Tangsfire C8 XM-L2 U3 Review

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bibihang wrote:
I tried to use the coupon code e398f042a3 from OL's "post":http://budgetlightforum.com/node/20853?page=5#comment-502995 but it shows that the coupon code has been expired. Is it or did I do anything wrong?

Nope. It's expired. 

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bibihang wrote:
I tried to use the coupon code e398f042a3 from OL’s post but it shows that the coupon code has been expired. Is it or did I do anything wrong?

Nope. It’s expired. 


Damn, got to spend 4 more bucks to get it, I think not worth it and I will pass. Sad
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heggood wrote:
Could you recommend some decent quality batteries at a good price, I need a couple more and I know some of these sites are having great deals just not sure what to look for, thanks.

These are good mid range batteries and they ship quick from the USA.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131000844418?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3...
Best $9 you will spend.

These are of of the only ****fire batteries to get good reviews.
I have 6 of them and they work very well, especially for the price and you don’t have to wait for a month to get them.
Or never get them at all with the wacky oversea’s shipping companies lately.

HTH
Keith

OK,
Got my Tangsfire today.
Pulls 3.52 amps on both the Trustfire Flames and on Panasonic 3400 protected’s. I do not have any IMR batteries in 18650 to try, but am confident it would pull more with them as is listed in the OP.

Anyway, fit and finish is very good, nice clean reflector, clean glass, small amount of lube on threads.
She is a keeper, very bright and has a nice defined hotspot. As with other lights with the East092 driver it comes on to high mode which suits me fine.
For the money I don’t know how you can do better. Finally a C8 that has good amperage right out of the box.
Tint is bright white but not purpley or green.
I may do a resistance mod with some braid on the driver spring and tailcap spring and remove the cap over the spring. Cap looks kinda cheesy anyway.

So there you have it, now go get you one!
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Keith

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ok i will buy one to compare with the rest of my top c8 and c12’s.
as of right now, the c8 from lightmalls has the crown….

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I got the first of my Tangsfire C8s today. With a freshly charged Sony US18650VTC3 I got a 5A reading.

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I got the first of my Tangsfire C8s today. With a freshly charged Sony US18650VTC3 I got a 5A reading.
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Maybe it was in your review and I missed it, but is there any timed based step down when it’s on high?

-Jamie M.

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It’s direct drive on high, so the current readings can drop down fast depending on the cells used.

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It’s direct drive on high, so the current readings can drop down fast depending on the cells used.

Ahhhh, sweet. Thanks Smile

-Jamie M.

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Here it is from one of Tmart’s ebay accounts on sale for only $16.73, 3 days only.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221327571990?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3...

Buy now, Save now!
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Keith

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Muto wrote:
Here it is from one of Tmart’s ebay accounts on sale for only $16.73, 3 days only.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221327571990?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3...

Buy now, Save now!
Later,

Keith

Thanks, I’ve been wanting another light…

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hmm..so i just recieved my tmart c8 today, and sadly to say, it was still beaten by my lightmalls xml2 c8
the lightmalls c8 has a bigger less defined hotspot, and has more spill/flood,
and the tmart c8 has a much nicer beam and tighter hotspot.
the lightmalls seems brighter and seems to throw further, but only judging by eye.
im using 20 R’s.

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Same here. Got both of mine yesterday and neither perform very well. They don’t suck, but they are not much brighter than my standard C8s out there from any vendor. Granted, they are well built and very nice, with a defined hotspot, but they are blue as heck (no more U3s for me) and just not very impressive. I tested mine on unprotected 3400 Panas from FT. Didn’t spend long playing around, but I’ll do more some time tomorrow when I get back home.

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Muto wrote:
Here it is from one of Tmart's ebay accounts on sale for only $16.73, 3 days only. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221327571990?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3... Buy now, Save now! Later, Keith

This is not the same light - XML U3, not XM-L2 U3 (Not sure I believe that anyway - probably a XM-L2 T6).

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Seems it is a very bright flashlight…

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Muto wrote:
Here it is from one of Tmart’s ebay accounts on sale for only $16.73, 3 days only. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221327571990?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3... Buy now, Save now! Later, Keith

This is not the same light – XML U3, not XM-L2 U3 (Not sure I believe that anyway – probably a XM-L2 T6).

