✌ FREEME- ASTROLUX MF01 Mini 7*SST20 CRI95 26650 ANDÚRIL Flashlight Group Buy - $45.99

[Cloud]

@JasonWW

@Cloud

@JasonWW

@Cloud

Does anyone know if mf01 mini can throw father than thrunite tc20 of mhvast ts70? I have the latter but would like something about as strong (4 to 6 ,000 lumens), light and small on a 26650, but a little throwier. Been searching for the one for a while.

The lights you are talking about are only rated at 25kcd or 315 meters (probably lights stuff up well to 300 feet). The Mini is rated at 43kcd or 415 meters (probably lights stuff up well to 400 feet). That’s a decent bit more throwy. Do you need more distance?

Yeah. Here is my dream light. Long story short it would be sort of like a search light like sofirn q8 about same lumens and beam profile but in small size and light

I like combination flood/throw lights with a good balance of flood but with a strong center, not necessarily a real thrower but 500-800 m would be nice. It would have small size, something to easily carry every day, up to 130mm long or so, ideally shaped close to a cylinder, slightly increased head size is ok,work on one battery up to 26650, give off about 4-4-5,0000 lumens or higher, something with a good hot spot. I don’t believe such an animal exists yet but I think the Industry is moving in this direction.

I like my e07 but it has no hot spot.
Convoy M3 is close to what I want( wish it was but throwier) but it’s too heavy, bit large and eats thru the battery super fast, plus other glitches
Haikelite mt40 I actually like a lot in terms of the thrower hot spot and flood but it’s huge
Thrunite ts20 and it’s clone mhvast ts70 are the size I want and almost have the lumens needed, basically would be perfect in many ways for me, but I wish they dialed down not as fast and most importantly I want a throwier center
sofirn cg8 is pretty good but weak in lumens and not a perfect combination of flood and throw for me, not enough lumens to provide the flood to go with the throw.
Convoy s21a Is great actually, Has a perfect balance of flood and throw , perfect in every way except 1. - not bright enough
Sofirn q8 is good but large, I don’t like 4 battery configuration
New astrolux fto3 with 4300 lumens is almost it ,but I dislike the large head ( others do it smaller and throw as far) besides I’d prefer slightly more flood and sacrifice a bit of the distance for more floor if needed. I do like it’s perfectly round flood profile, no flower petals around, limited specific angle allows it to illuminate around a bit better, anyway head too large.
I tried niwalker mm18iii and it’s shitty, worst light vs expectations/claims, and of course it’s huge too
Catapult v6 is a nice thrower, tried other throwers as well, but not exactly what I’m loooking for. Probably missed a few but you get the idea

Where are you , my ideal light? I don’t think you exist… but if I’m wrong please please telll me……

The problem is you need a big led for big lumens, but a big led typically makes for less throw unless you put it in a big reflector. It is the relationship between die size and reflector size that controls the amount of throw you have. There is always a trade off.

What your probably wanting is an led that puts out the most lumen per square mm in the die. This is called it luminance. Most modern led technology can only go so high in it’s luminance. Some LEDs are a little better than others under certain conditions, but we do have a certain limit.

I think the current leader is the Luminus SBT-90 GEN2. It’s pretty new and quite expensive so flashlights using it will cost a pretty penny like the Acebeam K75 which is around $300. I don’t think anyone is even using it in a small light.

Your most practical choices would be the TC20 or TS70 with a sliced dome. You lose a little lumens, but you gain a noticeable increase in throw. The dome makes the die appear larger creating more lumens, but a bigger hot spot. Slice off the dome and you get a tighter focused beam.

I think the TC20 only measures about 3400-3500 lumen at most. A bit less than their ratings. Slicing the dome might bring it down to 3000 lumen, but it’s not that big a deal because the hot spot shrinks and the intensity goes up so it actually looks brighter in a sense.

BTW, the sliced dome xhp70.2 die size is about the same as the dome-on xhp50.2. You might look for a TC20 size host, put a 3 volt 50.2 in it and a FET driver. Basically make a smaller head FT03. I don’t know of any lights made like this off hand. On caveat is that the FET driver will push the 50.2 harder making more heat. I kinda like the boost drivers due to their consistant output and less heat build up.

