Do you have some suggestions for the new vapcell charger?

A few additional comments on my lightful behalf:

I have been dealing with and experimenting with standard li-ion cells for quite a long time now, and concerning the BU-808 li-ion battery care information provided in Battery University all I can say in a nutshell or in summary is that it absolutely works.

The magic voltage figure to maximize li-ion cells' lifespan is 3.92 V (for 4.2 Vmax cells), which in terms of proportions or ratio it is 14:15.

I installed a new quality battery cell in my smartphone in june 2019 (bought it second hand, and soon noticed that its previous user gave a very bad treatment to the stock battery), and have been using dedicated software to limit its state of charge to a maximum of 65%, and even to set a hard limit to its charge voltage and current. Smartphone batteries are high voltage types, and I limit my 4.4 Vmax smartphone battery voltage to 4.106Ģ… V -14/15-). I use my smartphone quite a bit and its battery still has excellent health. I like my stuff to last for ages. O:)

Comparatively speaking, the battery of my very old laptop always lived in a full state of charge or at maximum voltage, as I didn't know better many years ago, and anyway there was no proper software to limit battery voltage or state of charge in anyway. For this reason the health of its battery deteriorated very quickly. I don't know how other people is doing in this matter with laptops, but my guess is that overall they would say that laptop battery life sucks.

What has been said concerning maximum voltage and cycle life only applies to the usual 4.2+ V li-ion batteries: Li-Co, Li-Mn, Li-NMC and Li-NCA. It does not apply to LFP (lithium iron phosphate or LiFePO4) or LTO (lithium-titanate).

No, its not the same with other ā€œrechargeable batteriesā€ or battery chemistries.

Please seriously consider adding the option to fully select the battery charge voltage, fully. With this I mean that if I want 3.92 V, let me choose it, and if I want 3.45 V, let me choose it; whatever! This way you satisfy all customers, no matter if they want 4 V, 3.92 V, or whatever as I say.

I also have to say that automatic charging current selection sucks, because the charger does not know battery capacity and also cannot measure battery internal resistance properly (because no 4-wire measurement in the slots). So, manual charging current selection is usually best. You could for example start with a more or less ā€œsafe for most cellsā€ current value, like 500 mA, and cycle upwards through a few selectable values: 500, 1000, 2000, 3000, 50, 125 and 250 mA. This list has 7 values, the same your S4+ charger has, but with a 50 mA value which could be handy for tiny cells like 10180s or when there's no hurry at all.

And never trickle charge li-ion cells after charging is finished. In fact, removing all trickle charge routines after charging is done is the best you can do, whether for li-ion cells or for Ni-MH. DON'T trickle charge! :| Consumers want devices which makes their lifes easier. For example, I may want or it may happen that I leave my cells in the charger for days, weeks, months or whatever, without having to worry if I left the charger powered on or off. For this reason, absolutely minimize any cell drain in the slots (your S4+ will discharge small cells in a few weeks), don't drain the cells in the slots below 2 V (I don't know if this happens in your chargers right now, but I say it just in case), and don't trickle charge.

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Yes. I agree with everything you said, especially a FULL charge cutoff upon charge termination (for all lithium chemistry cells)!

A big display! I find cycling between slots using a button highly annoying. (At minimum you could have automatic cycling option with adjustable time.) But still it’s no substitute for seeing all data at once and numbers need to be bigger, generally. Everyone doesn’t have the same eyesight.
-Another related idea would be a bluetooth or (even better) wifi app. I know developing an app adds to cost but maybe it could be open source! The basic functionality is super simple: just send like 50 values from the charger. This allows a huge display (still need one on the charger though) and also graphing, data logging etc.
-The spring slots on all chargers I’ve ever used are annoying. :smiley: Because moving the cell or charger at all can cause it to disconnect/reset. So you don’t dare touch anything or rotate a cell to look at the label, for example. This needs a redesign! (Old ni-cd chargers from 50 yrs ago had the exact same stamped-steel, slide/spring design. :D) Also, that would make for more reliable accurate voltage measurements.

