JKK76 7*SFT40 and 7*SFN55.2

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I guess so.

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For example, the base price of his dual channel D4s is ¥328 = $49.63 on Taobao, while it’s $64.89 on his website. The international markup is 30% which is not unreasonable.

I just read that product description on Taobao and this base price of ¥328 already includes W1, LH351D, stainless steel bezel and magnetic tailcap. These all cost extra on his official website. I guess I should have bought them on Taobao lol.

I wouldn’t feel too bad, Hank started actually listing lights very recently (perhaps only in the last week). Before, the 1元差价 item used for payments was the only thing in the store.

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Ah okay so that is what the ¥1 listing is for…. very nice! So do we just list down all the customisation in Chinese text, send him a message using the chat and hope for the best?

I don’t know if he would be the one monitoring Taobao customer service. Most users on Taobao speak Chinese so I suppose you’d likely get a Chinese speaking customer representative. If you have additional customization, they should tell you if you need to add some more money to process the order.

I’m also not sure if Singaporeans would get the Taobao price since he would have to ship internationally.

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From the Taobao app itself I can order his lights and it will be consolidated at a shipping warehouse and send straight from China (either Guangzhou or Hangzhou warehouse) to Singapore.

I have done this a couple of times (bought many different products on Taobao) so I think he should be able to fulfil my order since he only need to arrange for the domestic shipping from his place to the warehouse.

My only concern is how difficult would it be to order a custom light since I never tried communicating with a Chinese customer representative.

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Tested the 3000k version of the SFN 55.2. Got 21000-22000 lumens thereabouts.

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BTW, just to share some more data.

Luxmeter on the phone. Ceiling bounce.

JKK76 SFN 55.2 6500k doing 180 in one of the middle modes (around 2k+ lumens)
Amutorch DM70 XHP 70.2 doing 205 in one of the middle modes

After 10 minutes, the Amutorch is significantly cooler to the touch both at the head or body vs the JKK76, despite the Amutorch pumping out more lumens.

No time / skills to do runtime though. But i suspect the Cree is quite a bit more efficient than the chinese emitter. But then one must also remember that i believe you do lose some efficiency with dedomed emitters or something like that? I remember such a case with the BLF Q8 with the XP-L and Sofirn Q8 with the XP-L HI. Not a lot but i remember there is a small difference. The XHP 70.2 is not dedomed, obviously, while the SFN 55.2 is dedomed.

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JKK76 7x SFN55.2 looks like my step up from the Astrolux EC06. Would have preferred 4-21700 cells as this beast is drawing on max 90-100 amps according to the charts. It doesn’t so high amp cells it is. 690 grams plenty of heat sinking mass, 200 more than the EC06.

Bro, read my above post regarding the JKK76 vs Amutorch DM70.

It does seem that the JKK76 really draws that much current/energy in order to pump out that much lumens. Hence the heatsinking is used up rather quickly as well.
Of coz, the Astrolux EC06 also would not be that efficient at say 25k lumens OTF.

Regardless, the silver body ver of the JKK76 is really sexy. Even my non flashaholic parents, parents in law, kids and wife all said so. They all said WOW. Crown
That alone, IMO, is a winning money shot, regardless of any -ve it’d have. Cash
I believe that is the same with the Mateminco MT18X.

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JKK76 7x SFN55.2 looks like my step up from the Astrolux EC06. Would have preferred 4-21700 cells as this beast is drawing on max 90-100 amps according to the charts. It doesn’t so high amp cells it is. 690 grams plenty of heat sinking mass, 200 more than the EC06.

Bro, read my above post regarding the JKK76 vs Amutorch DM70.

It does seem that the JKK76 really draws that much current/energy in order to pump out that much lumens. Hence the heatsinking is used up rather quickly as well.
Of coz, the Astrolux EC06 also would not be that efficient at say 25k lumens OTF.

Regardless, the silver body ver of the JKK76 is really sexy. Even my non flashaholic parents, parents in law, kids and wife all said so. They all said WOW. Crown
That alone, IMO, is a winning money shot, regardless of any -ve it’d have. Cash
I believe that is the same with the Mateminco MT18X.


