Explanation of how secondary optic affects beam/throw (translated from TLF)

How the size/shape of a secondary optic (reflector, TIR, lens, etc.) affects the beam profile and throw generated by a flashlight is a question that comes up fairly often. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a comprehensive answer to this question that is both easy to comprehend by a nontechnical audience, and factually correct. Bits of the knowledge are scattered across different places, or simply exist as folklore among those familiar with some physics…

…until now! I stumbled across this TLF post that answers this question in a comprehensive but very accessible way, requiring just some thought experiments to understand what’s going on, no mathematical heavylifting. In particular, it establishes the dependence of throw on a reflector’s frontal area, and dispels the misunderstanding that a deeper reflector focuses nontrivially better than a shallow reflector of equivalent diameter.

Here’s the post in German: Von was hängen eigentlich die Lux ab (Throw) | Taschenlampen Forum

Below is a Google-translated copy, lightly reformatted for readability. I have reviewed the translated copy for technical accuracy, and find it satisfactory.


What exactly determines the maximum illuminance (“throw”) of a light fixture?

This question comes up occasionally, but reliably. And then various, sometimes contradictory, opinions or even experiences are shared. I think this deserves a detailed explanation.

Background

Related questions:

  • What influence do the diameter and focal length of the reflector/lens have on the beam pattern?
    With reflectors, however, the focal length is never specified, and unfortunately, it’s almost impossible to determine it yourself.
  • …so, less precisely: What influence does the “depth” of a reflector have?
  • Regarding lenses: What effect does a second “collimator lens” have?

Some of this (what throw is and what it depends on) is very nicely summarized (in English) by DrJones.

I’ll elaborate further here. And even though physical relationships are essential at the heart of the matter (otherwise it would just be rambling), this text should also be interesting for those not concerned with physical laws or even formulas.

Just a quick refresher: How exactly do lux and lumens relate?
Lux only indicate how brightly a specific spot is illuminated.
Lumens indicate how much light emitted from the lamp overall, regardless of where it goes.

A good analogy is a stream of water, for example, from a garden hose:

  • Lumens correspond to how much water flows per second (somewhere).
  • Lux corresponds to how far the water stream travels.
    These can be completely independent of each other: A huge amount of water can slowly gush from a thick fire hose,
    while a small water pistol can reach a great distance. I won’t stretch the analogy any further, though.

Contents:

Part 1 - Maximum illuminance, the highest brightness in the spot.

This section deals with the “lux” that a light source achieves.

What factors determine this brightness? In short, these are:

  • the (viewed from the target) seemingly illuminated area of ​​the reflector/lens.
  • the luminance in this area - and thus that of the source (also called “surface brightness”).

Interestingly, however, they do not include:

  • the focal length
  • or, in the case of a reflector, the depth.
    These are the most common misunderstandings on this topic (and incidentally, also the reason for this text).

Now, let’s go into more detail:

a.) Apparently illuminated area

Only the apparent illuminated area of ​​the reflector/lens, viewed from the location of the light source, counts.

This article contains a few slightly outdated images that illustrate what is meant. You can see quite a few spots and holes that you wouldn’t expect. Normally, you can’t see inside.

In case of doubt, the only way to assess this and find errors is to go to the location of the light source and check it yourself from that point. You can see this area with your own eye if the lamp can be set to a very dim setting, or if you look through a solar filter or welding glass. Or if you can take an extremely underexposed photograph.

The illumination can be highly dependent on the quality of the reflector/lens curve. With larger diameters or tiny light sources, the wheat is quickly separated from the chaff. With small LED drop-ins, however, this question practically never arises.

Simple “spherical” lenses (sphere-like surfaces) can suffice, but quickly reach their limits. For small light sources, only an “aspherical” lens can guarantee complete illumination in certain cases, unless an additional collimator lens is used (see below).

With a reflector, a textured surface (“orange peel”) can cause the area to appear unevenly illuminated, with a “crumbly” appearance.

And it goes without saying that the reflector/lens and light source must be correctly aligned.

The determining factor for the seemingly illuminated area is, of course, the diameter. Since the area is quadratically related to the diameter, doubling the diameter results in a fourfold increase in lux.

With reflectors, the dark area in the center of the reflector must also be subtracted. And even if the central hole in reflectors sometimes appears prominent, it is hardly significant in most cases. For example: The SR90 reflector has an effective outer diameter of 88 mm and a central bore of 28 mm. While this is almost a third of the diameter, only 10% of the total area is lost. Such a loss is barely perceptible to the eye. However, with the overall diameter, even small differences lead to significant effects.

b.) Luminance

This is the very intuitive measure of how bright a section of a surface appears to us.