I don’t mind paying $5 more for better quality. $35 vs $30 or $45 vs $40, at the end of the day, this is an investment that will last 5+ years.

Yes :slight_smile:

Skyrc ahve a cycling change of values, not optimal but still one of the better solutions

Customisable cutoff voltage (or at least an option for 4.1V as opposed to 4.2) for saving cycle life

Discharge mode (both to optimal storage voltage for the chemistry and to empty, also ideally to a selectable voltage if possible) with USB-C output

Better voltage measurement and calibration in general (a lot of chargers end up off by 0.5-1V), user-adjustable calibration

Not compromising build quality to save a few dollars. I’m happy to pay more for something that will last

Adjustable display brightness

It doesn’t even need an app with the associated full development cycle per se - all it really needs is to expose an API over the bluetooth interface, so that an app can be built after the fact even if it’s a community effort.

I definitely need 12 Volt power input for mobile solar and car charging. Preferably input voltage range about 12 to 18 volts so less risk of over voltage damage.

Cut off at 4.1 Volt for maximum cycles would be very useful .

I have the 4 bay charger it works great.I was told some time ago by a representative of Vapcell that there is a 8 bay version coming. I see a 10 bay? I would like to see a charger that could handle 4 26650 batteries at once even 4 26800 would be great. Faster discharge would help for all bays. Storage mode also would be a good addition

Make a good charger with 2 & 4 independently slots that can handle all the the cylindrical batteries on the market… with all the good features that we all know… and the customers will back up… !
I have a very good charger for 10+ years and it’s working like a Champ, just recently i opened it up and i did a little cleaning inside and i put little thin grease on the sliders ! At the time when i bought it whas the best - expensive charger on the store and i didn’t know anything about it yet … ! My only real issue is that i can’t charge AAA & AA batteries, and i would like to have all the good - new features !
I think you can get my point of view… !?

I really like the fantastic readable display of the S4 Plus. I think I already wrote I want to see important infos for all slots, but additional state LEDs for all slots would be very welcome.

On my Skyrc NC2200 I see from a big distance if a cell is finished or still in action.

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Is the new S4 Plus V3 out on stores anywhere yet?

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Very good question.
@vapcell_Dennis , as asked in another thread, can you provide specific information on how to buy one of these today?

My suggestions:

1A Discharge for every slot with NiMH should be possible without fan. My Skyrc NC2200 and Powerex MH-C9000 Pro can do it and both are smaller

States, at least one or two values for every slot, switchable or self cycling (like Skyrc)

If used a PSU like the S4+ have, a longer cable from the Power cord would be very nice.

Would be Also nice :slight_smile:

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LCD 26800 battery charger expected to be released next month

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The full charge voltage of the charger can only be around 4.20V, which can cause customer complaints if it is too low or too high. Each customer’s needs are different

For the same charger in the same slot, generally speaking, the larger the internal resistance of the battery, the lower the full charge voltage, such as 4.18V. For low internal resistance batteries, such as 30T, the full charge voltage may be 4.21V

A super charger similar to the MC3000 is still being developed and hopes to be launched maybe next year. The 26800 chargers will be very common, and the 26950 is expected to require magnetic charging accessories to assist in charging, :grinning:

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In the future, many vapcell chargers will be compatible with 26800, with larger sizes, and some will also be compatible with 32700/D batteries

It’s a big guy

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At present, there are few complaints about this situation in vapcell chargers

I think this is a basic function that can fully charge the battery

This is a high-power monster charger

We will be interested in developing a 100W USB-C that would be very lightweight if it could charge the charger. There are many problems that need to be solved here

Thank you for your suggestion

Do you think the static voltage is a real-time display voltage after being fully charged? It is a controversial voltage, and the full charge voltage of the battery varies over time, which may cause customer complaints from general customers because it is not 4.20V

If you want to see the actual voltage of the battery, remove it and place it back in the slot, it will display the actual battery voltage

S4 PLUS V3.0 has upgraded its storage function, which will also be included in many future analysis chargers

S4 PLUS conventional USB output 5V 2A, this is for emergency use only. The charger is too bulky, and the battery power may be insufficient, resulting in an output of around 5V 1A