Just to end I would like to be clear that all I’m saying is that some people like a built in pack, that’s all. If I have the choice, I avoid them. For my new DJI RSC2 gimbal I just purchased, it has a built in battery which is not amazing, but that’s one of the reasons I have a $300 kweld spot welder, so I can replace it myself, if needed.
I have an online business selling flashlights and you wouldn’t believe how many muggles love to not worry about batteries. They’re happy to buy another pack and away they go. LED Lenser are New Zealand’s number one brand and most use a propriety pack, yet they’re always recommended despite this.
but it requires you to have the skills. Same is true for the pack. Its more involved than swapping a cellphone battery, but it is as doable if you got the skills and tools.
The common muggle will neither replace his cellphone battery nor the cells in a pack like this one.
I’m not buying any light with a battery pack. The battery pack is the first thing that breaks and wears out. Also I use the same set of batteries in multiple lights, why buy new batteries with every light?
That’s all fine and dandy. Raccoon missed my point.
I wasn’t basing my thoughts on users on the forum, but more as a whole for anyone. It’s a forum after all, to discuss and share different things.
If I had the option I would go for user replaceable cells for sure, but if I really wanted X model and there wasn’t another option, I would still buy it.
The battery pack for the x50 is $150 to replace. And this one has more cells.
Acebeam, if you're going to make lights with proprietary pack, could you at least consider using enough cells to offer some kind of performance? With only 4 21700s, the pack will dip so low that the batteries appear to be nearly completely discharged. And after the first turbo cycle, reactivation won't give 80,000 again. It's not possible. Why can't there be an option for an 8x 21700 pack or even a 12 x 21700. With this configuration, you won't be able to use turbo at all if you want useable run time.
I'm a huge fan of your lights. I own two x70s because I feel as though it was one of the best thought out high lumen lights in terms of it's size, thermals, and battery configuration. I'd really love to see more large format lights like it, with an impressive turbo, high sustainable output, and most importantly enough battery life for extended use. EDC lights are meant to be small, but there's no reason to minimize the size of a 30k plus light. It will never be small enough for EDC anyways and you only get compromises. I was looking forward to this light but unfortunately I can't buy it because it isn't useful when the x70 was a much better light.
What’s the highest lumen model available that doesn’t have a proprietary pack? Could there be a concern for safety here, by not risking a muggle using low amp cells in such a high output model.
Imalent has a battery pack also for their beast.
These brands surely don’t want warranty claims at the fault of the user
There is definitely a concern for safety. I'm one of the few people that is seemingly okay with packs in lights, but only if they're designed to offer performance good enough that I won't need to charge it for extended use. Ideally, it should be designed in excess of a light with replaceable cells so the pack never feels like the limiting factor.
When you use a pack in a light, you can include a BMS (battery management system) that monitors the voltage of each cell and is able to shut the light down as soon as even one reaches it's minimum. Cells are never consistent and without a BMS in series lights, the problem will keep getting worse each time you use it because the cell will continuously be drained below it's minimum voltage and this damaged. After charging, this damaged cell is more likely to heat up and possibly even vent inside the light.
A BMS also makes sure that cells aren't overcharged by effectively charging each on individually. Again, this prevents damage or in this case overcharging which in and of itself could be a problem.
Personally, I would like to see Acebeam design a light that used a pack with a BMS, but which had user serviceable cells that could be replaced when they go bad. Even better if you could cheaply buy a second empty one to put your own cells in. I like the idea of swapping entire packs instead of trying to load in 12 batteries in the dark, but first they need to be user serviceable. The fact that they aren't seems to indicate some other motives.