[19-FEB-2013] Help choose three new lights for the BLF frontpage welcome!

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RaceR86 wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
I just don’t understand the appeal of a P60 host, even if it’s a good P60 host… just doesn’t seem like there’s much point when you could instead get a throwy C8 or a floody tube/cigar light, especially when either one costs less than a full P60 package.

I sold my C8. Why? Because I stopped using it after I got a P60.
Why I prefer P60s above C8 style lights:

-Size of head are not too small, but still small enough to go into most pockets comfortably.
-Beam. More flood. Much better for close to medium range. Does not give tunnel vision like C8.
-The ability to easily change drop-ins:
1- Different emitters (XP-G for throw, XM-L for flood and general use)
2- Different hosts for different use (Going a late evening mountain trip I know I might dent the flashlight a little running down a step mountain, so I take a more abused host)
3- Different tints in the right host for the job (High CRI/warm white for outdoor nature)
-The amount of different hosts. Cheap, bling, camo, colorful, clean, high quality, different shapes, etc..
-The ability the “lego” some parts for you own unique flashlight
-Building your own drop-in is super easy and the total cost is about 10$ with a nice driver.
-Custom drop-ins like triple XP-Gs etc..
-Parts are easily available. SMO/OP reflectors, lenses, rubber caps.

I dont own a L2P (yet?), I have L2T and some others. But I feel the L2P represents the typical high quality P60 host with a classic design. It basically shows that you can buy a budget light but still get a host that can be compared with a much more expensive Surefire host.
I also think a P60 represents some of the modding community on BLF. Many start with a P60 for their modding adventures. L2P is a nice host to represent all the P60 lights on this forum..

By looking at the voting system from the brainstorming site, the two C8 lights have more votes. But if a several P60 style lights L2T, L2N, Ultrafire 501B etc, etc were added I think they would get the highest combined results when comparing P60 vs C8 style lights..

I dont mean to further derail this thread but I think many of us agree with ToyKeeper. The P60’s certainly have their following because of their size and feature an easily swappable drop-in. They are also very inexpensive, which makes them initially seem like an attractive buy, until you assemble the complete light and the real price of ownership is revealed. Interestingly, all but one of my P60 based lights sit mostly unused, buried deep in a drawer (more on that below). I already went through the learning curve and modded all my P60’s. Sure it was fun and interesting, but it was also a huge waste of money that could have been spent on much better flashlights that would still be in use today. So lets take a closer look at the facts (not bashing anyone here. Just pointing out some fallacies and over-sites that often seem to pop up from those that market their own sales hype to themselves). I know Im often guilty of that too!:

  • P60’s: they have the worst heat sinking of any design Ive ever seen (even when the drop-in is wrapped in thick copper foil). If the drop-in is properly wound tightly to help dissipate heat, they suddenly become a real hassle to swap, which circumvents most of the reason for owning one in the first place. :Sp Drive a P60 XML at a commendable 3A for 10 minutes and you’ll quickly have something you can fry eggs on before it burns out. Id call the pretty useless. But not so with your old C8. You can keep right on using it till the battery is discharged. Even at 1.5A for a well heat-sinked P60, they become quite hot to handle… not warm, HOT. If its not getting hot, your make-shift (or non-existent) heat sinking method is insufficient and not doing its job. And what do you get for all of your efforts… a handy pocket warmer?
  • In comparing the C8, the tiny P60 reflectors are inefficient and poorly designed, which means they wont produce nearly the amount of throw/spill of the larger, deeper reflector when driven at the same levels. Your C8 had a way more efficient reflector that would stomp all over your P60 with any emitter combo.
  • There are literally dozens (probably hundreds) of properly designed P60 sized flashlights with useable heat sinking built-in, and with superior reflectors that cost less than the total investment of a descent budget P60 light… they are reviewed on this forum all the time. There are also far more options for host/finish/emitter/driver/tint/bin combos in regular flashlights than P60 drop-ins.
  • While I agree that the aesthetics of some of the nicer P60 based solarforce hosts (and similar) are a thing of beauty, they should have been modified years ago (at the time drop-ins migrated from incandescent to LED) so that the pill screwed into the host to accommodate heat sinking. They also could have used a much better reflector design.

