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ITP is no more

The itplight website has been down for months and there was a vague announcement on olightworld about a website update in regards to itp. As it turns out, Olight decided to kill the ITP brand. The products will live on as Olight branded products. Check out this announcement from goinggear:

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?254660-GoingGear.com-New-iTP-replacements-from-Olight-i1-i2-i3-EOS-amp-i6-Paladin

Keep an eye out for the itp branded products to be clearanced out. Hopefully this doesn't mean the eventual end of their budget priced products.

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Interesting ...  Thanks for the update 

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I like the design of the new i3's.  Wish we could get neutral tint versions.

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Interesting!

Im actually still in for an ITP a3.. now just have to wait until they go on clearance (at chinese vendors, from US, shipping is too pricy.)

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But why did they make the i3 longer than the a3 (70.8mm vs 66.5mm), brighter min with less run time (2.5lm/20h vs 1.8lm/50h, official numbers anyway) and less bright med and max with less run time (20lm/1.5h vs 22lm/4h; 70lm/0.7h vs 96lm/0.9h)?

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Yes, thats what I was wondering.... the output (numbers) seem to be different...

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ChibiM wrote:

Interesting!

Im actually still in for an ITP a3.. now just have to wait until they go on clearance (at chinese vendors, from US, shipping is too pricy.)

An ITP a3 upgrade has been on my wish list for a while.  Hadn't thought about ordering Chinese - thanks for the idea.

 

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Haggai wrote:

But why did they make the i3 longer than the a3 (70.8mm vs 66.5mm), brighter min with less run time (2.5lm/20h vs 1.8lm/50h, official numbers anyway) and less bright med and max with less run time (20lm/1.5h vs 22lm/4h; 70lm/0.7h vs 96lm/0.9h)?

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They probably didn't decrease the output any, they just redid their official measurements to be more accurate since the "name-brands" are being a lot more particular about having their quoted measurements come closer to ANSI standard because of consumer complaints. The 96 lumen was always way off. It was always more like 60 OTF lumens when tested in an IS. The longer length is probably a result of the redesigned tail. The keyring attachment was always a nub at the end. Looks like the lengthened the tail so they could fit both a keychain slot and the new screws for the pocket clip while now giving it the ability to tailstand. 4mm is not that much added length for the more functional design.

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Hmmm I REALLY like the screwed in clip!!. Thats where your extra 5mm of length comes from, the length needed to accommodate the screws.

 

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Well, I use the clip as a protection against rolling... The light just sits free in my pocket.

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I wondered about the changed specs.  The higher low does bother me.

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I ordered one from Lightake for my wife in June, ordered a Q5 and received an R5.. all for about 19 dollars including shipping.. (used a coupon that I found on the net)

But now my funds are a little limited, and have a few things in mind that I want to buy.... hmmm.

if they go on clearance... (if anybody finds this out) let me know

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tbenedict wrote:

I wondered about the changed specs.  The higher low does bother me.

I doubt they changed anything on the driver at all. They just decided to make their specs more accurate. Won't know for certain until you get one to compare side by side. 2.5 lumens is still pretty darn low.

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SirJohn wrote:

They probably didn't decrease the output any, they just redid their official measurements to be more accurate since the "name-brands" are being a lot more particular about having their quoted measurements come closer to ANSI standard because of consumer complaints.

+1

I think the same.

Well, shouldn't be bad news, while they maintain ITP prices and quality... no prob for me. And I like redesigned model, btw Smile

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the a1 doesn't officially take rcr's now? really? dumb move if this is true..also they're not keeping the sa line? my sa1 is one of the best lights I own..that sucks..

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the a1 doesn't officially take rcr's now? really? dumb move if this is true..also they're not keeping the sa line? my sa1 is one of the best lights I own..that sucks..

I'm guessing that the lack of official RCR support may have something to do with the move to the XM-L emitter. The "reputable" manufacturers seem reluctant to officially list rcr support on their tiny lights with XM-L. Probably concerned about too much heat and they don't want to warrant it. 4sevens did the same thing with the mini123x.

Its unclear whether Olight will release anything equivalent to the SA series. I would guess no because they were undercutting their own product line.