Blow up the first picture shown, Side of flashlight reads XM-L2 U3 clear as day.
Listing says other way as you point out.

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Ooops, my 56 year old eyes couldn't make that out. Still, I wouldn't believe it's really a XM-L2 U3. There was one batch made by CREE, none we've heard of since. ArmyTek was the only manufacturer I heard of that actually got them, and since, can't get anymore. For one vendor that has repeatedly claimed XM-L2 U3 emitter (willbuying.com), I did a pretty rigorous test on and proved them to be equal to a T6 bin in output.

 Most likely, the manufacturers have left-over XM-L2 U3 labeled hosts, or they were hoping on more to come out, or they simply like to falsify the claims because they get away with it and they think they can sell more, or get a higher price. Lightmalls, TMART, various eBay and AliExpress sources are all the same. They can claim innocence because their sources are telling them the lies, or not. Doesn't mean I would boycott the vendors, but sometimes you just got to accept it like their outrageous lumens claims, or claims of regulated output at a specific amp level. What they use in place of the U3's is the question. If they use U2's, great, but if they use T6's, and/or bad tints like a T6 0D, that sucks.

This light is sounding like a T6 at best, based on the high amps and relatively low output. Might have something to do with the reflector too, because there is a lot of variations in C8 reflectors, some better than others.

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Ooops, my 56 year old eyes couldn’t make that out. Still, I wouldn’t believe it’s really a XM-L2 U3. There was one batch made by CREE, none we’ve heard of since. ArmyTek was the only manufacturer I heard of that actually got them, and since, can’t get anymore. For one vendor that has repeatedly claimed XM-L2 U3 emitter (willbuying.com), I did a pretty rigorous test on and proved them to be equal to a T6 bin in output.

 Most likely, the manufacturers have left-over XM-L2 U3 labeled hosts, or they were hoping on more to come out, or they simply like to falsify the claims because they get away with it and they think they can sell more, or get a higher price. Lightmalls, TMART, various eBay and AliExpress sources are all the same. They can claim innocence because their sources are telling them the lies, or not. Doesn’t mean I would boycott the vendors, but sometimes you just got to accept it like their outrageous lumens claims, or claims of regulated output at a specific amp level. What they use in place of the U3’s is the question. If they use U2’s, great, but if they use T6’s, and/or bad tints like a T6 0D, that sucks.

This light is sounding like a T6 at best, based on the high amps and relatively low output. Might have something to do with the reflector too, because there is a lot of variations in C8 reflectors, some better than others.

Tom,

I hear ya.
I sold stereo equipment in the early 80’s and there were no enforceable laws against overstating wattage of car stereo amps, head units, etc.
Even the home stereo laws were lax.
Same applies here, they can slap any label on the side of a light they want and no one is going to say boo.
Q5’s rated at 1000 lumens? Sure, why not.
There are probably lots and lots of T6 emitters left in the supply chain, hence the reason we are seeing T6 lights for $6.

I still think this particular flashlight is worth the money with the east 092 driver. If you don’t like the tint or want better heat sink/ more output, just throw in a Copper Noctigon with your favorite emitter and flavor of tint and be done. The hot spot is very well defined.
JMHO
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but they are blue as heck

Is the blue is due to high current draw of direct drive but with poor heatsinking thus the LED turns blue over the time?
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bibihang wrote:
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but they are blue as heck
Is the blue is due to high current draw of direct drive but with poor heatsinking thus the LED turns blue over the time?

Not at all. Just like the XM-L2 U3 C12s from Aliexpress blue, but not quite as bright, just blue. Looked almost P7 blue. Then again, I’m in the dust bowl of Texas right now, so I will play more when I get back home.

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I can't find a TangsFire logo in the photos, always makes me suspicious. Even when shown you often get a differently branded item, so when they avoid photographing it....Tongue Out

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Awhile back, when I got my exceptional C8’s from TMart, I immediately ordered a bunch more. I did this because I wanted more from the same batch. Even so, there were 2 that were not quite as good. Physically the only difference is the centering ring is white and not black as the others. Output was a little lower also, and a little warmer. Point is, there is always some variation in these things.