A white area on the screen simply appears brighter than a gray area. Even if the gray area is much larger than the white one (and emits more lumens overall), it will never appear white to us; it will always remain gray. (Unless an optical illusion is involved… compare “squares A and B”. [image]

The spot brightness is proportional to this luminance. Double the luminance results in double the spot brightness.

Now comes a fascinating property of luminance: This luminance does not

change due to reflection in the reflector or refraction by a lens .

(There is also a physical conservation law for this, keyword “étendue”).

However, reflection/refraction also results in losses. In reality, it is always slightly reduced. But: It can never be “increased” by a clever lens/reflector design!

This leads to the following phenomenon: Seen from the spot, the illuminated reflector/lens surface appears to have approximately the same luminance as the source itself. This is the same situation as if there were no reflector/lens at all, but one were simply being illuminated by a huge surface with this luminance. This is also the reason why, to calculate the lux at the center of the spot, only the diameter and the luminance are needed. the source (including a flat rate for the inevitable losses in glass and mirrors).

Other specifications such as the size of the light source (e.g., LED) and the luminous flux (lumens) are not directly meaningful. At most, they can be indirectly related to the luminance, but are never the sole factor. If one still wants to consider them, then all other factors must also be known.

  • With the same current or lumens, a small LED will naturally be brighter, but not every smaller LED is necessarily bright.
  • With the same LED, but only then, more lumens also mean a higher luminance.
    Small LEDs are interesting for another reason. They generate less heat overall, so this can be dissipated more effectively by the surface underneath. However, the hotter the LED gets, the lower the luminous efficacy. Well-cooled LEDs are therefore essential if one wants to achieve high luminance.
c.) Losses

Losses occur on the path from the light source through a reflector/lens.
With glass and plastic, this essentially depends on whether and how the surfaces are anti-reflective (also called “coating” or in English “AR / anti-reflective coating”).

The degree of polishing or the smoothness of the vapor-deposited coating plays a role in the reflector’s performance. The metals used have different reflectivity values, and even mirrors can, in rare cases, be coated in such a way as to improve their reflection.

Rules of thumb: 4% loss per uncoated lens or front glass surface. Only the highest quality coatings achieve 1%; typically, it’s at least 2%. Reflectors vapor-deposited with aluminum have a loss of at least 10-15%, rhodium at least 20%.

It is also possible to improve the reflection of metals with a vapor-deposited coating (see, for example , “AQ HR” at the end here ), but this is not worthwhile for our purposes.

d.) Why doesn't the focal length matter?

Question:
" If a reflector is deeper, then it captures more light, which it can concentrate. Then the spot must also be brighter! "
or:
" Two lenses with the same diameter: One has a shorter focal length. Then it is closer to the light source and thus captures more light (since, from the perspective of the light source, it occupies a larger angle). The spot must then be brighter! "

Answer:
If—with the same diameter—more light is captured, then the area around the spot benefits. The spot becomes wider, or the transition area more usable/practical. However, the center of the spot does not become brighter.

e.) What is a collimating lens

It is a small lens that is used (near the light source) in addition to a large main lens. It is used, for example, when the main lens is fixed.

Purpose 1: Light that passes laterally past the main lens is pre-focused by this lens and still reaches the main lens. More light is captured from the source. Strictly speaking, this only increases the lumens. The lux of the spot remains unchanged.

Intention 2: The main lens is not aspherical, but only “spherical.” From the spot’s perspective, not the entire lens is illuminated, but only ring-shaped zones. Whether this flaw of a spherical lens is noticeable depends on the diameter of the light source. If it is large enough, then the apparent illumination of the lens is complete. The collimating lens magnifies the light source to achieve precisely this.


Part 2 - What does the `profile' of the spot depend on? Does the focal length matter?

Exactly, in short: A shorter focal length results in a “larger” spot.

With a focused lens and an LED, this is easy to see: the image of the LED becomes larger.

With a reflector, it’s a bit more complicated because the light is essentially “diffused” through. Furthermore, the actual focal length is hardly noticeable on the reflector itself. Instead, one typically perceives how “deep” a reflector is.

And a deeper reflector, with the same diameter, results in a smaller core of the spotlight, while the mid-brightness transition zone around the spotlight becomes larger, or brighter. A clear illustration of this effect can be found at the end of this article by get-lit in the CPF.

