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Who do ALL of the descriptions EXCEPT on tmart’s website say: “Circuitry: Digital Regulated 2300mA Current Output”

For SURE these different websites MUST be using different drivers, or something!!!

I guess I’ll just order the black one from tmart to be sure Sad http://www.tmart.com/UItraFire-CREE-XMLT6-8W-1300-Lumen-5-Mode-LED-Flashlight-Black_p135768.html

I sure hope she pulls 4amps at least!

-Jamie M.

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Ubehebe wrote:
Hi everyone:

Thanks for checking batts. It’s definitely a shutdown of some kind. Nothing’s loose. Either the light is doing it (suspected) or the battery (maybe). 18650 Xtars, some flamers, all unprotected (sanyo, sony, panasonic, moli) work just dandy, but some flamers just shut off after about 10 seconds. Not the end of the world. I also have a Trustfire 5 q5 1500L that is also very picky. It’ll cycle to blinky if it gets a batt it doesn’t like. As I said, I think it has something to do with slight overcharging. Batts at 4.16-4.20 volts or so seem to trigger the shut down, or maybe there’s just not enough power in the batteries in question. I agree with whoever suggested that the 26650 would solve the prob. They’re on the way. In the meantime, I have set aside some batts that aren’t 2010 compatible. They also seem to be the ones that the 1500l doesn’t like.

Unlike the 1500L, however, it doesn’t step to a lower power, she just shuts off. If I quickly switch to a lower power, everything is fine. Looks like the flamers in question don’t have the power. Probably an AA eneloop packed in a fake trustfire flame masquerading as a real flamer..

Once again, thanks everyone. At least now I know I am the only one having this problem, which is pretty typical for me :-0

When the cell voltage is higher, that causes the LED to draw higher current, which trips the protection circuit. If your cells were more depleted, or had higher internal resistance (from being old or cold), the current would be lower and the protection would not need to kick in. It’s not your light, it’s your cells. If you really want to use those cells in that light, you might be able to if you just don’t put them in hot off the charger. Put them in when their open voltage is lower (“condition them” for use this light by taking down their charge a bit in another light) and I’ll bet you find the protection doesn’t kick in and kill the circuit. You could also try adding some resistance to the circuit (oxidize the tailspring and or the threads a bit for example).

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toysareforboys wrote:
Who do ALL of the descriptions EXCEPT on tmart’s website say: “Circuitry: Digital Regulated 2300mA Current Output”

For SURE these different websites MUST be using different drivers, or something!!!

I guess I’ll just order the black one from tmart to be sure Sad http://www.tmart.com/UItraFire-CREE-XMLT6-8W-1300-Lumen-5-Mode-LED-Flashlight-Black_p135768.html

I sure hope she pulls 4amps at least!

-Jamie M.


I just got the gray HD2010 from T-Mart, it pulls 4.20A on a TF 3000 flame. I tried a old blue TF 2500 and only got 2.8A —- brightness seems pretty good on either. I still need some 26650 batts, I’ll probably get the flames from M/F. The T/M 2010 is quite a thrower and T-Mart got it to NW Wa. fast.
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2 DOGS wrote:
I just got the gray HD2010 from T-Mart, it pulls 4.20A on a TF 3000 flame. I tried a old blue TF 2500 and only got 2.8A —- brightness seems pretty good on either. I still need some 26650 batts, I’ll probably get the flames from M/F. The T/M 2010 is quite a thrower and T-Mart got it to NW Wa. fast.
Sweet!

My flashlight builder buddie says it’s current regulated in every mode except high, where it’s direct drive Smile So WOOT!

I’ll order some up for the times my friends need a thrower!

For the other times, it’s the Poppas W-878 26650 zoomie Smile

For my EDC… oh boy, just you wait!!! It’s a surprise Big Smile

-Jamie M.

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I liked mine from T-Mart so much I just ordered a 2nd one. Very nice light.

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

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I liked mine from T-Mart so much I just ordered a 2nd one. Very nice light.

There are quiet a few of you guys out there that one is not enough. I just dont understand it. Some people have three and even four of the same thing. Why? Why? Why? You can only use one at a time. Do you all have more money than sense? No wonder women get so mad with there men, why do you need more than one of the same thing they ask. What do you shrug your shoulders to justify it? This is doing our reputation no good. You must all stop it now I say.

