Dental Loupes Headlight DIY help

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Dental Loupes Headlight DIY help

Found this forum through a google search and I’m impressed with the depth of knowledge. I am searching for a little advice in getting a project going for myself and I hope that one of yall could point me in the right direction. I’m currently a dental student and get quite pissed off everytime I look at the price of headlights. Current price range is from about $550-900. I had this bright idea that I could DIY one myself and thought it would be a fun project. I knew that it wasn’t going to be an easy task but I quickly realized how little I know about LEDs. By little I mean being a complete noob.

What I am trying to build: Light wireless light, 5-5.5k light spectrum (with no blue light wavelengths??!), decent battery life (3-4hrs) with a potentiometer. Here are a couple current systems to give yall an idea whats on the market:

https://lumadent.com/products/headlight/airlux-student-discount.html
https://www.orascoptic.com/products/headlights/spark
http://surgitel.com/component/content/article?id=137

Main drawback to most of the current wireless systems (sans lumadent) is the battery life and the dental sales tax to make them crazy expensive. Am I crazy to even think I can build something like that? Is there a thread that goes into all that is necessary to build one? Anyone know any LEDs, batteries, drivers that could put me on the right track? I appreciate all the help I can get.

Edit: Found these LED from another thread: https://www.virence.com/product-page/nvswe21at. Would this work?

Edited by: afritsch on 03/24/2019 - 20:26
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Wireless basically means without any wires, so a headlamp. Smile

What you want is a high color rendition(CRI) LED setup, an AA/18650 battery for maximum battery life, and multiple modes with a very low mode available.

Luckily, there is something like that that is quite inexpensive:
http://ylplight.com/en/katalog/1/panda-2m-cri/

It emits very little blue little, if at all, has excellent color rendition, a good user interface, and the like.

If you want even higher color rendition and almost no blue light at all, get this:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/type-c-charging-interface-led-cycling-he...

With this LED, in the 4000k color range:
https://intl-outdoor.com/luminus-sst20-led-on-noctigon-xp16-mcpcb-p-937....

And this lens(60 degree) to get a more even beam:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/LED-lens-for-CREE-XML-XML2-LED-60degree/330416_1577614278.html

I would actually recommend the 2nd one if you can modify it. You only need a soldering iron, some solder, patience, and your mind.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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Take the head off a Convoy S9, power it with a usb wire (no battery needed) connected down to a power bank in your pocket.

http://s.aliexpress.com/ue2qemMN

You need some gopro headband or something to wear it.

With an Anker 14,000mah battery bank you should get 14 hrs runtime. No potentiometer though. That will be a tough nut to crack.

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All those tiny lamps he linked have only like 30-50lm output with a relative narrow beam from the focussing lens
this is why they can be so lightweight below 50g with battery

a normal headlamp looks quite different and is also not really compareable in beam pattern (tight hotspot no spill)

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Thanks for all the replies. Lexel is hitting it a little closer to the head. I don't want anything large at all and needs to be very lightweight. It will be mounted to my loupes so it can't be anything bulky. (pic of loupes:

 

Couple things. Lexel mentioned about the beam pattern. This is super important. I need it to be focused on a size barely larger than an open mouth. This is a video that shows the beam pattern I'm looking for well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyb7u_XyIiY

 

Based upon the size of the attached picture light, I don't see how they are fitting the standard LEDs that I am looking at. (Like the one that BlueSword posted: ) Is there a much smaller LED that would be possible to use? Light outputs for the current lights on the market are: 21000 lux, 32000 millilumens, 5500 foot candles. (That's all annoying that they are all in different units) 

 

I'll keep this post to the question about the LED. We can jump into batteries next. 

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they likely use a 3.5mm diode on a 10mm PCB, at 32 Lumens no real challange to cool the LED that may emit about 70 lumens with a two lens collimation

this is still a very specific use and so the solutions are expensive
I would at least try to buy one thats using a 16340 replaceable battery than one with build in battery

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I have been trying my best to figure out this light situation. I have got a couple items picked out. Could yall let me know if this would work?

Cree XPG2 LED

QLITE Driver:  If I am reading this correctly, this driver has different modes that can be programmed to give different outputs? As in, I could change the brightness levels of the led?

Charging module: https://www.banggood.com/5Pcs-USB-Lithium-Battery-Charger-Module-With-Charging-And-Protection-p-943768.html?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=cussku&utm_campaign=4388243_1015939&utm_content=1061&cur_warehouse=USA.