The only P60 based light I still use is this: (photos compliments of Hrvoje)

The TrustFire TF-R2 accommodates the threads of a P60 pill, all packaged in a well designed C8 sized deep-reflectored host. Everyone with a collection of drop-ins should own one because it truly allows for a quick-change pill swap while maintaining heat-sinking with a great beam.

Hrvoje, if youre reading, thanks again for posting about the TF-R2. Ive bought several for other people (at least 10) and they are a match for any well designed budget C8. At the moment, they are still future-proof. :bigsmile:

My opinion from experience and a non-emotional perspective in comparing other budget lights: P60’s are obsolete, more expensive and inherently poorly designed. Your money is far better spent elsewhere.

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The L2P in HAIII is a sure bet. Easy pickings on the drop-in of choice, from $7 to $120 there’s tons of options.

I also vote for an O-L MiniMag, as the most reliable, solid budget performer and spokesmodel for the Budget Forum.

Don’t have any of the others that everyone’s raving about, but with the one’s I’ve got, who needs em?

Noobs 2c.

Edit: Johnny Mac made me order a Surefire HD2010, so I’m starting to join in around here. Silly

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Love reading everybody’s choices!
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Sipik68/clone
SmallSun ZY-T13
HD 2010
SkyRay King

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Vectrex wrote:

I created an entry for the awesome Convoy S2 (1×18650) lineup and specifically the 1.4A/5C option for ~$16. The true essence of “budget” or “bang-for-the-buck”.

I second that Big Smile
The Convoy S2 is dollar for dollar, the best BFTB (bangforthebuck) light I own. The quality of the fit/finish is exemplary, for a $14+ flashlight.

Lights out! That's when things get interesting...

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SK68
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Ok, we now have three clear winners, and they look like pretty good ones.

  1. Sipik SK68 or a clone
  2. SkyRay King
  3. Solarforce L2P

So now we need pictures. Should I ask a vendor if I can use one of their pictures? Or would anybody here like to take some shots for this? (I have the Solarforce L2P, so I can handle that one.) If so, it would simply be a top view of the light laying on a white background (could be a piece of white paper or a sheet). It doesn’t have to be a spectacular high resolution picture, since I will be scaling it down to about the same size as the current pictures.

Thanks a lot!

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sb56637 wrote:
Ok, we now have three clear winners, and they look like pretty good ones.

Yes!!

 

 

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Yay! The Gold one is thrilled, want’s it’s picture taken. lol The unbranded black one is shy, hiding it’s face behind the much bolder M3 carrying big brother.

Nice choices, that should modernize the opening page pretty well.

And yes, I think asking the companies for a representative shot will give them some pride and give you the satisfaction of knowing you went to the source and there’s no issues with showing them. Wink

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sb56637 wrote:
Ok, we now have three clear winners, and they look like pretty good ones.
  1. Sipik SK68 or a clone
  2. SkyRay King
  3. Solarforce L2P

Ah, interesting. I wasn’t sure if the L2P would get third place, or if the two C8s would be added together to take the third spot. It has been basically tied, pending interpretation of the results.
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Just a thought, but to assure maximum exposure to all BLF members on this subject (rather than just the ones that participated in this thread), perhaps the top 10 suggestion from this thread should be used to create a poll. (The poll hangs in the side bar until it is replaced by another).

I would be willing to bet that the C8 XML ($10-18) category alone has by far outsold the combination of the top 5-10 flashlight suggestions combined.

What flashlight enthusiast doesnt own at least 1 or 2?…

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FlashPilot wrote:
Just a thought, but to assure maximum exposure to all BLF members on this subject (rather than just the ones that participated in this thread), perhaps the top 10 suggestion from this thread should be used to create a poll. (The poll hangs in the side bar until it is replaced by another).