 

Yeah, I bought another last week to. Who cares about our reputation. Cheers all.

 

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trooplewis wrote:
I liked mine from T-Mart so much I just ordered a 2nd one. Very nice light.

There are quiet a few of you guys out there that one is not enough. I just dont understand it. Some people have three and even four of the same thing. Why? Why? Why? You can only use one at a time. Do you all have more money than sense? No wonder women get so mad with there men, why do you need more than one of the same thing they ask. What do you shrug your shoulders to justify it? This is doing our reputation no good. You must all stop it now I say.

 

Yeah, I bought another last week to. Who cares about our reputation. Cheers all.

I probably have roughly as many lights as the Mrs. has shoes – and her shoes eventually wear out and get discarded, whereas my lights continue to serve. Conscience clear.

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Hahaha, veeeery nice reply on that one, tech :bigsmile: :bigsmile:

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You have a lot to answer for. My sanity for one. I still have it, thanks.  I dont own a solarforce host yet but have more than a few dropins that have no home though. Is there still hope? Wink  We all need lots of double up on flashlights.

Edit. I have plans for the new arrival.

 

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Has anyone determined the cause of the lower current readings in their HD2010 yet? Seems to most likely be our cells, but I haven’t been able to break 4A with my TFF 18650s (less than 3A) or my Solarforce V3 2600 (3.7A). I am topping off one of each of these to try again – and my new DMM is pretty cheap – so I can’t say for sure that I am getting accurate measurements anyway.

Everyone seems to have the same East 092 driver in their HD2010, so I’m thinking it has to be the variance in all the cells out there…

Regardless, I’m still pleased as hell with this torch.

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JaffoAZ wrote:
… my new DMM is pretty cheap – so I can’t say for sure that I am getting accurate measurements anyway.

and it’s a big problem for high currents measurements. Anyway, 3.7A is a really nice current @HI.

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True. If it’s an accurate measurement, I’ll get high performance with better run times with a 18650 at least, until I get my 26650s. Smile

BUT, the detective in me still wants someone to help solve the mystery – the inconsistent current readings from so many HD2010 owners has me a bit worried about possible variation with the East 092 drivers. Sure, our 18650s are all going to be a tad different, but while TFFs (if real) and SF V3s are proven li-ions in general, they aren’t high-end 18650s. And many out there with lower amp measurements surely have a better DMM and leads than I have. Johnny Mac got 3.5A with TFFs, and Foy got 4+ with SF cells. One of them – I can’t remember who at the moment – got their HD from TMart, as did I. From what I have read, it doesn’t matter. They all have the East 092 driver.

All in all, it really doesn’t matter that much. The HD is obviously a bad ass, regardless of top current readings at the tailcap. I’m just a curious newb trying to educate myself and having a ton of fun doing it. Smile

Thanks again to all. I love this place.

JAFFO

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My HD is still “on the way” :bigsmile: I’ll be very happy if mine will do 3.5A with my TF black/flame Silly I get 2.5-2.7A with MF UF 3 mode drop-in.
Anyway, can be dozen of things: diff batch of cells, diff batch of drivers, bad soldering, cheap DMM, cheap leads…

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Hahaha! You are totally right.

What is it about us torch freaks that makes us want to push our poor little XM-L emitters to their very limits? If we’re doing a good 3.5A with an HD2010, isn’t that like 700 lumens in an XM-L T6?

If we hit closer to 900LM at near 5A with a 26650, I would hope we’d notice a difference. But really – is it useful difference? Do I really need to prove the XM-L will do the 1100LM limit it’s been tested at? No. Haha. This HD2010 doesn’t more than it needs to, and direct drive is inefficient when it comes to 5 amps anyway. I am learning that a well managed driver is more important because it also supports better run times.

It’s hilarious, because as much as I love this torch, I can’t even imagine a practical need for it to be brighter than it already is. I mean, the WOW factor and impressing my friends can be accomplished with my SF L2T, and lately the TF Mini-01.

I know that there’s so many on BLF who actually USE their lights on a regular basis for work or whatever. But it seems the addicts end up with so much more than they’ll ever use – and I already have, just in the last couple months. The HD is the pinnacle marker of this sickness. I had a few staple torches, and I needed a dedicated thrower. Didn’t I?

