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Here’s what I hope to eventually be my build thread. I’m looking forward to seeing what everyone comes up with. This is going to be so exciting!

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Someone help talk me out of entering the machine made category. I’m seriously hampered with a lathe that can’t thread, but I’m still all itchy to enter even knowing I’d have to have a really strange design to avoid large internal and external threads.

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Kloepper Knife Works wrote:
Someone help talk me out of entering the machine made category. I’m seriously hampered with a lathe that can’t thread, but I’m still all itchy to enter even knowing I’d have to have a really strange design to avoid large internal and external threads.

Don’t enter. Just watch from the sidelines. Be a spectator. Threading is essential to a good machine-made design. Besides, you don’t want any of the prizes being offered anyway, right? J)

Anything else I can help you with? 0:)

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That was helpful. Silly

Ah, what the hell, put my name down for the machine made category.

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Table saw used in a safe and manual intensive way is allowed.

Let's try to be keep this event FUN and the rules loose and flexible enough. Judges will lower the score if they think that a contestant is bending the rules too much. Smile

Just trying to clearly understand the rules so I don't bend them.

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ImA4Wheelr wrote:

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Table saw used in a safe and manual intensive way is allowed.

Let’s try to be keep this event FUN and the rules loose and flexible enough. Judges will lower the score if they think that a contestant is bending the rules too much. Smile

Just trying to clearly understand the rules so I don’t bend them.

Go ahead and bend them the judges will just knock off points. Smile Give the other people a better chance.

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Kloepper Knife Works wrote:
Someone help talk me out of entering the machine made category. I'm seriously hampered with a lathe that can't thread, but I'm still all itchy to enter even knowing I'd have to have a really strange design to avoid large internal and external threads.
I believe there have been guys that learned to thread on a lathe that didn't do automatic threads. I am pretty sure it has been done.

https://youtu.be/65sWv212kqo

 

Bet you could do it too.Wink

 

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Good to see new members signing up. I hope more members will take the plunge, new or old. The more contestants, the better the contest. We want you.Laughing

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More build threads listed in post #1. More prizes added in post #0. Are we having more fun already? At least I am! Smile

ATTN: Contestants! Would you please:

  • Make the competition easier to follow by adding the following info to your build thread subject:
    • Your name: "MyName's entry to ..."
    • Category: "Hand Made" or "Machine Made"
  • PM me when you create the build thread so that I won't miss it when adding links to post #1

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Kloepper Knife Works wrote:
Someone help talk me out of entering the machine made category. I’m seriously hampered with a lathe that can’t thread, but I’m still all itchy to enter even knowing I’d have to have a really strange design to avoid large internal and external threads.

Go for it Henry. Just make the pieces fit snug, then D&T them and screw them together to secure. This is a make the coolest light contest, not the most user friendly lost in the woods light contest. Regardless, I’d have a screwdriver with me in the woods. Hell, there is nothing going to be user friendly with my light.

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The way I’m reading the rules I don’t actually have to own the machines I use in the build, just be the one to program and operate them while they’re running my parts. A whole universe opens up for me if that’s right, I have A LOT of machines open to me at work and the local community college.

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Kloepper Knife Works wrote:
The way I'm reading the rules I don't actually have to own the machines I use in the build, just be the one to program and operate them while they're running my parts. A whole universe opens up for me if that's right, I have A LOT of machines open to me at work and the local community college.

You are interpreting the rules correctly. Go for it! Smile

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Kloepper Knife Works wrote:
The way I’m reading the rules I don’t actually have to own the machines I use in the build, just be the one to program and operate them while they’re running my parts. A whole universe opens up for me if that’s right, I have A LOT of machines open to me at work and the local community college.

You are interpreting the rules correctly. Go for it! Smile

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Oh hell, I'm in for the Hand-Made Category.

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oh man this is going to be exciting..

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sinner wrote:
oh man this is going to be exciting..
Especially since you are entering too, right?Wink

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All right!! Thanks a ton to _the_ for helping organize this. Best wishes to all the participants. Have fun!

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sinner wrote:
oh man this is going to be exciting..
Especially since you are entering too, right?Wink

OL i will be participating in some ways. Big Smile

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Yes, thank you again for running this _the_. 

Have another question.  Please don't take my questions as attempts to get the rules bent.  I will comply with what ever your rulings are.  Not pushing for yes' to my questions.  Just need an answer so I can plan accordingly.

Are screws allowed for Hand Made?

EDIT: Store bought screws, that is.

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ImA4Wheelr wrote:

Are screws allowed for Hand Made?

EDIT: Store bought screws, that is.