Unfortunately, that’s all for this section.

Calculating the actual beam profile for a reflector is quite complex. And even though the maximum lux is relatively easy to calculate, and impressive figures are often involved, the beam profile is not a trivial matter; on the contrary, in practice, it is frequently a decisive factor for the usability of a luminaire.

A slightly less bright but wider spot can be much more useful, even with a pronounced thrower. Sometimes it’s even essential to have noticeable light far from the spot. This way, you always have an overview at a glance, instead of having to swivel the beam. On the other hand, with very strong throwers, side-emitting light can hit you at close range and blind you. It really depends on the specific situation.

But if you’re wondering what lux level is actually achievable, if experimental throw is simply in your blood, then you just can’t avoid the things from Part 1. sigh [image]


Part 3 - And what if you want to do the math?

I’ll write the formulas out in a descriptive way, even if it’s not very elegant. sqrt() stands for “square root of”

Candela = apparently illuminated reflector area [mm²] * luminance of the source [cd/mm²] * losses.

Circular area: (diameter / 2)² * pi .
Luminances: some are given here.
Losses: reflector 15%: 0.85, lens 10%: 0.9, front glass 8%: 0.92 or coated 4%: 0.96.

Examples with Ø70mm, luminance 50 cd/mm², reflector center bore Ø10mm, normal front glass

  • lens: (70/2)² * 3.1416 * 50 * 0.9 = 173 kcd
  • reflector: (70/2 - 10/2)² * 3.1416 * 50 * 0.85 * 0.92 = 111 kcd

ANSI range (0.25 lux) = 2 * sqrt (candela), because lux = candela / distance².

You can start and stop discussing this topic anywhere. Let’s just get started. I’m looking forward to your ideas and opinions. There will be many more interesting points that also belong here.

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I find that piggybacking off pre-established concepts paradoxically often limits general/expansive progress even though it provides focus…like gasoline vs. batteries. Building wider vs. taller kinda thing.

I don’t believe the authors considered Wavien collars when they mentioned reflectors vs. brightness. Increasing the apparent brightness of a source to then project that image through a secondary/tertiary optic could increase the lux of the projected beam. It’s not necessarily “brighter” overall, but the source would appear brighter because the source image WOULD be brighter because the scattered spill would be reflected back onto the die.

**wanted to add that the Wavien is not an original idea, and piggybacks off the inspiration of when an arbitrary light source reflects onto an LED via the flashlight reflector and illuminates the LED phosphor, thus LEADING to the inspiration of capturing wasted light from the source spill to reflect back onto source and thus increase its surface brightness. However, like most stolen ideas, they can never tell you their actual practical inspiration, and instead focus on the resultant mechanisms as “inspiration” because it’s more “scientifically relatable”. Again, not that YOU in particular have done this, but the modern scientific/technological community as a whole does this…without crediting the inspiration, they’ll inevitibly hit dead ends.

The author did not need to. A Wavier collar is essentially a modification to the emitter that decreases its optical size while holding the output somewhat unchanged. Nothing here breaks the physical principles described in the original article; in particular, conservation of etendue is not broken because the angle of emission has narrowed.

It is much easier to think about things when you hold one of the variables (emitter, secondary optic) constant while changing the other. The article mostly describes what happens when you hold the emitter constant and change the reflector.

If you want to change the emitter and hold the reflector constant, then Part 1, section (b) of the article describes what happens from the point of the observer/target: the reflector “makes more copies” of the emitter if you shrink the emitter, fewer copies if you enlarge the emitter. If output is held constant, then the intensity changes proportionately to the “number of copies”, i.e., reflector frontal area divided by emitter area.

How would you credit an inspiration that is a simple observation that almost anyone could have made independently? It doesn’t take much sophisticated physics to notice that a spherical reflector redirects light emitted from its center back to the same point, which is the operational principle of the Wavier collar. If you spend enough time playing with conic sections (which shows up all the time in optics), this would just be a passing thought.

More generally:

I argue what’s at fault is not the action of piggybacking (or as Newton puts it, “standing on the shoulders of giants”), but the lack of good judgment in problem-solving. Blindly implementing existing ideas without performing any sanity check often results in suboptimal or disastrous outcomes. But if you are able to think on your own feet, exercise good judgment on what existing ideas are good, and combine them with your own thought, then you get the best of both worlds.

