DC power station?

I’m thinking about adding a power station to my build to power/charge lights and electronics as well as a future fridge and possibly an electric blanket or pad. All the power stations I’ve found are expensive and have limited capacity. While solar may be a future addition, I’m not planning to add that right now so I’m looking for something simple, economical, and with enough capacity that I don’t have to stress about running out of power for most trips. I’m also not looking to commit to a full-on dual battery set-up right now.

Enter this gem I found on the internet: https://us.ecoflow.com/products/delta-3-plus-portable-power-station, https://iallpowers.com/products/allpowers-1500w-portable-power-station

Does anyone have any hands on experience with one of these?

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Naw, nothing that big.

I got one of the original Rockpals, and later a similar one. The Rockpal is “lithium”, so probably stacked 18650s or whatever, and the other one is LFP.

Both less than 200WH, but 300W AC output.

They work fine for me, but I don’t stress 'em out or anything.

Have a nice time here, fernslkara!

I don’t have experience with either one of those models, only with the Allpowers R600 (299Wh LiFePO4) power station.

Since you already consider the Allpowers brand, you might also look into the ‘comparable’ brand VTOMAN. The FlashSpeed 1500 is currently on their website listed for $ 579,- (on Aliexpress tipically even cheaper), which is close to the price of the Allpowers on the link that you posted, but with a ~50% higher capacity and safer (and more cycles) LiFePO4 batteries.

But what is also a big advantage for the VTOMAN: they sell extra battery packs that can be directly plugged into their power stations, for competitive prices compared to a fully functional power station with the same capacity. If you ever discover that ~1500Wh is not enough, you can double that to 3000Wh with an extra external battery pack, to keep using your existing power station.

I haven’t done deep research into the VTOMAN products, but from a quick search, I got the first impression that they build decent power stations for their price point.

So maybe an idea to look into that brand too, given the possibility to expand the total capacity later on, for a competative price.

EDIT:
I just did a quick search on Aliexpress and the FlashSpeed 1500, shipped from the US(!), could be had there for ~$ 470,- and with coupons (like in this topic: All valid AliExpress coupons, (updated regularly) - #34 by patricxa47) you can get quite a bit more off even.

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807087821676.html

An extra battery pack for the FlashSpeed 1500 is also quite a bit cheaper on Aliexpress (around $ 250,-) and also that could be brought down further with the current coupons. This one is also shipped from a US warehouse:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808022186751.html

I’m not familiar those models specifically, but I have 2 EcoFlow units (plus a battery) for apartment “backup”.

Capacity planning is everything. Here’s a spreadsheet from YT channel City Prepping to get a ballpark idea of what’s needed.

There are multiple YouTube channels with reviews and recommendations. LMK if you want links for more research.

I got into the Ecoflow system a few months back. I have a Delta 2 Max and ad on battery for ~ 4200 WH of battery. Bought a River 3 Plus and the bigger external battery. ( 572Wh). I got it mainly to use a a UPS for my network gear.
The units work well. I like the River 3 as the main unit is relatively small and light, It separates from the external battery easily and uses no cables. The external battery has a USB C port good for 140 watts in or out. SO you can charge it independently of the main unit and use it as a standalone supply (but with only a single USB C port.)

As others have said it really depends on you power needs. How much max power with everything at once, for how long? Something else to consider is the input and output connectors. How many AC ports will you need? How many USB ports and their power level. Do you need DC 12V out/ How many ports at what power level?
Then consider how fast the unit will charge. I have a couple of 1000 WH units that only charge at 100 watts. Obviously they will take a long time to charge. My delta 2 Max charges at up to 1800 watts. IIRC with the external battery connected the River will charge at around 650 watts. 380 watts for just the main unit.

If you plan to get solar, it is worth looking at the solar input charging rate as well. Does the unit have an MPPT solar controller. A couple of the cheaper “off brand” units I have use a simple PWM controller which is not nearly as efficient.

