Coronavirus **personal experiences** thread

I´m afraid it is just like You noted here:

_But another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.

That’s because the ME’s office is not testing dead bodies for COVID-19. Instead, they’re referring suspected cases to the city’s health department as “probable.”_

This makes me sad. Even reported numbers are high enough :frowning:

And before anyone poopoos that as “conspiracy theory”, consider going to a doctor or hospital with vs without insurance.

With insurance, they’ll order almost every test imaginable that’ll be covered, and charge full freight.

Tell them up-front you’ll be paying out of pocket, and they’ll be more judicious with tests and treatments, and even offer you the “cash discount” of half or less.

Back when the company I worked for didn’t offer dental insurance (but offered you the option to pay your own premiums), I calculated my typical yearly costs vs 12× the monthly rate, and it was worth it to do without. Went to the dentist, said I was paying out of pocket, and paid in full at a steep discount (50- or 75bux, something like that).

Sooooo, yeah, when someone’s just blindly signing the checks, and you get to fill in the amount, there’s powerful incentive to make that number as large as you can get away with.

Mmmmm, nope. 100,000 lemmings can’t be wrong. :laughing:

mediabiasfactcheck.com is not exactly unbiased or reliable either, though I won’t go into the details. The best is to spend the time to do your own fact checking and apply critical thinking instead of simply believing what the news article wants you to believe. Saw some great examples of critical thinking today in this thread.

With that said, I agree Fox News is not exactly an unbiased or reliable news outlet.
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1240131226268323842

I've learned on this thread that I need to check my sources too! That being said, snopes.com is another biased site that pretends to only tell the truth.

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Really?

My mom uses and recommends that site all the time.

They are one of the really good ones for mostly truthful but they push the agenda still so not a 100% trusted source where it counts. J

example?

Your just waiting for it aren't you! This will turn this thread ugly in a heart beat so do your own research and figure it out for yourself.

I feel the same about Snopes. While it is much better than mediasbiasfactcheck.com, I have found some inaccurate facts, possibly with the intent to push certain agendas. I still use it occasionally because it is the best out there other than doing my own painstaking fact checks.

There are no unbiased sources. As long as humans are running them they will have the bias of the humans. And when AI runs them, they will have the bias of the humans that programmed the AI. There is no perfect solution. I read the news sources that tell me what I want to hear. And I’m happy with that. At least I’m honest about it. Everyone else does the same thing, only lies to themselves that their preferred source is unbiased.

Reality is overrated anyway. That’s why people argue about it all the time. We each live in our own and fight over whose it right.

True that. That is what is dangerous about picking sources that reinforce your beliefs. Everything becomes a propaganda fog. I am seeing this death conspiracy theory popping up all over the internet now. It all originated one place. Let’s all at least agree that something is killing people at a higher than normal rate. Or is that the next one.

This may be the best/honest/truthful post on this thread of near 2500.
Propaganda, it’s not just for breakfast anymore.
Well done Sir!

The “explanation” is attempting to discredit the entire validity of the PCR tests, rather than suggesting improvements to sensitivity or specificity. The last sentence of “Do you see where this is going yet?” seems to imply nothing is going on.

The German doctor/politician states this explicitly: “Without PCR tests there would be no reason for special alarms. We are currently not measuring the incidence of coronavirus diseases, but the activity of the specialists searching for them.” Note that he does not refer to COVID-19 because he just groups it as one of the many coronaviruses.

One of the German doctor/politician’s strongest arguments was that “Official mortality statistics show normal curves” along with a link and screenshot of the data from the European monitoring of excess mortality (EuroMOMO), which showed nothing out of the ordinary. In fact he still claims it. That is, if the mortality is the same, then detections of COVID-19 are just creating panic by giving a new name to diseases from which people were already dying in the past. i.e. nothing new going on.

At the time, refuting this would perhaps be unconvincing to some: the reason it wouldn’t show up in mortality curves is because the total numbers of deaths were still very low considering how early it was in the pandemic, but the worry was the exponential growth.

That was three weeks ago (week 11 2020). That post/screenshot has since been removed, though not the claims. Care to guess what EuroMOMO shows now?

For the curious, and especially anyone who doubts the existence of COVID-19 or thinks there is a high false positive rate of the tests, I encourage comparing the EuroMOMO per country charts with the list of countries at COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer sorted in descending order by total deaths. You will find that each country that has a spike in mortality lately is also a country that has a high number, and per capita rate, of COVID-19 deaths. How much clearer does it need to get?

If only. Perceptions vary wildly in how accurately they reflect reality. When those perceptions drive actions that affect others, those “own realities” strangely converge into one inescapable reality.

Misinformation will undoubtedly kill people. Taiwan is an example that it is completely preventable by taking the issue seriously, which not only saves lives but the economy too. The irony is that the denials end up prolonging and aggravating the problem. That’s one reason why I think the recent optimism about the reduction in case rates is premature, and my money is where my mouth is.

Given the choice, most people will always take the blue pill anyway.

If anyone cares to look it up, there’s a video interview between Dr. Jensen and the local Fox station. That’s where some of the info came from. Don’t trust Fox? By all means, listen to the good doctor firsthand and judge his demeanor. Read up on his background, too. I’d hope that his appearance of a Fox station instead of some other network would not create “guilt by association.”

That’s all I want to say about it. Sorry, folks, I took the red pill and I’ve been a fright ever since. :zipper_mouth_face:

NBC News is good, right? Florida vegetables rotting in fields Due to current restrictions, no workers can be found to pick the fruits and vegetables in Florida. This problem will march northward into Georgia and other states within the next month. Never mind the money aspect of lost crops; the question is, what repercussions will this cause in the food supply chain?

We really need to get back to normal in the next couple of weeks at most.

Post #2500!

(at the moment)

We're on COVID-19's timeline.

It's not on ours.

We should get back to normal when everything is safe to do so, and not a minute sooner.