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They look like Mallory electrolytic capacitors.

Filter caps for power supplies in vacuum tube amps?

Cheap because they were not needed for solid state devices?

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I'm thinking the 1971 date is tied to computers somehow.

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garrybunk wrote:
Oh, and it’s amazing how bright 30 lumens is underground in complete darkness!

If I was in an underground cave I would rather have 30 lumens of warm high CRI light. I can understand the resistance to upgrading if you have gear that is well known (and well known flaws) vs. new stuff that needs testing and familiarising, and training others on use (health and safety).

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The suspense is killing me.  Someone guess this correctly now darn it.

I would guess some type of capacitor, but the sleeping with it under your pillow the first night thing is throwing me off.  I can't imaging wanting to have a capacitor anywhere near my rock filled head.  I wasn't playing with electronics much back then.  So I have no appreciation for the shortage of this type of part.

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I wasn't even born yet in 1971!

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Chloe wrote:
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Oh, and it’s amazing how bright 30 lumens is underground in complete darkness!

If I was in an underground cave I would rather have 30 lumens of warm high CRI light. I can understand the resistance to upgrading if you have gear that is well known (and well known flaws) vs. new stuff that needs testing and familiarising, and training others on use (health and safety).

I remember my much older sister telling me that until one goes deep down into the earth, they have NEVER seen darkness. Only then can you experience the total absence of light.

Another coincidence! Only last night I read this article. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/lux-dark-matter/

How’s that for a LUX meter……..and it’s buried in a cave.

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dchomak wrote:
The questions are: What is it? What was it called? Where was this particular item to be used? Bonus: Why was I able to get so many of them so cheaply? Hint: 1971

It looks like a chassis mount capacitor, the kind used in output stage of power amps. Maybe you could get them cheaply because of transistor amps becoming more popular?

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But you all have not answered every question. I am also hoping that someone will give us more than I am asking, stuff I didn’t know.

allan d wrote:
They look like Mallory electrolytic capacitors.

Filter caps for power supplies in vacuum tube amps?

Cheap because they were not needed for solid state devices?

You nailed the manufacturer part of it! Here is another pic
There are a lot of reasons why they are no longer as necessary. What are they?

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garrybunk wrote:
date is tied to computers somehow.

Computers, interesting idea.
But What happened in 1971?
Maybe a company switched from linear regulated PSUs to SMPS, rendering their stock of big caps useless?
Could be at that time.
Oh the suspense. Big Smile
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Rated at 40 VDC they certainly are not for vacuum tube power supplies. Filter caps for B+ power supplies would be 470 volts or so.

I remember that in 1971 the HP hard disk drives that I worked on had big capacitors like that for emergency head retract in the event of power failure.

Allan

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Chloe wrote:
dchomak wrote:
The questions are: What is it? What was it called? Where was this particular item to be used? Bonus: Why was I able to get so many of them so cheaply? Hint: 1971

It looks like a chassis mount capacitor, the kind used in output stage of power amps. Maybe you could get them cheaply because of transistor amps becoming more popular?

Back in the day, often times Amplifier manufacturers would would use huge non-polarized capacitors to protect the speakers from any DC current. Theoretically that would impact low end response. In my opinion the better designs wouldn’t need them. 2 of these in series in reverse polarity could mimic a non polarized capacitor. When that was done though, shunt resistors of the proper value had to be used. It was a kludge. My personal use was for filter capacitors in power supplies.

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But around that time” things were a changin………………”

You are all going to figure it all out… and more….. I want to learn more too!

I have taken too a long a lunch break. I’ll be back later, until then I will leave you with a quote I just came across.

“Resistance is futile, but capacitance has potential”

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Aluminum electrolytic capacitors with excellent initial electrical performance, voltage combinations, high current filtering, energy storage, and good ripple capability. High performance, high capacitance and high CV rated. The were/are used for spot welding, DC/DC converters of +500W power, DC/AC AC/AC +500W converters, motor starters, flashtube ignitors, audio crossovers, frequency converters, DC links, DC buffering, UPS buffering ….

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How did you get such a good deal on them?

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dchomak wrote:
But around that time” things were a changin………………”

You are all going to figure it all out… and more….. I want to learn more too!

They are so big. Were they used in some kind of computer?

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Hmm . . . in 1971 Intel released it's first microprocessor.  Is this related?  Death of main frames or something?  I'm probably stuck on 1971, but the "event" could have happened earlier.

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gords1001 wrote:
I like this thread.

Me too! I love learning about older technologies.

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Hmm . . .

1968:

  • The first computer with integrated circuits made.

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Did the introduction of super-capacitors cause a temporary drop in traditional capacitor prices?  Is that how you came to having a one night stand with one of those caps?

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Yep, one might consider mercury vapor rectifiers as light emitting diodes… they are diodes and they do emit light!

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supercapacitors with activated carbon electrodes

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The questions are:
What is it?
What was it called?
Where was this particular item to be used?
Bonus: Why was I able to get so many of them so cheaply? Hint: 1971

What is it? – a capacitor, you got that right away
What was it called? – They were commonly called Computer Grade Electrolytic Capacitors In fact in this picture there is a marking on the item “CGS” The CG I presume, stood for Computer Grade. The S designation meant that it wasn’t up to the highest of standards. Still a cut above other standards of the time.

Where was this particular item to be used? Of course I can’t be absolutely sure but probably in a main frame computer, and probably in a linear power supply.