Tact Switch: https://www.e-switch.com/product-catalog/tact/product-lines/tl1265-series-illuminated-vertical-tact-switch#.XKAg7tpKiUk

Battery: What about a 14250? Seem to be easy to find in rechargeable and good size (1200mah)

Biggest question is will that driver work with this set up? Anyone know any similar items that are smaller dimensions? 

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More suitable LED: https://www.arrow.com/en/products/sphwhtl3da0gf4rts6/samsung-electronics
5000k 90CRI 3V LED. Has excellent color reproduction, which is important for skin tones and other things.

Good driver. Works with 3V LEDs.

Good TP4056 charging module.

Using that switch will not work, as you need a physical switch rather than an electronic switch, which will make the light larger.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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there is no 14250 with 1200mAh
14500 with 800mah is best as it gets with real capacity

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BlueSwordM wrote:
More suitable LED: https://www.arrow.com/en/products/sphwhtl3da0gf4rts6/samsung-electronics
5000k 90CRI 3V LED. Has excellent color reproduction, which is important for skin tones and other things.

Good driver. Works with 3V LEDs.

Good TP4056 charging module.

Using that switch will not work, as you need a physical switch rather than an electronic switch, which will make the light larger.

One of his requirements was no – low blue wavelengths emissions. The 4000K SST-20 should be a better fit as it should have less blue while the 3000K and 3500K should have even less. While the lower CCT may not be as advantageous there will be less blue, and 3500K is considered to be about the sweet spot for task lighting by lighting designers.

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Thanks again for all the replies.

I have found a more suitable switch: http://kaidomain.com/Flashlight-DIY-and-Tools/switches/S005871-DIY-LED-Flashlight-Reverse-Clicky-Switch-16mm-x-28mm-for-LED-Flashlight?limit=100.

About the battery: here is a 14250 that’s 1200mah and rechargeable. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H1ZF33U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_immOCbC352MF1. Are the just saying 1200mah but dont actually have that capacity? The point is I would like to have a battery power this light for 3-4 hours. I would need about 1200mah right? I really like the dimensions of the 14250.

LED: Reason I say no/loe bluewave length is because these will be used close to people’s eyes so I’d like to minimize damage if possible. Is it something I should even worry about? Isnt 3500k more of a yellowish hue? Most people using lights in the dental world are using lights more in the 5000k-6500k range. Thise ranges seem to have a more blueish hue to them so maybe my stipulation of little blue wavelengths might be unwarranted. That Samsung LED that bluesword posted does seem nice and can be had for a good price.

I’d like thank everyone for their contributions again. Yall have been very helpful.

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@afristch, you can get even the switch only if you want.
Just look for Omten 1288 on Kaidomain.

About that 14250 though, it does have 1200mAh capacity from a reputable manufacturer.

However, it is a non rechargeable lithium primary cell, so no recharging is possible.

And I would recommend high CRI 4000-5000k LEDs instead.
Not only do 5000k and below LEDs emit less blue light, but because they are high CRI, their spectral distribution have much smaller blue/green peaks, meaning less is emitted.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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Here are some tests of the 4000K Panda 2M, actually closer to 3800K. It showed a saturated red color accuracy —R9— of 75, and overall red wavelength dominance. The 5000K 90 CRI LH-351D, however, showed a very present dominant blue spike and a slightly lower R9 of 70. The 4000K SST-20 in Yajiami optics, however, performs very well. It has about the same to less blue then the 4000K Panda light, 10 more R9 points and a couple more R12 points, or saturated blue. The 3500K SST-20/Osram Square will reduce the blue spike further , as you can see for the 3500K spectral power graphs. The 3500K Osram Square also has even higher R9 value of close to 95. I don’t currently have the SPD/CCT for the 3500K SST-20, but expect less blue then the 4000K varient. As you can see the blue-spike at that point is no longer dominant, and more like a blue-bump. Please be careful using beamshots as the absolute definition as to what these lights will be in person. Camera settings are really easy to tweak/fudge, and can dramatically skew the view of lighted environments.

3500K is more a neutral color commonly used in offices/classrooms/malls/stores in fluorescent lighting. You’ve probably seen 3500K multiple times in passing, but recognized it simply as office lighting. 4000K is also commonly used, but that general range—3500K-4100K—for interior lighting in public spaces is pretty common. I believe Target uses 3500K in some its stores. 3000K is like halogen light. It looks quite brilliant with a slight halogen incandescent tone when seen alongside 3500K. Most cars have white halogen lighting at around 3000K with no color cast.