I would be willing to bet that the C8 XML ($10-18) category alone has by far outsold the combination of the top 5-10 flashlight suggestions combined.

What flashlight enthusiast doesnt own at least 1 or 2?…


what he said… but no big deal either way, it was voted on, and the results clearly show here what the people like.

but the only one out of all 3 that i would consider buying is the solarforce. and even then i would probably pick a different model. sipik and SRK dont appeal to me. when the king first came out it was a wow factor, but only in gold. now they have black a little to late as there are many more budget options…

just my 2c, doesnt matter either way to me though :bigsmile:

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FlashPilot wrote:
What flashlight enthusiast doesnt own at least 1 or 2?…

Got one on my desk, but it’s borrowed from my son . . so I don’t own even just one.

Couple SK68s, few P60s, several straight tube EDCs in several battery sizes, then jump to a 2*18650 T6, various mags, and a DST. Oh, and a free SK68 2*AA extension on its way.

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C8
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L2P

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All this talk about the SK-68…so I just went and bought one from dx.com!! Can’t go wrong at $8.70!

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FlashPilot wrote:
Just a thought, but to assure maximum exposure to all BLF members on this subject (rather than just the ones that participated in this thread), perhaps the top 10 suggestion from this thread should be used to create a poll. (The poll hangs in the side bar until it is replaced by another).

I would be willing to bet that the C8 XML ($10-18) category alone has by far outsold the combination of the top 5-10 flashlight suggestions combined.

What flashlight enthusiast doesnt own at least 1 or 2?…


i have none

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All this talk about the SK-68…so I just went and bought one from dx.com!! Can’t go wrong at $8.70!

It’s not great, compared to many of the other lights we talk about here… but it’s probably the best value for the price (usually sells at around $5 or $6 including shipping). It’s also a great gift for non-flashaholics since it can use regular AA batteries and will beat the pants off almost anything available at local retail stores for 10X the price.

On an Eneloop, it’ll probably get around 140 or 160 lumens on the wide setting and up to 10k lux on the narrow setting. Not bad for a single-AA compact $6 light. With a 14500 battery, it can get more like 240 lumens on wide and 15k lux on narrow, but runs the risk of overheating. Also, the quality and exact features vary quite a bit from unit to unit, and which one you get is often luck-of-the-draw.

I got ten and gave most of them away. Every recipient has been pretty pleased with it, especially the guy who was still using a big 2-D cell incandescent. The SK-68 also was the #1 product on Amazon for a while, in both flashlights and hand tools.

There are much better products out there… but not for $6 or less.

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when is the voting over?

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
Best wish, May
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PLEASE HELP ME GEARBEsT! IM LITERALLY CRYING!

 

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jmpaul320 wrote:
when is the voting over?

Looks like it’s over…
sb56637 wrote:
Ok, we now have three clear winners, and they look like pretty good ones.
  1. Sipik SK68 or a clone
  2. SkyRay King
  3. Solarforce L2P

So now we need pictures. Should I ask a vendor if I can use one of their pictures? Or would anybody here like to take some shots for this? (I have the Solarforce L2P, so I can handle that one.) If so, it would simply be a top view of the light laying on a white background (could be a piece of white paper or a sheet). It doesn’t have to be a spectacular high resolution picture, since I will be scaling it down to about the same size as the current pictures.

Thanks a lot!

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I took this picture of a SK68. 

Certainly not the best but I will offer it up if you want to use it. Smile I don't currently have a L2P or King though. 

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ToyKeeper wrote:
lionheart_2281 wrote:
All this talk about the SK-68…so I just went and bought one from dx.com!! Can’t go wrong at $8.70!

It’s not great, compared to many of the other lights we talk about here… but it’s probably the best value for the price (usually sells at around $5 or $6 including shipping). It’s also a great gift for non-flashaholics since it can use regular AA batteries and will beat the pants off almost anything available at local retail stores for 10X the price.

