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probably more ideal if you’re in the country side, but if you’re in a more suburban area, you still need a leash just in case theres other people or dogs walking by, sometimes they like to complain, and you also need your poopy bags, so having 2 lights and all that other stuff is a bit inconvenient sometimes.

Quote: “…you still need a leash just in case theres other people or dogs walking by…”


Omg, the L word. I have been holding my breath while keeping up with this thread, turning cyanotic around the edges, waiting to see if a cogent,  astute person would ever mention it.


The lack of the L word is why I don’t walk in the countryside without a gun on my hip and a GoPro camera strapped to my head. And also why I don’t walk in a suburban area without a gun on my hip and a GoPro camera strapped to my head. Same with walking out my door to check the mail or take out the trash. Twice, in walking halfway around the earth at its equator, 12,000 loose dog infested miles in a nice residential suburban neighborhood, I was forced to be required to control somebody’s loose dog, because they decided they did not have to. And they did not like the way I did it, either. Same old song, sung a thousand times per hour just in one country: “He never showed any sign of aggression.  I wonder what could have gotten into him.” Because it’s a loose dog, that’s why!


 


 

I guess the U.K. is a heck of a lot different from Arizona. No need for cameras or guns when you step out your door here. Although I struggle to believe it to be true of Az either…..

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I’m using a IF25a for walking the dogs at the moment, but find it a little small. As others have said, it lights up 100m no problem. I don’t let the dogs off the leads (sheep+farmers+shotguns), but if I needed a little more throw then a C8F, which is what I used before the IF25a. I also like to have a second flashlight like a TIP on my flat cap or SP40 if a woolly hat. Helps when picking the poop up. I made my wife a single mode S2+, 350mA, XPG3. She prefers it to everything else.

If there are owls about, I might take a GT Mini, C8, or L2, just to keep an eye on them. Without the flood though, I’m more likely to stand in something.

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I believe in leashes. I’ve got one on every flashlight I have except for most of the headlights. I’ve had way more than my fair share of encounters with dogs in automobiles, motorcycles, bicycles, horses,and on foot, you name it. But I’m not a firm believer in leash laws except for those in city and congested environments. And obviously aggressive dogs ,or any dogs shouldn’t get more than one strike or bite. The last bit is an oversimplification but you get the drift. Maybe not. The environment and the type of dog and the size of the dog and the temperament of the dog are not a one size fits all mandatory leash law as far as I’m concerned. And we’ve had to retrieve our dogs from the dog pound/jail in the past and paid the fine. In both cases it was because people were walking by with kids and the dog followed them playfully and got a half a mile from home and other people put a leash on it and called the dog Warden. They would have made their way back home if it weren’t for people thinking they were doing a good thing. Then I just stamped my name and phone number on on the back of the dog tag and no more jail time. Again location, type of neighborhood, speed and amount of traffic vary widely.YMMV

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richbuff wrote:

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probably more ideal if you’re in the country side, but if you’re in a more suburban area, you still need a leash just in case theres other people or dogs walking by, sometimes they like to complain, and you also need your poopy bags, so having 2 lights and all that other stuff is a bit inconvenient sometimes.

Quote: “…you still need a leash just in case theres other people or dogs walking by…”


Omg, the L word. I have been holding my breath while keeping up with this thread, turning cyanotic around the edges, waiting to see if a cogent,  astute person would ever mention it.


The lack of the L word is why I don’t walk in the countryside without a gun on my hip and a GoPro camera strapped to my head. And also why I don’t walk in a suburban area without a gun on my hip and a GoPro camera strapped to my head. Same with walking out my door to check the mail or take out the trash. Twice, in walking halfway around the earth at its equator, 12,000 loose dog infested miles in a nice residential suburban neighborhood, I was forced to be required to control somebody’s loose dog, because they decided they did not have to. And they did not like the way I did it, either. Same old song, sung a thousand times per hour just in one country: “He never showed any sign of aggression.  I wonder what could have gotten into him.” Because it’s a loose dog, that’s why!


