Everyone Should OWN A GLADIATOR

You see that’s called being a responsible gun owner. Being ex military myself I do see the value in proper ownership of a legal firearm, yet you don’t see me constantly carrying around a gun or lobbying to carry in church or school because I realize there are appropriate times and places where a weapon may be desireable like for example carrying in a vehicle.

But then again how many people actually do make it out regularly to real security training (target practice doesn’t count), firearm sporting events, and deal regularly with high stress life or death situtations? Short of police and ex-military, which make up less than 1% of the general population, I’d say the typical gun owner is far under prepared and is the most likely to be carrying a gun out of paranoia and most likely to pull it out to play hero or over react due to insufficient training. That’s when trouble happens, those are the ones who give gun owners a bad name, and those are the ones adding to the ever growing pile of statistics that tends to back up my assertions.

And I’d say it is atypical for the average gun owner to participate in all those firearms training and sporting events. Why? Because take a look at the numbers. Statistics when used properly are very telling. currently about 19,000 IDPA members. Currently about 200,000,000 private individual gun owners in the US. And you’re telling me all those gun owners are security trained? Please.

Actually I want a bigger one, at least 4S.

Gladiator is 4S. It just contains three dummy cells for convenience, so that you can easily throw in a 4.2V dropin.

You see carrying guns is not crime prevention. It is merely reaction. And as anyone who lives in a truly violent area would know, try living overseas where beheadings and kidnappings occur on a daily basis and no serving there is not the same as having lived there, owning a gun does not guarantee safety. In fact it is an invitation usually for retaliatory violence and the ensuing continuous violence, gang violence is a perfect example.

You don’t prevent gang retaliations by shooting gang members. You prevent it by preventing the circumstances that cause young people to join gangs in the first place. Added benefits of this policy also happen to be better economic development, overall gentrification of areas and higher property values.

If we want to reduce violence more than arming everyone to the teeth, education, true equality of opportunity and better social integration are far better uses than an endless arms race.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/national-rifle-association-nra-statistics/

If you take a running estimate from these statistics you’ll see that 200,000,000 gun owners in the US is a realistic guess. These are not from anti gun groups either these are from pro-gun, anti-gun, and neutral sources. So as more and more people get easy access to guns you don’t think there won’t be nuts out there?

You may think people who carry regularly are upstanding citizens, but from what I’ve been seeing with the type of wannabe “Spec-op” psycho gun geeks who sleep hugging their guns, a glorification of weaponry and violence is the wrong message to send to the youth.

More telling is when statistics are used improperly. A new son in law has had an unused deer rifle in his closet for 15 years which makes him a gun owner for inclusion in the denominator but not a pistol carrier for the numerator (trained or otherwise). Hopefully this is only that bad thinking leading to bad logic and bad expressed opinions and not something even more evil.

Next, drop some biases and consider all factors that make for effective fire control . . then encourage and help others instead of being a whiner. Hitting the target is gun control . . practice does count . . even practice without firing live ammo aids immensely in control of the handgun while pulling the trigger . . . most states with permits have a target proficiency requirement so they apparently understand something others do not - factors you seemingly discount as you compare rifle ownership to whoever you happen to perhaps know and dislike.

You apparently didn’t read my post above . . protecting oneself with no shots fired is retaliatory violence

Vigilantism would be - but stats on CCW are contrary to your wild assertions.

If only that were true . . our problems would have been solved in the 60s . . . people’s own low self-esteem and lack of initiative to live and raise their children differently will continue to create problems as long as people are born. Last night a CPS officer explained how nearly every case he sees the parents are mistreating and abusing their kids exactly as their parents did . . and they are all far better off in today’s environment than their parents were.

Abraham Lincoln grew up dirt poor compared to any of these thugs . . he didn’t make excuses and your acceptance of excuses enables people to continue in their ways.

I don’t accept excuses. But neither do I put up my hands and give up on solving problems and instead rely on walling myself off from the reality of harsh situations by building a personal arsenal. And neither will I take personal insults.

I never said all 200,000,000 gun owners are gun nuts as you’re implying. Many of those are for legitimate uses or are just stored rusting away. But it still leaves a lot of wiggle room to let general case nuts and psychos easy access to very high powered weaponry. If instead on focusing on gun rights, gun rights, gun rights, it would be a lot better to restrict access to guns with a more stringent process than a 14 day waiting period. Crazy doesn’t go away in 14 days.

History is always on the side of working together on the side of peace not armament. Take a look at the consequences of historic arms races. If you use the excuse that you need more, bigger, more powerful weapons to keep up with the baddies you’re on the losing side of history. How much resources were wasted on both sides of the cold war nuclear arms race? How much nuclear material disappeared from Russia during their subsequent collapse that very well could have landed in Iranian or terrorist hands?