I’ve got the Amutorch DM70 and it gets hot just running one short turbo. Too expensive to just swap LED’s and only the XHP50’s would work. Still questing for the next lumen monster.
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I’ve got the Amutorch DM70 and it gets hot just running one short turbo. Too expensive to just swap LED’s and only the XHP50’s would work. Still questing for the next lumen monster.

Yes that short turbo would be around 35-40 secs at say 25 deg C. I just ran the JKK76 SFN 5.2 and DM70 70.2 again for 30 seconds in turbo, then let it sit for another 30 seconds. Both flashlights head/body are around the same temperature ballpark despite the JKK76 having nearly 200g higher mass. Lower modes are even worse for the JKK76, say both at around 2000 lumens, not sure why……maybe it’s driver efficiency or what. Luckily i am not really into runtimes or longer duration usage and this light has USB-C……if this does not have USB-C (eg Amutorch DM70) then it’d really be ughhh..

Only difference is that the DM70 has a handle, so i think it might be a bit more useful when in the highest non turbo mode, ie 4th setting. Esp in my tropical country.

So that is why i posted that it wouldn’t really be much of a step up from your EC06, they are literally all in the same ballpark IMO.

Lumen monster….
I already knew of the Imalent MS12 mini about 1.5 months ago when i purchased these 2 JKK76 and DM70, that then is a true step up from the JKK76/DM70….definitely. I can get past 60k lumens with these 3 lights that i have of coz, but then i’d need 3 hands. lol.
I don’t mind paying the cash for this MS12 mini for fun (still expensive, but not overly so for the performance and active cooling with 3 fans), only issue is that it has a battery pack. You are a 2012 BLF member and perhaps you have been playing since CPF days in the early 2000s, i think you know what i mean. I am still using lights with xm-l, xpg and xpe, they are still usable. Crown
edit – heck i still have my DRY triple xm-l direct drive. lol

But the Imalent ms12 mini in 8 years 10 years 12 years time ? Just gonna be a paper weight, and the packs are gonna be $$$ even if the coy is still around and did not EOL this particular 4pcs 21700 pack.

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So with this can style ight should I go flood (sfn55.2) or throw (sft40)?

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So with this can style ight should I go flood (sfn55.2) or throw (sft40)?

Really depends on what you’ve got and what is your interest and usage man, it’s a tough call. I think the hotspot size of the SFT40 would be similar to my Sofirn Q8 pop can (5k lumens, 100kcd, times 3 of this and focus at the same spot and it’d be the JKK76 SFT40). The usage of my Sofirn Q8 is rather limited in my city area, other than ceiling bounces for more diffused illum.

But then your usage might be different from mine. Some people like throw more, some want something in between, some prefer more flood. Actually at 150k cd thereabouts, the SFN 55.2 can throw a fair bit as well.

Besides i’ve already gotten the Haikelite HT50, 6k lumens and 500kcd confirmed by me and some other users, so that part is covered. This one is just 1/3rd the price of a JKK76 w/SFT40, before the price on TB went up.

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If the JKK76 SFT40 is at say rmb 488 on TB like the first launched price of 428 rmb sfn 55.2 version, i might just get this as well. lol. Unfortunately it’s not. I like soda can lights a lot, find them practical for my usage and the pants that i always wear, no need for holsters. I still remember those 3 cell lights like the Trustfire TR-j18 etc. Those are really …. Facepalm

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Say, does anyone know what the manufacturer of the SFX LEDs is?

I might be interested, since it seems like they might be making a 3/6V 5050 LED, which would be really interesting to have as XHP50 alternative, not just XM-L2.

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This will be my first soda can light, I like the gimmicky usb charger out and as I’m really looking for a wow effect. My only other lumen monster is an astrolux ft02s with xhp50.2 so I’m hoping this jkk76 will blow that away.
As far a throw King, I have the c8+ with w1 and a sbt90.2 so I’m looking for something to top those. It’ll also be my first sft40 I guess.

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Say, does anyone know what the manufacturer of the SFX LEDs is?

I might be interested, since it seems like they might be making a 3/6V 5050 LED, which would be really interesting to have as XHP50 alternative, not just XM-L2.