How important is portability? The Delta 2 Max is 50 pounds and around 100 pounds with the extension battery. The River 3 is surprisingly small and light. About 10 pound for the main unit and 9 pounds for the battery.

So far, I like Ecoflow. Customer service has been responsive and they have released frequent software/firmware updates. Their phone App is nice too (do you need an app?)

Oh and warranty. Ecoflow has a 5 year warranty on their gear.

Anyway a few things to consider.

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Thank you. That helps a lot …

I hope that it does! I’m certainly not saying that it’s better than Allpowers (I haven’t done enough research to be able to make such a statement), but VTOMAN is more or less competing in the same price segment as Allpowers, so it might be worth looking in to them.

The fact that VTOMAN has extra/seperate battery packs for their existing power stations, doesn’t mean that you have to also buy those, but I like the idea that when you find out that the current capacity of your power station turns out to be insufficient, you’re able to expand it (and keep using the system you already have), instead of having to buy another/different bigger capacity power station. And if you end up with a power station + extra (capacity) battery pack, you always have the choice to only take the (more compact) power station with you in case you know that it has enough capacity, but when you know you need more capacity, you can also bring the extra battery pack. If you would have 1 (very) big power station, you would have to haul that around, even when you don’t need all that capacity.

By the way: Ecoflow offers the same kind of options/system, so that is also a plus for them. (There are also a lot of brands that don’t offer this ‘option’/system.) Again, you don’t have to an extra battery pack from the start, but to me the idea of having the option of extending the system you’ve already invested in, in case it turns out you do need more capacity, feels like a good idea.

While I’m talking about Ecoflow anyway; Ecoflow is a more established/wellknown (and premium, in a good way) brand. From what I’ve heard/read over the years it seems that they make really solid and well functioning products. I’ve got no personal experience with it, but the impression I get is really good.

The reason I personally would prefer an LiFePO4/LFP system over a ‘regular’ Li-ion power station (based on 18650 batteries for example), is that they are more suited for (fully charged) longer term storage (with little self-discharge), also a bit more resistant to lower/cold temperature and they can handle way more charge/discharge cycles before they reach the ‘80% (of original) capacity’; so if you use them quite often, they should hold their capacity longer than ‘regular Li-ion’. Besides that, they are (way) safer/less likely to cause potential problems (explosion/fire, for example) than regular Li-ion based battery packs/power stations. The only downside of power stations with LiFePO4 batteries, is that they have lower energy density than Li-ion batteries (so a bit more weight than a Li-ion power station with the same Wh capacity) and normally also a bit more expensive ‘per Wh’ than Li-ion power stations. (LiMnFePO4/LMFP batteries partially solve those ‘downsides’ of the current LFP batteries, but are not widely used yet.)

But as others have stated, and @Mandrake50 mentioned in more detail, make a lot of calculations of what you actually want to power with a power station and for how long, but also how many appliances/devices. It might turn out that you already quickly drain your power station.

Personally, the reason I’ve bought the Allpowers R600 (299Wh) power station, is that it was cheap enough (on sale) at that moment and therefore worth it for taking a (entry level) look if it was something I would like/can use and maybe later on decide to invest more in a proper/bigger power station/back up system, with the current smaller system still being a useful “power bank” for USB devices, etc.

On a side note: currently there are some sales on Aliexpress for the Tallpower V2400 power station (2160wh, LiFePO4 batteries), which is the lowest priced 2000+wh power station I’ve seen on Aliexpress over at least the past 6 months. Besides the fact that I haven’t checked reviews/experiences about it, those really low offers (around € 475,-, possible coupons not included), they are shipped from EU warehouses, so (probably) don’t apply for outside the EU. But if you would be willing to buy from Aliexpress, it might be worth looking/searching if they also have similar offers on that power station for your region. Potentially an attractively priced (entry level) 2000+wh option.

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