 


 

im not gonna go into depth to talk about how theres different dogs (not dog breeds, dogs), and more importantly different dog owners, i think its pretty common sense these days to not generalize anything in any category.

i dont know why you seem to keep running into apparently rabid dogs that just come at strangers to ATTACK, but i have never encountered such. i have encountered overly friendly and not well trained dogs that come at me and stand up to try to paw at my torso, which is admittedly very annoying, and ripped my $800 jacket once, but i dont see that as harmful. what i do see as harmful is the fact that a lot of owners with no ability to reliably recall their dogs still let them wander around loose, just because THEY think their dogs wont be aggressive, and then our dogs end up fighting, and usually their dog gets hurt, and they blame my dog, a german shepherd, because, well, usually they are small dog owners, they think their tiny dog cannot hurt anybody, so if anything happens, its always the big dog’s fault. but what they dont realize is that because they dont train their dogs, the dogs tend to be aggressive towards other dogs, cuz they think they are king of the hill or some shit. and big dogs, some have some patience, some have none, but even those with patience, if the owners dont call their dogs back, the big dogs definitely will not deal with that kinda aggressive provocative barking. so of course they gonna bite your head off. and they are seen as the aggressive one, such bullshit.

of course all of this can apply to big dogs as well, it applies to all dogs that have been been properly trained, i just personally seen more cases of untrained smaller dogs because the owners think they can handle them even if they act out, so they spoil them and let them do their thing.

anyway, went a bit off topic here, my point is, i dont think a gun is necessary for loose dogs even if they do come at you, chances are they are just friendly without boundaries, a swift kick is more than enough. i have never seen any dog be aggressive towards a human without any provocation. im not saying it cant happen, but unless they have rabies, i really cant imagine that happening.

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Even for something as simple as dog walking needs can be completely different. I walk late at night in a 100+ year old neighborhood. I need to see sidewalk heaves, ice, the poop of course, etc. I don’t want to disturb my neighbors so don’t use any more light than I need to. Favorites for this are a Ti3 V2 clipped to a cap, and SP40 on its band, or a TH20 clipped to my coat. Any of these do what I need very well. However, there are some foxes that I have needed to move along, times when I want to see what is 100 meters or so away, etc. My current EDC, SC31 Pro takes care of that very well. Usually my winter coat will have a C8 in the pocket and that throws a bit further. As others have mentioned more than one light is good;-)

Have been fortunate in that the only off leash dogs we have encountered just wanted to join us for the company. My 100lb Rottie doesn’t have a point to prove and I think even other dogs find our Cojack cute;-)

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Even for something as simple as dog walking needs can be completely different. I walk late at night in a 100+ year old neighborhood. I need to see sidewalk heaves, ice, the poop of course, etc. I don’t want to disturb my neighbors so don’t use any more light than I need to. Favorites for this are a Ti3 V2 clipped to a cap, and SP40 on its band, or a TH20 clipped to my coat. Any of these do what I need very well. However, there are some foxes that I have needed to move along, times when I want to see what is 100 meters or so away, etc. My current EDC, SC31 Pro takes care of that very well. Usually my winter coat will have a C8 in the pocket and that throws a bit further. As others have mentioned more than one light is good;-)

Have been fortunate in that the only off leash dogs we have encountered just wanted to join us for the company. My 100lb Rottie doesn’t have a point to prove and I think even other dogs find our Cojack cute;-)

your sc31 pro can let you see 100 meters out?? are you sure its not 100 feet? mine sees about 100 feet tops. i mean sure the light can maybe reach 100 meters, but no way it can light up the area to let me see if its a skunk or a ferret or cat or something

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niajef wrote:
do you need SMOOTH ramping? or can it be stepped? cuz i been using ft03 for a bit, and while the xhp version is basically perfect for dog walking purposes, i too also find the donut thing a bit annoying sometimes

Do you have a hole in the beam on your FT03?
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Throw is SO subjective… but with my SC31 Pro ON TURBO, at 100 yards… I’d be able to tell a skunk from a cat or dog IF It’s moving. That said, I’d have a hard time at that range with say a possum Vs. a skunk sitting still, looking at me. It’s all in how they move at that range where the SC31 Pro is pretty done with any real definition (color). But at 50 yards, it’s pretty good in my use anyway. YMMV.

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do you need SMOOTH ramping? or can it be stepped? cuz i been using ft03 for a bit, and while the xhp version is basically perfect for dog walking purposes, i too also find the donut thing a bit annoying sometimes
Do you have a hole in the beam on your FT03?

technically yes, its noticeable enough that you can visibly see it, but its not noticeable enough to be overly annoyed by it.