One simple line of logic…“anyone” didn’t. It’s easier to comprehend something rather than to innovate something, as many innovations are a product of established environments, or the absence of such. Edison Vs. Tesla. One was an innovator/improver, the other was an adopter/improver.

that’s kind of a point I was getting at…they said a whole lot of nothing just to say that physics is being followed…lux is applied lumen pressure (intensity) per squared area, lumens are the overall continuously applied visible light. For the sake of this topic, let’s disregard irradiance, as every spectrum is capable of irradiance but not necessarily lux. What was the novel concept in the aforementioned article that inspired your post?

**Let me rephrase…for the sake of a confused/inexperienced layman, could you comprehensively summarize the core topics into just a few sentences?

another few related conceptual questions that may have already been answered…can 2 photons of equivalent frequency occupy the same timespace? Can a single photon carry an entire image? Can a single apparent photon carry an entire image?

It’s not so simple because it is quite possible that many people did come up with the same idea independently.

For example: I am absolutely certain that many people on this forum have independently come up, at some point, the idea to combine a UV-pass filter and a UV flashlight. It is such a simple idea that it makes no sense to credit anyone for coming up with it. Yet someone somehow managed to file it as a patent and get it approved…

At some point even borrowed ideas can become common knowledge and lose the need for explicit attribution. We don’t cite the quadratic formula every time we use it, nor do we cite the dictionary for every sentence we write.

You could say the same about any piece of mathematical research: it is purely tautological and just says that basic logic is being followed. But being tautological does not make something not useful!

“Novelty” is in the eye of the reader. If you have done some basic modeling of optical systems as I (and quite a few members) did, you would have intuited the entirety of this article, and find none of it novel.

But if you are a beginner trying to choose your first light, likely every single piece of info in this article is new to you.

The article already lists its core topics in its introduction:

this, as we both know, is patently untrue lol…

this one is less applicable, it would be like citing numbers every time we do math… we do certainly attribute certain colloquilisms to individuals, though. Some are just so old and used that we have either forgotten or stopped documenting who said it, or it doesn’t matter because the core precepts persist.

Unfortunately, this was the case, you clickbaited me! I demand a refund!

Perhaps, but it is more a syllabus than a synopsis…a layman might expect a synopsis :stuck_out_tongue:

All in all, thanks for your continued efforts to expand on the knowledge of photometric beamshaping and characteristics. On a side note, have you made any breakthroughs with your beam modeling endeavors?

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My last project culminated in an explicit model of the beam cast by a Lambertian emitter through a forward parabolic reflector, with hotspot/corona/spill breakdown angles. The math is a bit involved (because I intentionally avoided many simplifying approximations), and to my knowledge, such a model has not existed before, within the flashlight community or elsewhere.

For the moment, I have run out of interesting problems to work on when it comes to beam modeling. But if someone succeeds in introducing me to an interesting problem, I would be happy to have a shot at it.

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I believe that this may have been mentioned before, but incorporation of a non-lambertian source, such as a dedomed or undomed emitter seems to factor in not only the relative size of the reflector, but also in relation to the LES.

Below is taken so that the LED surfaces are at roughly the same distance from the camera


notice how the smaller LES in the smaller reflector produces a similar beam pattern (hotspot and corona) as the larger LES in the larger reflector?

Also, the specifically ringy gradients of the smaller reflector seems to pair well with the round die, but essentially each ring is its own reflector, right? **I noticed a similar effect with the Novatacs, the ringier OP reflectors seemed to throw a tad better, but the classic OP reflectors created a more distinct hotspot. I have an SFT25RWG coming thanks to a generous member here, so will attempt to drop that into a Nova pill to test the different reflectors (and hopefully increase the throw substantially).

Characteristics of each reflector can be seen below:



Next project, mapping out a non-lambertian surface?

Having a dedomed/undomed emitter is exactly the situation where the Lambertian model applies…

The article does not seem to explicitly discuss the beam shape/profile, but you may have intuited the following explanation:

In Euclidean geometry, dilation/contraction is angle-preserving, so when you dilate/contract both the reflector and LED, the angle of the beam remains unchanged.

Yes, it is sensible to think of each ring as a tiny reflector with slightly different parameters. The observation that the ringy OP reflector throws better should not be surprising, for the following reason:

Take a tiny piece of the OP reflector, and take a tiny piece of the ringy reflector. The OP piece deviates from a paraboloid (and thus diffuses) in all directions, while the ringy piece deviates from a paraboloid only along the diameter it lies on: in the other direction (along the circumference), it is perfectly circular just like a paraboloid. So the ringy reflector literally diffuses in fewer directions, thus yielding a more concentrated beam.

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