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You know that the CEO for both companies is the same man, don't you? 4Sevens & Olight

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never heard that before. I know Olight makes makes the 4sevens light. That doesn't sound right since Olight has been making lights for quite a while and 4sevens started as a dealer of Fenix and Nitecore. Can you provide some links to back that assertion up?

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here's a video that may clear up the 4sevens and Olight relationship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itTSpa2skGA

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Got it. Thanks. That explains even more why ITP is gone. Also explains even more why Olight won't give the i1 official support for RCR. From the MiniX, we can pretty much guarantee that an RCR will work though.

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Doh! I just bought an ITP A3 last week haha. Oh well, I prefer specs of ITP > new Olight.

 

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4sevens never* supported Li-ons in the Minis, not just the MiniX.

RCRs make no sense anyway. Go with AA lights and use 14500s. They have a lot more capacity, and you're not locking yourself into an expensive primary.

*Before they were released we were told that Li-on was fine. They later changed there tune. Just one of a long line of 4sevens blunders.

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Hikelite wrote:

You know that the CEO for both companies is the same man, don't you? 4Sevens & Olight

Not CEO, right? David, who runs (not sure about ownership anymore) 4Sevens, is Chairman of the Board at Olight. Other than saying they have a "strategic alliance" or something like that which will create synergy, they've never said what it actually entails. I imagine either Olight bought part of 4Sevens or vice versa. At a minumum I think Olight will be building more of 4Sevens' products than in the past and can buy bigger orders from Cree (Olight, iTP and 4Sevens were the only ones with S2 and S3 XP-G LED's). The thing that makes me think there is still some pretty significant separation is that David lives in the US (in the Atlanta area like me), even though he is of Chinese descent.

Not sure I'm crazy about the longer i3, though I don't doubt the clip is sturdier now. I took the clip off of my A3 and it lives on my keychain.

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brted wrote:

Hikelite wrote:

You know that the CEO for both companies is the same man, don't you? 4Sevens & Olight

Not CEO, right? David, who runs (not sure about ownership anymore) 4Sevens, is Chairman of the Board at Olight. Other than saying they have a "strategic alliance" or something like that which will create synergy, they've never said what it actually entails. I imagine either Olight bought part of 4Sevens or vice versa. At a minumum I think Olight will be building more of 4Sevens' products than in the past and can buy bigger orders from Cree (Olight, iTP and 4Sevens were the only ones with S2 and S3 XP-G LED's). The thing that makes me think there is still some pretty significant separation is that David lives in the US (in the Atlanta area like me), even though he is of Chinese descent.

Not sure I'm crazy about the longer i3, though I don't doubt the clip is sturdier now. I took the clip off of my A3 and it lives on my keychain.

O-light and 4Sevens have a technology sharing agreement.  What one develops the other can piggyback on.

As for the executive stuff, the CEOs of each company sit on the executive board of the other company.  For clarification:

CEO - Responsible for day to day running of the company along with the other company officers (Chief Operating Officer, Chief Financial Officer, etc) as well as long-term strategic planning.

Executive Board - Responsible for hiring, firing and evaluation of the company officers in the interests of shareholders.

Interesting to see ITP getting the hatchet - it's odd that O-light would absorb their own secondary brand as it could dilute the value of the O-light name.  Normally it's the other way around.

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Apparently ITP wasn't profitable enough to justify the brand segmention. Now people will get a "genuine" Olight at a lower entry level price and the former ITP products will probably gradually shift up in price as well.

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i wonder if this is the beginning of a trend.  maybe the market can't support this many brands.  

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i wonder if this is the beginning of a trend.  maybe the market can't support this many brands.  



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robostud5000 wrote:

i wonder if this is the beginning of a trend.  maybe the market can't support this many brands.  

I think it's probably more about the products than the brands. Brands are an artificial construct (with additional costs involved of course). Didn't they say the SA line was being eliminated? The A3 itself seems to still be popular.

I'm sure the market for lights priced higher than the commodity level is limited and those commodity lights are now getting better as well thus closing the gap.

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It's probably a smart move. The EOS series is the only popular part of the iTP lineup, so they are saving that and calling it Olight. That gives people a cheap way to get into Olight lights and then later move up to more expensive stuff. Like giving away crack.

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The clip on the ITP A3 can be reversed to wear the light  on the bill of a cap .

Just sayin' .

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