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Throw is SO subjective… but with my SC31 Pro ON TURBO, at 100 yards… I’d be able to tell a skunk from a cat or dog IF It’s moving. That said, I’d have a hard time at that range with say a possum Vs. a skunk sitting still, looking at me. It’s all in how they move at that range where the SC31 Pro is pretty done with any real definition (color). But at 50 yards, it’s pretty good in my use anyway. YMMV.

maybe in total darkness, but in my area, i have occasional street lamp and house lights from nearby, so its barely noticeable after 50 yards.

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Thing is, you will have to sacrifice something, since its always a tradeoff.

Its either throw (Far) Flood (near) or a tradeoff somewhere in between (with any variance towards throw or spill)
You cant have all.

I think the emisar D4 or D4s would be a good choice, since it has a Tir with multiple LED’s but it lacks USB charging (Hank, are you reading this?)

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niajef wrote:
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Throw is SO subjective… but with my SC31 Pro ON TURBO, at 100 yards… I’d be able to tell a skunk from a cat or dog IF It’s moving. That said, I’d have a hard time at that range with say a possum Vs. a skunk sitting still, looking at me. It’s all in how they move at that range where the SC31 Pro is pretty done with any real definition (color). But at 50 yards, it’s pretty good in my use anyway. YMMV.

maybe in total darkness, but in my area, i have occasional street lamp and house lights from nearby, so its barely noticeable after 50 yards.

Just did google maps on a school that I have tested the SC31Pro Turbo on. Maps has it at 367 feet. Perhaps I wouldn’t know if it were a cat or a skunk but I could see well enough at that distance to know it was a critter and not a rock;-) This is standing under streetlights not total darkness. Mine is the 6000K version FWIW. Agree that 50 Yards much more visible. Now that I have that measurement I am going to have to try again to see just how well I do see and how much difference from the XP-l HI C8.

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Throw is SO subjective… but with my SC31 Pro ON TURBO, at 100 yards… I’d be able to tell a skunk from a cat or dog IF It’s moving. That said, I’d have a hard time at that range with say a possum Vs. a skunk sitting still, looking at me. It’s all in how they move at that range where the SC31 Pro is pretty done with any real definition (color). But at 50 yards, it’s pretty good in my use anyway. YMMV.

maybe in total darkness, but in my area, i have occasional street lamp and house lights from nearby, so its barely noticeable after 50 yards.

Just did google maps on a school that I have tested the SC31Pro Turbo on. Maps has it at 367 feet. Perhaps I wouldn’t know if it were a cat or a skunk but I could see well enough at that distance to know it was a critter and not a rock;-) This is standing under streetlights not total darkness. Mine is the 6000K version FWIW. Agree that 50 Yards much more visible. Now that I have that measurement I am going to have to try again to see just how well I do see and how much difference from the XP-l HI C8.

hm…i may do that too, i only used it a few times outside cuz usually i walk my dog with ft03 or v6, but ima try with sc31 pro tonight and see how it goes. i mean at 100 meters, def you can see if something is moving, but to be able to tell what it is, i have my doubts for now

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Thanks for all the suggestions. They give my lots to look at and to research.

Tonight I took 3 torches with me. A Q8, a Convoy C8 SST20, and the Nightwatch Stalker.

The Q8 gives a really nice wide beam so you get lots of peripheral vision. On turbo it appears to throw pretty well – until you turn the C8 or the Stalker on.

Unfortunately, just using the C8 or Stalker gives you a more ‘tunnel vision’ effect.

Having the Q8 and the Stalker on at the same time was really nice – excellent throw and excellent spill. Not very practical though.

I used to dog walk wearing a wide beamed head torch and a C8 in my hand. That was a pretty good combination . Perhaps I need to revert to that if I can’t find anything that fits the bill.

You can never have too many torches........just not enough darkness

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niajef wrote:
Zappaman wrote:
Throw is SO subjective… but with my SC31 Pro ON TURBO, at 100 yards… I’d be able to tell a skunk from a cat or dog IF It’s moving. That said, I’d have a hard time at that range with say a possum Vs. a skunk sitting still, looking at me. It’s all in how they move at that range where the SC31 Pro is pretty done with any real definition (color). But at 50 yards, it’s pretty good in my use anyway. YMMV.

maybe in total darkness, but in my area, i have occasional street lamp and house lights from nearby, so its barely noticeable after 50 yards.