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Thanks both of yall. I’ll take a look at those recommended LEDs.

My next question. What type of optics should I look for. I’m looking for a really focused beam pattern without much of a corona. I’ll repost the link from above to give yall an idea of what I am looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyb7u_XyIiY. What degree of optic would accomplish this best? To be a little more specific, let’s say at 18”, I’d like a 100mm beam. I’m assuming I will need a TIR lens but do yall have some decent guesses as to what degree is needed? I’m happy to buy a few and figure what works best.

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Buy one of these and tune or replace the battery if it’s too heavy or too weak:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Dental-product-for-dentist-lamp-r... It runs an XP-G2 at 450m mA. The supplied battery (2×18650) lasts all day long. They also have a wireless one.
I’m using it with MO Optics 4x Vinkep loupes (highly recommend them) and a selfmade Nanjg AK-47A 1× 18650 Battery at 1 A. I wouldn’t want less light. The 3400 mAh 18650 drains in about 2:30 but is easy to change. I’m looking into upgrading to a 2S battery with a buck driver for more endurance though.
best Phil

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I’m guessing he’s already bought something since this thread is 9 months old.

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Why no blue?
I mean, i assume you’d want real daylight white, maybe a tad to the warmer side, so 4000 to 5000K color tempreature.
Now it’s true that most LEDs have a spike in the blue, and a lack of cyan, although that’s not really noticeable in real life, but there are also LEDs that have a more flat spectrum on that area, like the Nichia Optisolis, which happens to have a maximum rated output of what seems to be normal for dentist headlamps (around 50 Lumen).
With a pebbled 30 to 45° TIR optic, i think you’re very close to what you desire.

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jigsaw wrote:
I’m guessing he’s already bought something since this thread is 9 months old.

Ah… right… Facepalm
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Not quite sure of that – he asked for help on a DIY light. My own DIY scuba diving light phase lasted 15 years and started back when 50 W incandescent bulbs with IR reflective coating were the hottest tech. (-;

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@hitoakge asked about my current loupe light (wich is a modified version of this: YND headlamp) via pm. I thought I’d answer here, as it might be interesting to others too.

I did ask Mr. Liu from YND about the LED before I bought one – he told me it was an XP-G2 and I later confirmed that when I disassembled the light.
The stock LED driver is inside the battery housing and when I changed to the AK-47A I 3D printed a new housing for a single cell.
The light handles 1A reasonably well – I measured a maximum of 82°C on the housing – I added some thermal paste to spread the heat better as there was some hard white stuff with bubbles under the led and no thermal paste on the threads of the optics. I guess I’ll have to exchange the LED much earlier than usual but that’s easy.
I ordered a 20mm buck driver limited to 1A that’s using NarsilM firmware from @lexel and plan to print a 2×18650 or 2×21700 housing for it.
The current housing looks like this:

the beamshot in the middle is the one from the YND light at 45 cm distance. The right one is with the new driver but different optics. The left one is this: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-Rechargeable-dental-...

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Thanks for the info! You said the right light had a new driver (1A) but also different optics? What optics are you using? Also that 3d printed battery holder is awesome. I wish I could do that, but I just started learning about making this light just recently lol. I was also looking at the luxdrive buckpuck driver, but it looks like the one you use is much smaller and can fit into the battery casing better?

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It took some time to finish the new light but it turned out very satisfying. I redesigned the housing from scratch in onshape cloud CAD software, which is free and great. (onshape file)
I used @Lexel ‘s custom 1A 20 mm buck driver, 2× 21700 batteries with a protection circuit from a 2s2p battery pack. LED connection and charging is both done via the USB-C port (non standard wiring)

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Wait, did you make that whole thing and design it? if you did then, wow – it’s really good! Well done!
You should enter it in the old lumens competition really.

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@quics, Thanks for sharing your excellent results, that holder looks great.

i might suggest to add some buttress support to the pin holder since that is a highly loaded area based upon the many broken belt clips i have experienced—the clip gets torqued when the device snags on a chair or edge of table, etc.

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Hey guys sorry to revive an old thread.
I am also looking to make my own dental loupe headlight, because I get some flickering while filming with the one I have.

Any idea which LED I should buy?

I also have a 3d printer at home to make some parts if needed.

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Hi, could you help me with a similar project?

I already have a structure, I should just change the led and maybe the lens.

I indicate the site:

https://budgetlightforum.com/node/77434#comment-1761811