Nut screws washers and bolts? Yes, that's definitely allowed in this weird contest. Laughing

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In for the Hand Made category Beer

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Kloepper Knife Works wrote:
Someone help talk me out of entering the machine made category. I'm seriously hampered with a lathe that can't thread, but I'm still all itchy to enter even knowing I'd have to have a really strange design to avoid large internal and external threads.
I believe there have been guys that learned to thread on a lathe that didn't do automatic threads. I am pretty sure it has been done.https://youtu.be/65sWv212kqoBet you could do it too.Winkhttps://www.google.com/searchclient=opera&q=making+threads+on+a+lathe+without+automatic+threading&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=cutting+threads+on+an+old+manual+lathe&tbm=vid

Some of us less intelligent people still do it that way. Embarassed

 

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And some of us even less intelligent people bought a lathe without working feed gears. Threading isn’t possible with my lathe except with taps and dies.

Fortunately as I found out, I’m not limited to using my lathe.

Are CNC lasers and benders frowned upon? If I used them I’d do all the programming and operating, and it’s in a machine shop, so it fits in your description of acceptable tools. No pressure, just checking.

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my Scratch Build category build topic has begun: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/40526

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Kloepper Knife Works wrote:
Are CNC lasers and benders frowned upon? If I used them I'd do all the programming and operating, and it's in a machine shop, so it fits in your description of acceptable tools. No pressure, just checking.

In Machine Made almost anything goes, so they are allowed.

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Interesting, a machine such as a drill press is listed and then limited in the way it’s used? Due to whether or not it’s “labor intensive”?

I’ve used a table saw to cut off bar stock, even to reduce the diameter of bar stock by manually turning the part in order to get a shank that would fit in the drill press. Then I’ve used the drill press to spin the bar stock and manually manipulated the table to use a broken planer blade in a drill press vise as a cutting tool to turn the bar stock down and shape it, much like a lathe but in a very primitive manner. So would this type of usage be prohibited? Obviously, I can’t cut threads that way.

Get ahead of the work with the table and it can pop the chuck off the 25 yr old benchtop drill press from Harbor Freight, sending the part/chuck flying onto a concrete floor and making one scramble to keep toes clear. Smile (ill fitting press fit taper chuck)

Recently made a .500 S&W MagLight with this technique, turning a 1/2” Titanium bar into a hollowpoint bullet for the reflector and pill housing, using brass threads cut off a plumbing fitting to screw this light engine into the .500 Mag brass. Would doing something like this be ok?

Made this 431 lumen XP-L V6 3D light for rdrfronty as a token of appreciation for making my Dad’s day with a gifted live .500 S&W round that he showed off to all his domino buddies. Even made an elephant skin sheath for it to keep dust/pocket lint out of the hollowpoint/reflector. Smile

The actual primer is used to engage the omten clicky inside. Boring out the tapered walls of the brass was fun! The drill press method was used to inset the base of the ti bullet so the light engine would fit inside with the 10mm sinkpad and XP-L. Proxxon rotary to cut the hollowpoint.

(Just wanted y’all to know I’m still doing bullet lights. lol)

So, can the drill press be used in this way?

Don’t know if I’ll enter, trying to give some people some ideas Wink

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Link to a phenomenal waste of time I mean, prize light build thread.

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DBCstm,

Damn, that bullet light is very sweet.

You asked:

"Interesting, a machine such as a drill press is listed and then limited in the way it’s used? Due to whether or not it’s “labor intensive”?"

I wanted to ask something along that line too, but this statement stopped me short of asking:

"Let's try to be keep this event FUN and the rules loose and flexible enough. Judges will lower the score if they think that a contestant is bending the rules too much."

I second your question.  At this point, I don't care if I am looked at as bending the rules by asking questions.  I'm all for fun, but mysterious rules take a lot of the fun out for me. 

Being told you can use a tool is clear.  Being told you can use in in certain ways (with no clear guidelines) is not.  I've spent a good amount of my planning time the last couple days trying to think of how to do things that will be considered acceptable to how I think the judges will be thinking. 

As far as keeping the rules loose and flexible, that is totally in the control of the rule maker, not the competitor.

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I think it’s important to keep in mind the distinction between hand made and machine made. Using a bench tool with guides to cut a part vs using the same tool to shape a part. There will always be grey areas and if you chose to go there then just be sure the results justify the risks. It’s supposed to be fun so worrying about winning or loosing points because of methods is contraindicated. Just do it, don’t let the rules stifle your imagination. In the hand made category it’s all about doing the most with the least and sharing creative ways to get it done.

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DBCstm, ImA4Wheelr: You are right. The rules are a bit vague about those things.

We (Judges) will discuss about this issue and we hope we can come up with a clear list what's allowed and what's not.

Please allow a couple of days for all judges to respond.

 

The original categorization was based on what tools are commonly available -> hand made, and what are usually used only in machine shops -> machine made.

In my opinion hand made lights should look and feel hand made, not having too fancy "lathe-like" designs. But that's just me. Other judges might disagree..

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