As for living in a truly violent area I don’t think you have as much experience in that department as someone who has lived dirt poor and immigrated here from a truly desperate place. You’d quickly change your mind about sticking to your guns and their perceived security.

It was Martin Luther King Jr himself who said “An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind,” So why give everyone access to eye pokers?

Take a look at your own arguments, arguing that better fire control will solve the problems inherent with a highly armed society. It really won’t. It will only make those who really really like firearms to be better shots. It’s similar to you trying to use the straw man argument that our problems would have been solved in the 60’s with the advent of new parenting.

You’re calling people who realize the problems with an armed society that glorifies violence, that cares little for societal health and has a vast swath of the country with a lone wolf syndrome, whiners?

Every example you pretty much have given is personal anecdotes. That is the lowest form of argument because it is unsubstantiated, would not hold up in any debate, and certainly wouldn’t help anyone. Whereas addressing real and pressing problems actually does help.

If you want anecdotal evidence I can provide way more. Listen to some of the real anecdotes from refuges from some of the most violent countries on earth who had easy access to as many guns they want there and it still doesn’t make that society safer. Get out of the mindset that only YOU matter. We live in a society, the wild west days are long gone.

It is only the little mind that takes facts as insults and can only answer back with so and so doesn’t agree with you or relatively minor anecdotes that bear little resemblance to logic, historical reference, statistics, facts. If you wanna further take this down into the mud be my guest. I wasn’t the one whining to begin with. I do certainly hope you’re more careful with your guns than your words.

You really think you can simply out gun the government? You’re deluded.

It’s aweful funny that you’ll blame government for killing ancestors, but the very same attitude says it’s not guns that kill people, it’s people that kill people. So by that form of circular logic, government didn’t kill your ancestors, people killed your ancestors. Very bad people, very violent people with no regard for human life. People who perhaps shouldn’t have the ability to take another’s life so easily. So don’t blame the government when it accosts you with violence when the government as elected represents the people. Violent people, violent tendencies, violent government.

You want to give the example that the only way to survive is to be one big strong more armed nation, what next? That kind of attitude is fascist and short sighted, same type that lead to WWII to begin with. Do you really think if the Jews simply had more guns they’d win against the entirety of the German government? No they’d be wiped out with even more haste. That’s pretty much the attitude the “we need bigger guns to defend ourselves from ‘the other’ ” Look at Israel right now, you really think with all they’re weapons they’re at peace with their neighbors? Do you think all Palestine needs to secure itself is more guns to fight Israel? Please tell me your solution, if it involves more and bigger guns I’ll laugh because that’s what Israel’s been doing and besides the US they’ve pretty much lost all validity in the rest of the world’s countries opinions and by opinion polls in this country almost half of this country could care less about Israel. Remember the world is more than just the US and everyone else. Palestine wised up and besides a few religious nuts realized the way to validity and peace is to plead their case to the world that what they want is peace not guns.

I’m not talking appeasement or claiming a “whoa is me” victimhood, which was the wrong policy in WW2, but then again that view of history is starkly lacking. You do realize that by your own logic you say better planning leads to better performance, than why the massive build up of arms in the first place when better planning would have prevented the need for a massive build up of arms. Historically the build up of arms has always led to war due to an itchy trigger finger, it is only recently we were lucky enough that the soviets figured out nuclear winter was not prefereable to actual peace, that and they went bankrupt arming themselves beyond reasonable defense necessity.

And that’s where the logic lies. I’m all for rightfully defending yourself. Your property. But outgunnning the government is a pipe dream Not everyone needs a gun. That’s seriously troubling people who claim that position. How many guns are necessary? How much do we need to bankrupt ourselves on a buildup of weapons before we collapse like the USSR? When is enough weapons enough? Never enough? I shudder to think that.

Walking around, openly armed to the teeth, when nobody is breaking the law only intimidates innocent people. And that’s a big problem too many bullies as it is, it’s a societal problem. Now you want them armed too? What if those gang members were armed? You’d be dead, another statistic added to the pile that guns+violent tendencies equals death. You can’t reason with a nut with no regard for human life, but you can disarm them and prevent them access to the easy ability to kill.

All the gun rights activists want to compare Britain as being the best example why we need guns. You know, 4 times the violent crime rate and all. But the reality is even though they have more violent crime rates it still doesn’t doesn’t match the fact the US has a higher homicide rate, as it is just about 4 times the homicide rate as Britain. So the way it goes you might get robbed in Britain, but you won’t get killed for it. I’d much rather be robbed than killed and don’t want to live in a country where your survival is determined by how many rounds per second your gun shoots. Which would you choose?

And even though I am an atheist, most likely gun advocates in the US are of the Christian variety. I don’t recall Jesus say “Git sum guns and git ’er done”? No he said “Turn the other cheek,” and “”Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”. What he means with those words are peace is the way to peace, not war. The very reason why Christianity rose to prominence was advocating peace.