Just did google maps on a school that I have tested the SC31Pro Turbo on. Maps has it at 367 feet. Perhaps I wouldn’t know if it were a cat or a skunk but I could see well enough at that distance to know it was a critter and not a rock;-) This is standing under streetlights not total darkness. Mine is the 6000K version FWIW. Agree that 50 Yards much more visible. Now that I have that measurement I am going to have to try again to see just how well I do see and how much difference from the XP-l HI C8.

omg you know what, you are so right, sc31 pro is a lot more powerful than i remembered!

this is off

this is on

the pictures dont do it justice, with my eyes, i cannot see the fence at all without the light, but with it, i can very clearly see the fence and if there was an animal around there, i think i should be able to tell what it is too! and that fence is easily over 50 meters away, i would say maybe 60-70! and technically i can see past that too, not too well, but if something is moving, i can def spot it, so ya…pleasantly surprised!

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“I’d appreciate any comment or suggestions.”

comment: we have had four dogs. headlamps work the best for us.
suggestion: carry TWO of your choice. a mid-walk failure is not fun.

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Chicken Drumstick wrote:
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niajef wrote:
probably more ideal if you’re in the country side, but if you’re in a more suburban area, you still need a leash just in case theres other people or dogs walking by, sometimes they like to complain, and you also need your poopy bags, so having 2 lights and all that other stuff is a bit inconvenient sometimes.

Quote: “…you still need a leash just in case theres other people or dogs walking by…”


Omg, the L word. I have been holding my breath while keeping up with this thread, turning cyanotic around the edges, waiting to see if a cogent,  astute person would ever mention it.


The lack of the L word is why I don’t walk in the countryside without a gun on my hip and a GoPro camera strapped to my head. And also why I don’t walk in a suburban area without a gun on my hip and a GoPro camera strapped to my head. Same with walking out my door to check the mail or take out the trash. Twice, in walking halfway around the earth at its equator, 12,000 loose dog infested miles in a nice residential suburban neighborhood, I was forced to be required to control somebody’s loose dog, because they decided they did not have to. And they did not like the way I did it, either. Same old song, sung a thousand times per hour just in one country: “He never showed any sign of aggression.  I wonder what could have gotten into him.” Because it’s a loose dog, that’s why!


 


 

I guess the U.K. is a heck of a lot different from Arizona. No need for cameras or guns when you step out your door here. Although I struggle to believe it to be true of Az either…..


It’s not true of Arizona or anywhere else.
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do you need SMOOTH ramping? or can it be stepped? cuz i been using ft03 for a bit, and while the xhp version is basically perfect for dog walking purposes, i too also find the donut thing a bit annoying sometimes

Do you have a hole in the beam on your FT03?

I know what he is talking about. I find the flood on the FT03 to be annoying because I use it just for the flood. I’d rather that it didn’t light up the area close to me so much but for dog walking where someone said they wanted throw and flood it does seem appropriate.

I think the lighted dog harness paired with a small basic floodlight would be a good choice. You just need to know where the dog is rather than be able to light up the world between the walker and the dog.

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do you need SMOOTH ramping? or can it be stepped? cuz i been using ft03 for a bit, and while the xhp version is basically perfect for dog walking purposes, i too also find the donut thing a bit annoying sometimes
Do you have a hole in the beam on your FT03?

technically yes, its noticeable enough that you can visibly see it, but its not noticeable enough to be overly annoyed by it.

Wonder if I got lucky with mine. Just tested it now and I have to hold it this close to something to get a hole in the beam.

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niajef wrote:
probably more ideal if you’re in the country side, but if you’re in a more suburban area, you still need a leash just in case theres other people or dogs walking by, sometimes they like to complain, and you also need your poopy bags, so having 2 lights and all that other stuff is a bit inconvenient sometimes.

Quote: “…you still need a leash just in case theres other people or dogs walking by…”


Omg, the L word. I have been holding my breath while keeping up with this thread, turning cyanotic around the edges, waiting to see if a cogent,  astute person would ever mention it.


The lack of the L word is why I don’t walk in the countryside without a gun on my hip and a GoPro camera strapped to my head. And also why I don’t walk in a suburban area without a gun on my hip and a GoPro camera strapped to my head. Same with walking out my door to check the mail or take out the trash. Twice, in walking halfway around the earth at its equator, 12,000 loose dog infested miles in a nice residential suburban neighborhood, I was forced to be required to control somebody’s loose dog, because they decided they did not have to. And they did not like the way I did it, either. Same old song, sung a thousand times per hour just in one country: “He never showed any sign of aggression.  I wonder what could have gotten into him.” Because it’s a loose dog, that’s why!


