I am looking for a 800 plus meter thrower with at least 4500 lumen. More would be better. X9l is closest I could find. 18650 batteries would also be fine. I’d appreciate any help with this, thanks
Astrolux FT03 XHP50.2 is 4300 lumens and has a claimed range of 735m
Probably not helpful but thrower implies single LED and getting 4500+ lumens from a single LED is rare. The FT03 mentioned above is the closest i can think of.
What’s the reason for specifying required lumens? It doesn’t mean much as it can either go into a larger hot spot or into more spill giving quite different beams.
Hello Sdeen,
When posting requests for recommendations, I would suggest you include the limits (either it is a soft or hard limit) of your budget allocated for this purchase.
I guess, you might want to use more than 0.25 lux illumination at 800m, even if the throw numbers are specified for that illumination limit. So, if somebody gets a 1600m thrower, that implies 1 lux illumination at 800m, which is more useful in practice.
Given your total lumen output requirements, that would limit the flashlight emitter choices to Cree XHP70.2 (relatively cheap, but less throwy) and Luminus SBT90.2 (has a very good throw, but the emitter itself is already very expensive).
Also, you might want to acknowledge, that if much total output is required, that will mean, that the flashlight will heat up more quickly, and the flashlight driver will reduce output soon to compensate this.
Still, flashlights with a very big body can buffer and dissipate more heat, so you can use the maximum output for more time - just these are expensive (this is why I asked about the budget).
Personally, I’d accept 1000 to 3000 lumen rather, to increase the time I can spend at/around maximum output, which could add a few more possible emitters into the hat.
Noctigon K1 SBT90.2
I think, that SBT90.2 is too powerful for the K1 (battery gets too much strain, and will age noticeably faster). Generally, Noctigon K1 is a very good flashlight, but for the SBT90.2 option, you will need a very high current 21700 battery in order to use its potential. I’d search for multi-battery flashlights if I would insist on using SBT90.2.
If the price is not a decisive factor, I would recommend Lumintop GT90 - loaded with 8 pieces of Sanyo NCR18650GA (be sure to get the batteries from a genuine source, PM me for suggestions if interested).
A cheaper alternative could be Astrolux MF04S - but XHP70.2 has worse colours in the beam.
It really depends what you mean by “thrower”. I think you could argue a thrower is not just about Beam Distance (how far away it can light something up). But more about the beam profile.
e.g.
There are flooder lights that have a greater beam distance than some throwy lights….
High lumen output as a rule won’t give much of a throwy beam profile. As you’ll need either a large LED or many LEDs to get high outputs. Lots of LEDs simply won’t give a true thrower beam profile for the most part. And a single large LED will need a large reflector.
Also, claiming you ‘need’ a set lumen output while fun 
means very little. Intended use is much more of a useful way. I find thinking of lumens is a bit like thinking or torque with engines. More is always good, but it is what you do with it that really matters. Bhp is there more akin to Cd (or throwing ability). The right setup and you can get a lot more Cd with lower lumen setups.
As others have said, something SBT-90 powered is likely a good answer. Be it a Noctigon K1 or Astrolux FT03S. But you will be needing a big reflector to get the throw. And a big reflector will give you more akin to the thrower beam profile with a tighter more intense hotspot and a duller spill beam. The SBT90 should have a bright spill, but it depends why you are needing the lumens. e.g.
Are you wanting bright even light over a wide area. Or is it about the most light on target at a given range?
A multi emitter light might work for this. I have a fairly big triple XP-L HI light. With 3 reflectors, each slightly bigger than that on a Kronos X6. The combined output gives quite good lumens and throw. I suspect if you could have 3 x Osram W2’s in there you’d have 3500+ lumens and even more throw. But I think you’d have to build something like this yourself. As I don’t know anyone selling anything remotely similar.
If you want something pocket sized. Then I think you will struggle. The FT03/K1 is probably as small as you can go for this output and still get decent throw.
What other lights do you have? And is there a specific reason or situation why you need 800m and 4500lumen? hunting, defence etc…
the reason I ask this is because sometimes people dont really understand throw and lumen.
Thrunite TN40s
Fireflies T9R SBT90
Lumintop GT94. 20,000lm, 2450m throw.
Easily meets your requirements
SBT-90.2 Astrolux FT03S. IMO should get you useable reach to that far and be able to see what you are lighting up.
Downside? Price puts you in to the $100.00 range plus or minus a 10 spot plus battery and charger.
I don’t have the K1 so I will not comment on it or any of the others. I like my Mules and quads for walls of light to 50ish yards.
I’d actually suggest the GT70.
The FT03 and K1 variants suggested probably can’t hold 4500 lumens that well, between the single cell and the heat management.
Damn, didnt know as much about flashlights as I thought. I got into flashlight 6 months ago. I’m a gun guy but all this panic has prices nuts. I now have astrolux FT03, both versions, GT mini, Astrolux 5000 lumen c8, Convoy L21 1200 meter thrower, manker u22ii and a couple smaller convoys. The FT03 with higher lumen is the closest to what I want. Dont really have a price point yet. We walk alot. One place we walk is pretty open but pitch black. I want a light not much bigger size wise as the FT03. The FT03 with higher lumen is almost good enough. I would like something as bright or brighter that throws more. I dont need “turbo” more than a few seconds here and there. I’m ok if it gets hot. I really liked the beam shots of the noctigon with the sbt90.2 in it, but I would like it to last a bit. I have several dii 21700 and 18650. 40T, P42a, 30t.
That fireflies’ T9R also looks perfect. Noctigon or fireflies, is one or the other know for best quality?
Noctigon is well known and usually good quality. I don’t own any Fireflies, but have no reason to doubt them.
Although, as others have said, any single battery SBT90 of this size is going to have limited runtime and heat management. I suspect they will perform similar enough.
If you want to sustain the output, you might want to look at larger lights with multiple batteries.
The Convoy L6 with the XHP70 might be another option. Likely to be able to sustain the output better IMO.
You want throw while still using 18650s? Acebeam W30.
Don’t need 5000lemons for a throwy beam like that.
Noctigon for quality, Fireflies is sometimes a hit and miss. I was a dealer in New Zealand but ditched the brand after receiving my first bulk shipment with a lot of issues. Even though these new models look amazing, I’m not going to take that risk. The very first box I opened was an E01, just the head without the body tube, manual etc and it didn’t work, a faulty unit that was sent to a dealer.
Even though many others never saw the issues I had with mine, it was like the factory workers have next to no QC.
Out of 24 units
4pcs ROT66 G2 had very sharp ridges inside the battery tube I had to sand down
1pc E07 really stiff switch
2pcs E01 - 1pc head in a box, 1pc led wouldn’t turn off
1pc PL47G2 switch led half working
6pcs PL47G2, 2pcs E07 had cut orings I had to replace with some spares off another Sofirn model. Quite a few others reported the same issue with the oring getting cut when closing the tail cap
4pcs E01 had a different UI then what was advertised
Never again
The only way Jack offered to replace those two faulty E01 units was with my next order, so it’s my loss as I don’t want to ever order again.
Might want to wait for Convoy’s new model with 3x 21700 with SBT90.2
This is a great recommendation. I liked the first one so much I bought a second one.
A little bit smaller is the HK 90. I like the first one so much that I got two of them. Anytime you want both more power and more throw, you’re gonna need a bigger flashlight.
Multiple emitters for more power: Yes. But, if you want more throw along with that, you’re gonna need a larger head diameter. That’s why we have larger flashlights. To get both more power and more throw both at the same time.