorpmuller wrote:

Oh please! What kind of stupid is putting any battery in a pocket?

Unless you don’t get out much you would see all kinds of stupid. Big Smile I imagine one doesn’t have to travel more than 5 minutes away from the house before you spot stupid. It’s easy to spot. They usually have a existing injury or are about to get one. Walmart seem to be the club they all belong to.


And when something bad does happen, they can’t remember the phone number for the national emergency hotline (911).
Had it happen, “please call 911”. “what’s the number, what’s the number” speaking in a frantic voice. Shocked Facepalm
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How to dispose of them? Give them away to a BLFer in need. Wink

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HKJ wrote:
LiIon batteries are dangerous, but I doubt they are as dangerous as a car (It kills lots of people each year). As always it is a question about knowing the dangers and how to deal with them. In a car you do not drive fast on the wrong side of the road, with a LiIon battery you do not short it, overcharge it, draw too much current or charge a damaged battery .

 

Sometimes I do ....

 

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zak.wilson wrote:
People do put batteries in their pockets. That’s why LG is getting sued. All of them I know about have been vapers. Sometimes people think things that aren’t true, like the presence of a protection circuit makes it safe to put loose batteries in a pocket (anything scratching through the wrapper bypasses the protection circuit).

If you could fit car battery in your pocket, yep someone would do that too. Facepalm

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For pocket carry, but still no keys in the same pocket Evil

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Or how about these?

Then you can put your batteries and your keys in the same pocket.

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Methinks OP forgot to engage SARCASM FONT

 

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raccoon city wrote:

Or how about these?


Then you can put your batteries and your keys in the same pocket.


hard_plastic_case_18650

I dont like how those rattle without some kind of padding. Easy to fix though.

Thyrms CellVault XL is kinda nice, but price is a bit too much and again padding needed if you dont want to rattle around.
If only Storacell would make 2×18650 carrier then that would be kinda must for me.

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Looks like it is back to candles and carbide

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Those clear plastic cell holders pop open too easy and are not water proof. I have some Delrin cell carriers with a screw on top that are virtually water proof, countycomm.com carries them. I’ve also made my own from clear polycarbonate. This is the ONLY way a Li-ion cell goes in my pocket, seriously protected. (I do have a spare 10440 on my keychain, in a custom made Titanium and Copper battery bunker made by Photon Fanatic… it is for the Texas Poker I’ve had around my neck for almost 7 years, also by Photon Fanatic, and yes, the battery bunker has had a live cell in it on my keychain in my pocket for 7 years as well)

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trade house fires and acetylene gas explosions for venting with flame.

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Looks like it is back to candles and carbide
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This is not a problem for me. All of my flashlight batteries are made from a couple of coins and a fresh lemon. Cool

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carry a spare battery in a nifty protected housing called ....another flashlight . I know it's an outrageous thought !!

 If you're careless, lazy and foolish you deserve a good pocket fire to remind you that you're screwing up.

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grin wrote:
Looks like it is back to candles and carbide

yes i guess.. back to carbide and safe acetylene explosive gas, burning wax making fire for light.. and burning oil for light fire… we have to toss all our LiIon cells because they are BAD.

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Common Sense. and stupidity….

Ne-er the same shall mix.

A staement fron the 1700’s That still holds today.
99.8% of us have been using these battery’s for decades.

Ignore it and keep on. keeping on.
They are as safe as YOUR intelligence.

There have always been people with nothing between their ears.
and always will be.

Just hope you’re not one of them hey….

Chuckle.

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People do put batteries in their pockets. …. All of them I know about have been vapers.

Darwin Award candidates.

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On another flashlight forum I’ve seen a photo 3rd degree burn caused by 18650 in a pocket. I’m thankful for the person who’ve showed it – a good reminder to be careful.

This stuff is dangerous. But if you treat it with the care it deserves it’s not too dangerous.

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As if the fellow which started the thread is at all listening. Rando is acting like a scarecrow and you/we are like pigeons commenting on the move. Wake up people! Waste no time and keep pecking LoL.

This is a same class thread as the LG video threatening fines and jail time for consumers using their cells. Threads like this need to be ignored or binned, they're really serving no good purpose.

If you, like me, want to continue using li-ion batteries and/or industrial power products what you must do is to continue believing in your right for it to be so vehemently (asking God and/or whatever higher power you believe in). Be responsible, never blame others for your whatever mistakes, and avoid blunders.

Here's a video from Mooch found in Minding Your mAhs Ep026 – Samsung (round) batteries aren’t safe anymore? @ ECF, looks like Samsung is also setting some oversized fine print on their cell wraps:

 

 

I took a peek at it, couldn't understand most of what he said. If someone thinks something's worth being mentioned, do so please.

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