 


 

I guess the U.K. is a heck of a lot different from Arizona. No need for cameras or guns when you step out your door here. Although I struggle to believe it to be true of Az either…..


It’s not true of Arizona or anywhere else.

Glad to hear it. Last time I was in Az was 1996!

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Chicken Drumstick wrote:
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do you need SMOOTH ramping? or can it be stepped? cuz i been using ft03 for a bit, and while the xhp version is basically perfect for dog walking purposes, i too also find the donut thing a bit annoying sometimes
Do you have a hole in the beam on your FT03?

technically yes, its noticeable enough that you can visibly see it, but its not noticeable enough to be overly annoyed by it.

Wonder if I got lucky with mine. Just tested it now and I have to hold it this close to something to get a hole in the beam.

!https://i.imgur.com/JWPp5QFh.jpg!

Had same issues, didnt know it is normal. Great explanation:
https://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1716739#comment-1716739

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do you need SMOOTH ramping? or can it be stepped? cuz i been using ft03 for a bit, and while the xhp version is basically perfect for dog walking purposes, i too also find the donut thing a bit annoying sometimes
Do you have a hole in the beam on your FT03?

technically yes, its noticeable enough that you can visibly see it, but its not noticeable enough to be overly annoyed by it.

Wonder if I got lucky with mine. Just tested it now and I have to hold it this close to something to get a hole in the beam.

!https://i.imgur.com/JWPp5QFh.jpg!

really? mines more noticeable farther away, closer actually looks better…you should shine it on a white wall, thats not a good test, yours looks green lol

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really? mines more noticeable farther away, closer actually looks better…you should shine it on a white wall, thats not a good test, yours looks green lol


Low current I think all the XHP50’s have a tint shift. As least all I’ve seen. Higher current the whiter they get. That was also ramped well down so as to get the hole more visible on camera.

No white walls in my house and I wasn’t tall enough to see the hole on the ceiling. Further away beam looks great. Literally you have to be closer than 6” to get the hole to appear. Same as many of my other lights.

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I use Astrolux FT03S and MF01S for night walks with my dog.They are quite large but still fit in pockets and it’s hard to find something better of this size.

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 im not gonna go into depth to talk about how theres different dogs (not dog breeds, dogs), and more importantly different dog owners, i think its pretty common sense these days to not generalize anything in any category. i dont know why you seem to keep running into apparently rabid dogs that just come at strangers to ATTACK, but i have never encountered such. i have encountered overly friendly and not well trained dogs that come at me and stand up to try to paw at my torso, which is admittedly very annoying, and ripped my $800 jacket once, but i dont see that as harmful. what i do see as harmful is the fact that a lot of owners with no ability to reliably recall their dogs still let them wander around loose, just because THEY think their dogs wont be aggressive, and then our dogs end up fighting, and usually their dog gets hurt, and they blame my dog, a german shepherd, because, well, usually they are small dog owners, they think their tiny dog cannot hurt anybody, so if anything happens, its always the big dog's fault. but what they dont realize is that because they dont train their dogs, the dogs tend to be aggressive towards other dogs, cuz they think they are king of the hill or some shit. and big dogs, some have some patience, some have none, but even those with patience, if the owners dont call their dogs back, the big dogs definitely will not deal with that kinda aggressive provocative barking. so of course they gonna bite your head off. and they are seen as the aggressive one, such bullshit. of course all of this can apply to big dogs as well, it applies to all dogs that have been been properly trained, i just personally seen more cases of untrained smaller dogs because the owners think they can handle them even if they act out, so they spoil them and let them do their thing. anyway, went a bit off topic here, my point is, i dont think a gun is necessary for loose dogs even if they do come at you, chances are they are just friendly without boundaries, a swift kick is more than enough. i have never seen any dog be aggressive towards a human without any provocation. im not saying it cant happen, but unless they have rabies, i really cant imagine that happening.