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Match did a graph a while back that clearly showed minimal gains above around 3.5 amps for an XM-L so, you're right, this is just for fun.

Speaking of which, I just tested mine again on my Sinometer and it shoots up to 5.20 and then settles down somewhat at about 5.0 amps. (King Kong XSL)  If I touch the end edge of the flashlight body with the side of the positive lead and press as gently as possible against the battery with the other, I can get it to read 4.80.  What a monster.

 

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Hmmm….
Thinking of getting to 26650 train.
Seems like a good replacement for a 2 × 18650 thrower without giving up all runtime.

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trooplewis wrote:
I liked mine from T-Mart so much I just ordered a 2nd one. Very nice light.

There are quiet a few of you guys out there that one is not enough. I just dont understand it. Some people have three and even four of the same thing. Why? Why? Why? You can only use one at a time. Do you all have more money than sense? No wonder women get so mad with there men, why do you need more than one of the same thing they ask. What do you shrug your shoulders to justify it? This is doing our reputation no good. You must all stop it now I say.

 

Yeah, I bought another last week to. Who cares about our reputation. Cheers all.

Well I thought I had another on order. DD told me a week ago that it was ready to ship after I had not heard anything after ordering it. After speaking to them again tonight there is no flashlight in stock to send out. I hope to get a refund in the next couple of days. On speaking to Tmart they are also out of stock. Anyone know who has them in stock under $35.00? Thanks.

 

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I think alot of the differances in tailcap current measurments are probably due to three things since the east driver is direct in high.The type and quality of the cells used, the brand of DVOM and quility of the leads, and how hard the +p spring is compressed. I, and others have seen a BIG change in current while compressing the driver spring. As for explaining to our wifes why we must have two of the same flaslight, I just tell her I have two hands, you(the wife) have two ……, why not two flashlights to keep my hands off your……..!I don’t think she will bother me about flashlights ever again!!!!-Rick
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There are 2 different drivers. EAST092 and EAST092B. Thers is a discussion on this thread about it.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/12544

Good luck with your two hands Rick. I dont know if your bragging or not but I only need one hand. Wink

 

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Bragging…no.Just that last I checked…she had two.I will further investigate tonight…for the sake of BLF, of course!

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Bragging...no.Just that last I checked...she had two.I will further investigate tonight...for the sake of BLF, of course!

ROTFLMAO!  Guess I could try your same argument in support of my flashlight addiction!

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Hey Garry, you know why women close their eyes during sex?Can’t stand to see a man have a good time!I already know what I’m NOT getting tonight…might as well have the flashlights!

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Just as an update: I received my TFF 26650 from Manafont last week, managed to charge it to 4.2v in my TF TR-001 using a penny trick E1320 talked about. Put it in my HD and measured a bit under 4A.

As noted above, the HD2010 will perform best at around 3.5A anyway. So, I’m quite happy, and oh yes, it is MUCH brighter than with a 18650. Still curious about the variation in max amps between us different HD owners.

Anyway, I’m happy enough to eventually buy a Kong or two and and another UF HD2010 from Tmart – a black one now that they have one, and for the same price. Smile

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What 18650s do you have, Jaffo?

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What 18650s do you have, Jaffo?

Hey Sashi. So far, in the HD2010 I’ve only used my SolarForce V3s and my MF TFF 3000mAhs. These cells all charge consistently and seem to hold the charge well and deliver solid amps on my other lights. But I know I could have better cells. Suggestions?

(sorry, had to edit to add a zero. Wink )

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You meant Trustfire black/flame 3000 mAh, right?
AFAIK, and just my 2 cents, those cells are best bung for the buck. For a little bit more you can buy these Sanyo, similar discharge curve, with slightly less capacity but will offer higher voltage at the same current (i.e. better for DD lights). Best 18650 is Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mAh (Green). Protected and not IMR. If you want IMR, there are quite cheap and good alternatives, but they will be unprotected! Be careful to use these in DD light.
The bad part of all this is that I have my HD2010 on the way, and I have “old” (but charged not more than 5 times) TF black/flame 2400 mAh :bigsmile: And these are quite worse than new TF 3000 and SolarForce V3 Sad And you said with 26650 your HD is much brighter. Darn, I was thinking that 18650 will be enough for me :bigsmile: Looks like I’ll need to buy one 26650 Flat Stare

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