Back in the late 60’s and early 70’s there was a 10 mile stretch of route 128 that had a high density of high tech companies. Also at that same time there was alot of changes taking place in the computer industry. garrybunk zeroed in on that in his investigations. allan d knows his parts and even guessed the manufacturer. dave_ realized that manufacturers were also going from linear power supplies to switching power supplies, which do not require such large filter capacitors.
Now the reason I was able to get them so cheap:
Back then, in the Boston area, there were all those high tech companies that were in the middle of a revolution in computer technology. Tech was advancing so fast and computers were becoming obsolete much sooner than they were ever expected to. I lived in Connecticut, in reasonably close proximity to Boston. At that time there was a lot of computer surplus available and there were quite a number surplus stores set up to dispose of it all. First of all, form a Wikipedia article on route 128, here is a list of some of the more well known companies in that area.

Digital Equipment Corporation
Data General
BBN Technologies
Thermo Electron and Fisher Scientific, later merged as Thermo Fisher Scientific
Analog Devices
Computervision
Microsoft
GTE
Honeywell Information Systems
MITRE
Polaroid
Sun Microsystems
BEA Systems
Turbine, Inc.
EMC Corporation
Autodesk
Raytheon
Wang Laboratories
Apollo Computer
Prime Computer
Cullinet

Most of these companies were main frame computer companies and did not survive the shift in computers.
On the surplus market there was literally TONS of surplus computers, parts, boards etc. for next to nothing.
To me it was a magical time. Every once and awhile I would leave Connecticut, and do the route. Go from surplus store to store, just looking in amazement at all the high quality stuff for cheap. Also at that time, in the same areas, there was a lot of vacant manufacturing space. Those buildings made perfect cheap warehouses for the surplus dealers.

I bought those capacitors at “Delta Electronics” in Amesbury, MA. The owner was a retired Engineer and his son owned the building he was in, and did not charge him any rent. The building was an old automobile manufacturing plant.

See, they even had electric cars in 1914, went 100 miles on a single charge!
Or so they said Wink
It was HUGE, and it was FULL. This guy had pallets and pallets of stuff, most never even gone through. I got friendly enough with him that he would let me rummage through and look for stuff. One visit, while rummaging, I found thousands of brand new capacitors, in boxes that were never opened. As I said earlier, capacitors were hard to come by and were very expensive. Also, there were no wall warts of switching power supplies as there are now. If you were going to build anything, you also had to build a power supply. That meant a transformer, some diodes and capacitors, big capacitors if you were going to draw any significant amount of current.
Anyway, I put my pile together and the time came to pay up. I told him about the hoard of capacitors that I found (I don’t think he even knew he had them) and asked him how much. This time instead of giving me a price, he looked me straight in the eye and said “you tell me”. I looked him straight back and said “5 bucks”
I could tell he was taken aback a little, but he said alright.

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For some reason, I feel the urge to end the night with a couple of computer pioneer documentaries and pirates of silicone valley. Wink

I would have loved to go trough the stock of that electronics dealer.
Reminds me of the crazy surplus dealers overe here that went over to east Germany when the borders opened. They went over with nothing but cash and bought a couple of military trucks from the Soviets. After that, they bought all their equiptment to fill up the trucks. Big Smile
That included tons and tons of electronics and (field) radio technology. Some of them have still warehouses full of that stuff, still living quite nicely from a deal they made with a Soviet base commander or quartermaster who didn’t gave a damn on a cold winter morningin in 1990. Big Smile
Was nice for me as a kid. The electronics hobby was really affordable, you could buy stuff like resistors for a buck per kg. I still have ~2kg of mixed Soviet and East German made resistors. Wink
The ceramic caps sadly didn’t survived that well. ^^
(But I recently bought a 10k tin of magnetic core memory cores made in e.Germany from a Bulgarian ebay dealer. It’s a small world sometimes. ;-))

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Then there was that warehouse in East Germany that had a few million Soviet made ionization smoke detectors… they used plutonium as the ionization source…

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That’s interesting, I didn’t know anyone was insane enough to use Pu in that way. I just dug up some old news articles. Seems like they were popular targets for burglary in that day.
A couple of 150g(!!) Pu sources also went missing. I really don’t want to know what kind of stuff disappeared in the eastern European satellite states and former Soviet territories at that time.

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Did someone try harvesting all that plutonium? Shocked

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A couple of 150g(!!) Pu sources also went missing. I really don’t want to know what kind of stuff disappeared in the eastern European satellite states and former Soviet territories at that time.

I once worked in a lab where a 500g pube (Plutonium/Beryllium neutron source) was kept in what amounted to an unlocked broom closet… at least it was surrounded by a couple tons of GulfWax paraffin… still in the cases from a local supermarket. (Heeeheee he said pube… :party:)

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As I was typing up that last long post, I was overcome with a flood of old memories. Does anyone remember

B+F Enterprises – Bonaface and Fink. They were 2 ex Intel engineers that went into surplus. they even designed a calculator and Nixie Tube clock that they sold in kit form.

John Meshna Electronics – Surplus

Lafayette Radio Electronics

Olson Electronics

Poly Paks – Cheap semiconductors that were really rejects.

Delta Electronics – Surplus

McGee Radio (I used to buy speaker components from them)

Digi Key I remember when they were just starting out – a 1 page flyer! They have come along way! I remember how nervous I was on my first prepaid order – their address was Thief River Falls

Radio Shack – back then it was geared more for Ham operators. Started in the Boston area and there was only 1 store in CT. West Hartford, my first trip in a car after I got my drivers license was from Glastonbury to the store in West Hartford. I was 16 and I made up my mind to live in West Hartford. I bought my first house in 1981, 2 blocks from that store!

Edmund Scientific – They sold a lot of optics.

and on and on

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Pretty much all of them… there were Lafayette and Olson (or was it Applebee) stores across the street from me in college.

Fair Radio is still around…

Derf is still around…

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