On an Eneloop, it’ll probably get around 140 or 160 lumens on the wide setting and up to 10k lux on the narrow setting. Not bad for a single-AA compact $6 light. With a 14500 battery, it can get more like 240 lumens on wide and 15k lux on narrow, but runs the risk of overheating. Also, the quality and exact features vary quite a bit from unit to unit, and which one you get is often luck-of-the-draw.

I got ten and gave most of them away. Every recipient has been pretty pleased with it, especially the guy who was still using a big 2-D cell incandescent. The SK-68 also was the #1 product on Amazon for a while, in both flashlights and hand tools.

There are much better products out there… but not for $6 or less.

Thanks heaps for that information. I just wanted a cheap zoomie for the missus. Seems like at $8.70 I might have slightly overpaid, but oh well.
I’ll be running it off a 14500, so if it gets anything close to 240 lumen I’ll be very impressed.

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if anyone is wondering about a sk68 clone im giving away two when i hit 1000 posts Smile http://budgetlightforum.com/node/19296

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
Best wish, May
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PLEASE HELP ME GEARBEsT! IM LITERALLY CRYING!

 

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Me, I’m a bit conflicted about the L2P body as it isn’t all that budget. Not that it is expensive. I’d go for the L2M body instead though at the sort of resolution involved I doubt anyone would see the difference. Skyray King shots forthcoming. And that really, really isn’t budget. Unless you compare it to any other 3 XM-L light. And I have several

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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I think the choices reflect well on forum membership.

To be fair, I wont own an sk68 as I dislike zoomies, wont own a soloarforce l2* as I dislike p60’s (flash pilot rather eloquently underlined all the reasons I won’t, and since I’ve found a well built p60 sized diy host, size is not a factor) and probably wont own a king because the price of a good one from a trusted seller is too close to an sl3 and I prefer the sl3.

Still, the new banner should look good…. :bigsmile:

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gords1001 wrote:
I think the choices reflect well on forum membership.

To be fair, I wont own an sk68 as I dislike zoomies, wont own a soloarforce l2* as I dislike p60’s (flash pilot rather eloquently underlined all the reasons I won’t, and since I’ve found a well built p60 sized diy host, size is not a factor) and probably wont own a king because the price of a good one from a trusted seller is too close to an sl3 and I prefer the sl3.

Still, the new banner should look good…. :bigsmile:

i hope you win a sk68 clone from my giveaway Smile

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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PLEASE HELP ME GEARBEsT! IM LITERALLY CRYING!

 

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I’ve not entered Smile really dont like ftt lights that show the die image. I also wont own an aspheric fir the same reason

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gords1001 wrote:
I’ve not entered

its just as well.. scaru is probably going to win both… that dudes on fire with winning free stuff lately Smile

Would you mind keeping the wrong flashlight?
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PLEASE HELP ME GEARBEsT! IM LITERALLY CRYING!

 

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gords1001 wrote:
I think the choices reflect well on forum membership.

To be fair, I wont own an sk68 as I dislike zoomies, wont own a soloarforce l2* as I dislike p60’s (flash pilot rather eloquently underlined all the reasons I won’t, and since I’ve found a well built p60 sized diy host, size is not a factor) and probably wont own a king because the price of a good one from a trusted seller is too close to an sl3 and I prefer the sl3.

Still, the new banner should look good…. :bigsmile:

I’m pretty sure I saw it in another thread, but what is the P60-sized host you’re on about? It sounds to be right up my alley.

Home-brew is mastic.

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gords1001 wrote:
I think the choices reflect well on forum membership.

To be fair, I wont own an sk68 as I dislike zoomies, wont own a soloarforce l2* as I dislike p60’s (flash pilot rather eloquently underlined all the reasons I won’t, and since I’ve found a well built p60 sized diy host, size is not a factor) and probably wont own a king because the price of a good one from a trusted seller is too close to an sl3 and I prefer the sl3.

Still, the new banner should look good…. :bigsmile:

I’m pretty sure I saw it in another thread, but what is the P60-sized host you’re on about? It sounds to be right up my alley.

Here you go.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/19210#node-19210

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are the new pictures coming?

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