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OK, my verdict on the Tangsfires…

When I fired up the first light, it was the less well driven one, and turns out, the battery wasn’t the most fully charged. Popped in an unprotected Panasonic 3400 and was fairly impressed. Popped in a Tenergy 2400 and Keeppower 2800 (both protected) and got exactly the same output. Beam profile seems a lot like a Trustfire X8 or KD C8, just a bit fatter, with that “eye” complex with yellowish corona.

The other light is about 150 lumens brighter, has a touch fatter hotspot, but other than that, they are both nicely made budget C8s.

Pros…

-Great tailcaps and threads
-Solid, smooth, and clean bodies (doesn’t immediately appear budget)
-East 092 driver.
-Appears to be XM-L2 U3 bin
-awesome reflectors

Cons…

-one light not as bright as the other
-Brightness: I expected more output than my XINTD from Wallbuys, but they are honestly about the same, so maybe a low-1,000-something lumens, give or take.

For the price, you might well grab one up, but I’d still pay a bit more and go for regulated output. The Lightmalls model may still reign as C8 king.

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Got my TangsFire XM-L2 U3 today. It pulls 4.65A on a fresh Pana PD - 1,054 lumens @start, 976 lumens at 30 secs. I'd expect a big drop for 4.65A on an aluminum star. Tried the threads - yet another C8 thread size and cut, oh boy... Really was hoping it was going to be a true C8 thread. The pill threading is bigger than a Convoy C8 and UF T-20/LightMalls C8, so no chance brass or copper pills will fit. Like a Convoy C8, it came with a 16mm star - kind of surprising.

The body and reflector are clean - excellent condition. It's not bad, was hoping a little more compatible though.

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I didn’t like running this light too much on DD without a copper star, so I swapped the U3 for an XM-L2 U2 1A on a Noctigon. I tried it side by side with another stock Tangsfire, and the beam profile and tints are identical. I could not discern any difference at all.
I was originally going to upgrade the wires. The smallest I had were 22AWG, and I knew they would probably play havoc shorting the reflector with the 16mm star. I was going to try anyway, but when I looked at where the wires were attached to the driver, I decided to leave them stock. I couldn’t trust my soldering abilities to attach larger wires in such a tiny space. I checked with my DMM to see if there was continuity to the close by components, but they must have been separated by half a hair.

Since I’m leaving the stock wires, I don’t know whether to bother with copper braid on the springs.

The stock aluminum star was glued down pretty tight. I couldn’t twist it off with pliers.
To get it out without damaging the emitter I set the pill on top of a large wrench socket and inserted a hex key into the wire hole where part of the star overlapped. A whack with a mallet, and it was out.

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blueb8llz wrote:
hmm..so i just recieved my tmart c8 today, and sadly to say, it was still beaten by my lightmalls xml2 c8 the lightmalls c8 has a bigger less defined hotspot, and has more spill/flood, and the tmart c8 has a much nicer beam and tighter hotspot. the lightmalls seems brighter and seems to throw further, but only judging by eye. im using 20 R’s.

What brand C8 were you referring to at Lightmalls? And what type of driver is it running?

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I went ahead and put copper braid on the springs anyway. I gained some amps. I also added an AR coated lens from IOS. I guess that’s about as a good as this torch is going to get. I put a blue boot cap on it so I can tell which one is which.

Efest IMR give me 3.6A, and the 30A Sonys give me 4.6A without breaking a sweat.

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this one
http://www.lightmalls.com/ultrafire-c8-cree-xm-l2-5-mode-led-flashlight-...

brightest and furthest throwing stock c8 around

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this one
http://www.lightmalls.com/ultrafire-c8-cree-xm-l2-5-mode-led-flashlight-...

brightest and furthest throwing stock c8 around


Is it direct drive on high mode?
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I didn’t like running this light too much on DD without a copper star, so I swapped the U3 for an XM-L2 U2 1A on a Noctigon. I tried it side by side with another stock Tangsfire, and the beam profile and tints are identical. I could not discern any difference at all.
Shouldn’t the beam profiles of U2 and U3 be different?

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