You want to talk historical war time strategy, go right ahead. Lets go back all the way to the definitive war time strategy guid. Sun Tzu’s Art of War, focuses as much on peace time strategies rather than useless arms build up for “defense”.

“To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.”

So don’t come in thinking that all you need to do is get big guns and violence will be solved. No it just means the enemy either gets bigger guns or gets smart enough to counter the arms race. Look at all the US’s failed wars. We got the biggest guns, yet still miserably failed Vietnam, we’re getting our butts kicked in Afghanistan, and on top of that we’re now considered the bully of the world, not a hero.

So don’t complain about ancestors being killed and slain by bully governments when you support policies that enable bully governments to get into power.

Not the neighbors that have vowed to "wipe them from the map" and preach genocide daily.

You are seriously deluded if you believe that the weapons HAVEN'T kept that very thing from happening.

If there were more Gladiators in Israel, I'll tellyawhat . . .

hankhillFoy

The gladiator is a flashlight not a Glock.

I believe that you should respect your local laws, there there for a reason. If your educated on gun safety and get a permit than your probably not going to be dumb with a gun. Here there’s a registry, and though I don’t like it. The law made those that have guns but don’t want to take a course the inability to buy ammo or more weapons. It’s helped to curb the gun violence some and keeps people like me from buying weapons I’ll never use. :slight_smile:

And you don’t think there’s just as much a population in Israel that wants to wipe Palestine from the map? Take a trip to Israel one of these days. Look at the walls, look at the encampments, the seizing of properties, the control of peaceful movement of ALL Palestinians. So which side is right? Is it the one’s with bigger guns and a better propaganda machine? If gun owners value freedom how can they possibly support a country that doesn’t allow freedom of movement, freedom of association, or freedom of speech of a population within their borders?

Considering the average American can’t even point out where Israel is on the map, they have no business talking Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Anyone with any intelligence can see right through that. And it’s especially telling when pretty much all the rest of the UN and most of the rest of the world condemn Israel’s actions against Palestinians. Israel is far and away the bigger bully in this case. Can you name any major world countries other than the US that fully supports Israel’s policies against the Palestinians?

It is ironic Israel has such a very poor track record for human rights considering why it originated.

Well, since my Mother-in-Law has an apartment there, I can go anytime I would like. Shall we meet up ?

Israel.

That was easy. Now let's get off the politics, and back to the torches, please.

Hell of a flashlight. The damn thing started a war.

Facts are worthless to you - and us - when you don’t process them correctly. Including rifle owners in a carry argument simply doesn’t compute. If an anecdote conflicts with your world view, it doesn’t make it untrue. An insult is when one insinuates it isn’t.

Next, you made crime an economic argument as if criminals are Jean Valjean of Les Miserables when the reality for most is that they are committing evil acts. Welfare has confirmed what most people have known for thousands of years. Some people will do bad things to others - not because they need a loaf of bread, but because they are envious, or worse. Not too mention that we have one of the most lenient justice systems to try and avoid injustice. If you want to keep making bad arguments, expect people to point them out.

Where you describe your past, you allude to criminal uses, not defensive and assistance to others in trouble. That is yet another correct use of a straw man argument as a irrelevant point. Yes, I consider bad logic taken from bad examples and irrelevant points the same as poor target control . . not from a lack of practice, but from a lack of listening to proper instruction.

Fortunately we have a constitution that recognizes my rights don’t come from you, but from the natural law that says our individual lives matter. For defensive uses, I’d rather be blind than dead under natural law . . while you are certainly welcome to choose dead for yourself, one doesn’t have the right under natural law to choose for others even if they have the power to enforce immoral ideas.

Read your close above and then look in the mirror.

Good post, but this is truth. Mr. Krabs is right, difficult for me to see US getting BACK to that point . . full auto wouldn’t be enough. What Mr. Krabs seems to not understand is that when the people running the government choose to do evil acts, only citizen groups with that power can avoid becoming subjects.

No. Also easy. The fact that they have had and still have the opportunity to do so, without having done so and still not having done so speaks volumes to anyone who might think about it.

LOL, I agree, but have to wonder if that reconciles all points that were raised to some form of real understanding how things work . . especially when it comes to the real but arguably necessary discrimination described as “rights” violations.

Good one!!!

…This is quite an accusation. I am a student of history and teach college level American History in the evenings, and would like more details and possible sources for this, if you would not mind.

Thanks in advance.

thats why i like bright lights.So i can see what im shooting at. :bigsmile:
If i could conceal carry i would.But i go shooting all the time so i always
have one.And no I’m not paranoid or a gangsta.Its just one of my many hobbies.
practice,practice,practice!!!