I think it is San’an Optoelectronics. Luminus is a wholly owned subsidiary of San’an by the way.

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fogofwar wrote:
BlueSwordM wrote:
Say, does anyone know what the manufacturer of the SFX LEDs is?

I might be interested, since it seems like they might be making a 3/6V 5050 LED, which would be really interesting to have as XHP50 alternative, not just XM-L2.

I think it is San’an Optoelectronics. Luminus is a wholly owned subsidiary of San’an by the way.

I think the sfn55.2 are 7070 which are xhp70.2 comparable as where the sft40 are 5050 comparable to the xhp50.2 but more throwy

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I see. I’ll have to find a way to contact them directly as an invidual then.

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I see. I’ll have to find a way to contact them directly as an invidual then.

For your 5050 I hear they go by p50 or sfq55 and sfn43.

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But I don’t think they can make that special unicorn led that you’re looking for, 90cri+ and neutral k

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Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if they could make it with my specifications at all.

One thing that I’ve learned throughout my adventures and electronic experience is that as long as you don’t change the silicon floorplan to do something semi-custom(such as a completely different series/parallel arrangement), it’s fine asking for different optical characteristics since that’s outside of the chip fabbing process.

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Loafglenn wrote:
This will be my first soda can light, I like the gimmicky usb charger out and as I’m really looking for a wow effect. My only other lumen monster is an astrolux ft02s with xhp50.2 so I’m hoping this jkk76 will blow that away. As far a throw King, I have the c8+ with w1 and a sbt90.2 so I’m looking for something to top those. It’ll also be my first sft40 I guess.

Luckily Jinheng provides a usb c to usb c cable as well, so no need to spend $$$ again to get one.

Wow, with your current lights, it’d really be a toss up between the SFT40 or SFN 55.2 versions. Good luck on your choice. lol.

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fogofwar wrote:
Oh you are in China? This is his Taobao store (you need the cell phone app or login via the website to open it up):

https://m.tb.cn/h.fIVQmDJ

Can international customers order from here? I have debit gift cards which I can’t use on PayPal to order from his website since they are geo restricted to my county

What payment options are available on Taobao? Maybe I’ll look and see if I can use those gift cards there

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supreme wrote:
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Oh you are in China? This is his Taobao store (you need the cell phone app or login via the website to open it up):

https://m.tb.cn/h.fIVQmDJ

Can international customers order from here? I have debit gift cards which I can’t use on PayPal to order from his website since they are geo restricted to my county

What payment options are available on Taobao? Maybe I’ll look and see if I can use those gift cards there

I got gifted a few $25 Amex cards and I found you can use them through PayPal but it takes 10 cents for the verify so you’re only able to spend $24.90. I asked hank if i can get a light and do a few small payments that would eventually end up to the actual cost of the light but i dont think he understood and just told me to go through with the order on his site. But ymmv.

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I’ve got the Amutorch DM70 and it gets hot just running one short turbo. Too expensive to just swap LED’s and only the XHP50’s would work. Still questing for the next lumen monster.

Yes that short turbo would be around 35-40 secs at say 25 deg C. I just ran the JKK76 SFN 5.2 and DM70 70.2 again for 30 seconds in turbo, then let it sit for another 30 seconds. Both flashlights head/body are around the same temperature ballpark despite the JKK76 having nearly 200g higher mass. Lower modes are even worse for the JKK76, say both at around 2000 lumens, not sure why……maybe it’s driver efficiency or what. Luckily i am not really into runtimes or longer duration usage and this light has USB-C……if this does not have USB-C (eg Amutorch DM70) then it’d really be ughhh..

Only difference is that the DM70 has a handle, so i think it might be a bit more useful when in the highest non turbo mode, ie 4th setting. Esp in my tropical country.

So that is why i posted that it wouldn’t really be much of a step up from your EC06, they are literally all in the same ballpark IMO.