Only people who walk seven miles per day, 11,500 miles in four and a half years get ambush attacked by their neighbors loose Shepherd breeds? How about No, as the correct answer to that question. Just because a dog licks its owners face, does not mean it will not viciously attack a pedestrian when it is allowed to be loose. Dog owners make the tragic, fatal mistake when they let their friendly dogs run loose and suddenly the same old song every six seconds in the USA: “He was always so friendly, I don’t know what could’ve gotten into him”. Every six seconds. Lives tragically destroyed because a so-called friendly dog was allowed to be loose. Every six seconds. I don’t carry flashlights to protect myself from loose dogs, and I don’t carry guns to illuminate the darkness. Twice, in 11,500 miles, I did not use a flashlight to avoid immediate need trauma hospitalization. Instead twice, with 1/10 of a second to spare, I used a gun. I don’t know how a human being could possibly be more scared than when he is ambush charged by a growling, snarling Shepherd breed. 

 

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-quick-statistics.php

“Homeowners insurers paid out $797 million in liability claims related to dog bites and other dog-related injuries in 2019.”

“Dog attack victims suffer over $1 billion in monetary losses annually. JAMA reports this estimate to be as high as $2 billion.“ 

 

“There were 4 times as many dog bite-related ED visits and 3 times as many hospital stays in rural areas than in urban areas in 2008.

Emergency Department Visits and Inpatient Stays Involving Dog Bites, 2008 - Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ), November 2010

 

“Each day, over 1,000 persons are treated in hospital emergency departments for nonfatal dog bite-related injuries.

Nonfatal Dog Bite-Related Injuries Treated in Hospital Emergency Departments - United States, 2001 - Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2003

Back on topic: a nice dog walking flashlight for use when walking your dog on a 6 foot leash does not have to be a large, heavy weight flashlight.  A small, lightweight flashlight will work just fine. Just pick the light you like, and for the love of God, put your dog on a leash!

Not to brag or anything, but I'm kind of a big deal to my flashlights.

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Maybe you live or walked in areas where people train their dogs for fights or some shit, i have never heard of, let alone encountered, a dog being aggressive towards humans for no goddamn reason, and no amount of statistics is gonna convince me of that, cuz it doesnt provide any context whatsoever.

Can it happen? Yes, but theres always gonna be a reason, rabies being the most obv one, another big one is small dog owners holding their aggressive dog in their arms, that could cause fights that lead to the owner getting injured in the process for trying to protect their dog. Since u dont have a dog with u, it could be you giving a bad vibe, or doing something that trigger them, or the dogs themselves had bad history with people that either looked like u, or smelled like u or anything along those lines, and those people gave them ptsd. Whichever case, there is ALWAYS gonna be a reason. Any responsible dog owner will attest to this.

I personally know my dog will never be aggressive towards humans, but i also never met anybody being aggressive or provocative towards him, so i dont know how he would act in those scenarios, regardless though, if my dog is off leash, and if he starts running towards u, hell even if he starts biting u, u better not pull out ur gun on him, cuz if u do, u best believe one of us is going to jail for murder tonight. I will always believe in my dog that it was something you have or did that set him off, and judging by ur stories, statistics isnt exactly on ur side, considering how many dogs were aggressive towards u, and how many men and women my dog ignored while running around offleash. So even if he does bite u, ill pay for all the medical bills, but i aint apologizing for shit.

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Also, since u had gopro, feel free to post the video leading up to those two attacks on you by loose dogs. Lets see what happened.

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Everydog should be able to run free at times. They need it for their mental health and happiness.

I can tell that my dog is far happier running around off lead, chasing squirels or flushing out a pheatsant. Keeping a dog on a lead all the time would be like never letting a child play. anyone who’s never had a dog would not understand this.

But having a dog comes with responsibilities. You need to train your dog so that you have some sort of control over it when neccessary.

I know my dog, and I know the only reason he’d show aggression towards a person would be because he was really terrified by them.

In the UK most dogs are family pets. Not many are trained as guard dogs or livestock protection dogs, so we generally don’t have issues over here with dog attacks.

I agree with the previous poster – If someone hurts my dog, I will hurt them.

You can never have too many torches........just not enough darkness

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I seen dogs on leashes that would probably rip my throat out if gotten loose. Thats why I consider those aggressive dogs and their idiot owners same way if someone would point a loaded gun at me. I dont take it kindly. Nobody should.
Good thing I have only seen those kinds of dogs twice in my life, most owners are smart enough to train their dogs and be responsible owners, but there is always some idiots.

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