Lumen monster….
I already knew of the Imalent MS12 mini about 1.5 months ago when i purchased these 2 JKK76 and DM70, that then is a true step up from the JKK76/DM70….definitely. I can get past 60k lumens with these 3 lights that i have of coz, but then i’d need 3 hands. lol.
I don’t mind paying the cash for this MS12 mini for fun (still expensive, but not overly so for the performance and active cooling with 3 fans), only issue is that it has a battery pack. You are a 2012 BLF member and perhaps you have been playing since CPF days in the early 2000s, i think you know what i mean. I am still using lights with xm-l, xpg and xpe, they are still usable. Crown
edit – heck i still have my DRY triple xm-l direct drive. lol

But the Imalent ms12 mini in 8 years 10 years 12 years time ? Just gonna be a paper weight, and the packs are gonna be $$$ even if the coy is still around and did not EOL this particular 4pcs 21700 pack.

I learned the hard way, no expensive lights for tomorrows paper weight or relic. I spent lots for a 1700 lumen 6.4 amp quad xpg P60 dropin, now much less for much more even just on P60 dropins. So no $300 lights to be beaten by $60 lights next year. I’ll wait for the $60 one. Efficient LED’s over high output ones. XHP50 and 70 have won the lumen per watt race that keeps heat down.

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And now the crees are coming out with .3 that’s making for more high cri rendering.

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Ok, so I’ve contacted San’an.

Let’s see how they respond Cash

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Loafglenn wrote:

I got gifted a few $25 Amex cards and I found you can use them through PayPal but it takes 10 cents for the verify so you’re only able to spend $24.90. I asked hank if i can get a light and do a few small payments that would eventually end up to the actual cost of the light but i dont think he understood and just told me to go through with the order on his site. But ymmv.

I have enough to do one large payment. Hank’s website with PayPal is probably setup to accept payment the same way AliExpress does as a foreign transaction which is probably why mine didn’t go through.

Haven’t looked into this too much since 519A are taking a while to get to Hank

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supreme wrote:
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Oh you are in China? This is his Taobao store (you need the cell phone app or login via the website to open it up):

https://m.tb.cn/h.fIVQmDJ

Can international customers order from here? I have debit gift cards which I can’t use on PayPal to order from his website since they are geo restricted to my county

What payment options are available on Taobao? Maybe I’ll look and see if I can use those gift cards there

It would be hard and probably not worth the trouble unless there are cheap, established freight forwarders servicing your country. The Singaporean in this thread has used a freight forwarder with success.

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I just bought myself the SFT-40 version and if it’s too throwy for my taste I’ll replace one or two of the LED’s with LH351D or something

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But the Imalent ms12 mini in 8 years 10 years 12 years time ? Just gonna be a paper weight, and the packs are gonna be $$$ even if the coy is still around and did not EOL this particular 4pcs 21700 pack.

I learned the hard way, no expensive lights for tomorrows paper weight or relic. I spent lots for a 1700 lumen 6.4 amp quad xpg P60 dropin, now much less for much more even just on P60 dropins. So no $300 lights to be beaten by $60 lights next year. I’ll wait for the $60 one. Efficient LED’s over high output ones. XHP50 and 70 have won the lumen per watt race that keeps heat down.

Yep. I just checked ali, Imalent is asking for just under usd200 for its 4 * 21700 pack. what the…. Very sure that disassembling the pack without destroying it and soldering back on new cells is beyond my expertise, coz Imalent for sure would wanna protect this cash cow. Something like inkjet printer cartridges. lol.

If not, the Imalent ms12 mini is pretty decent. i guess we just have to wait for some budgetlight maker to drop in 7 or 9 pcs of the Cree into their hosts. ie Amutorch, Nightwatch or JKK. Issue is that the market for this wont be huge in China, they do support these domestic LEDs.

NW
https://shop241682067.taobao.com/shop/view_shop.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.71af...

Jinheng
https://shop65268295.taobao.com/shop/view_shop.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.71af2...

Amu
https://amutorch.taobao.com/shop/view_shop.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.1997196...

There is one more semi decent one but not into high output flashlights.
https://dodota.taobao.com/shop/view_shop.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.199719660...

On the Road also have decent hosts/lights, but a bit lagging on its emitter options and most importantly its price sucks.
Haikelite is a neither here or there, but his HT50 @ rmb 198 doing 500kcd and 6k lumens then before the price rise is very good.

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