Hmm I never actually modified these lights so I’m a little hesitant , not sure I will do it right. I had the tc20 until recently but returned it as I currently have the mhvast ts70 which is basically identical in almost every way. You are saying to slice off the dome off the led? It will be throwier? Will there still be some flood or will it just all turn into throw? How difficult is de-doming the led there? Does the entire dome have to be cut off or only a portion of it? Maybe practice on a cheaper light first? Thanks

[Cloud]

@SKV89

@Cloud

@SKV89

I think the Thrunite TC20 is probably the best light in this size range for maintaining high output. It can maintain about 1,400 realistic lumens without stepping down. The boost driver also seems pretty efficient. The MF01 Mini’s driver is likely not as efficient but with 7 emitters, it might be able to beat the XHP70.2 in efficiency if you go with the 5000K or 6500K. However, I don’t like the Cree tint shift and corona from the TC20 so I think the MF01 Mini will be the better light.

Maybe a better light but can it out-throw tc20? I don’t think so. Since I already have the Е07, not sure if mfo1 mini gives any additional performance, except of course running longer on a bigger battery? Well I guess it can hold on a bit longer before reaching same high temp too before it dials down. Still not sure there is enough added value to getting it already having the E07

I would guess the MF01 Mini will out throw the TC20. I heard it uses a throwy optic unlike the floody optic that came with the E07. Also I measured the TC20 at about 3200 lumens instead of the rated 3800 lumens. The MF01 Mini non hi CRI should be 6000+ lumens if the E07 is any indication of how it will perform.

I might go for it and get one out of curiosity but the laymen’s perception of the absence of a large reflector is telling me it should be more like E07. Throwier optics might do the trick I guess. Worth a try. Thanks

[patmurris]

@texas shooter

Their up and only $10.00 more for Copper head. https://www.banggood.com/search/astrolux/0-0-0-1-2-48-0-price-0-0_p-1.html

Pretty pretty…
@freeme: can you get us coupons for the new MF01 Mini editions and the box alone?

[JasonWW]

@SKV89

I would guess the MF01 Mini will out throw the TC20.

See my earlier post showing the MF01 mini out throws the TC20 by about 100 meters. At least according to factory specs.

[Cloud]

@JasonWW

@SKV89

I would guess the MF01 Mini will out throw the TC20.

See my earlier post showing the MF01 mini out throws the TC20 by about 100 meters. At least according to factory specs.

Wish someone had both to actually test in the field but I might pull the trigger then on the mini on faith. Thanks!!

[Agro]

@JasonWW

What your probably wanting is an led that puts out the most lumen per square mm in the die. This is called it luminance. Most modern led technology can only go so high in it’s luminance. Some LEDs are a little better than others under certain conditions, but we do have a certain limit.

I think the current leader is the Luminus SBT-90 GEN2.

Have you seen some evidence of that? According to Vinh Acebeam seriously overrates K75. And even if it didn’t this would still not match the latest Osrams.

[JasonWW]

@Cloud

Hmm I never actually modified these lights so I’m a little hesitant , not sure I will do it right. I had the tc20 until recently but returned it as I currently have the mhvast ts70 which is basically identical in almost every way. You are saying to slice off the dome off the led? It will be throwier? Will there still be some flood or will it just all turn into throw? How difficult is de-doming the led there? Does the entire dome have to be cut off or only a portion of it? Maybe practice on a cheaper light first? Thanks

Dedoming a xhp70.2 is not too hard. See here.

If you damage the led you can buy a new one. You do need to be able to solder so you can take the led out of the flashlight. If you can’t solder, I suggest learning as it will help you out in the long run.

The flood light or spill light you see in a reflector based light is all the light that doesnt bounce off the reflector. It is light that comes directly from the front. See the blue lines here.

This direct light will not change at all, except for being a little bit dimmer.

Here is the principle of the dome. They increase lumens, but sacrifice luminance in the process. You want more luminance for more throw, so a little sacrifice in lumens might be okay.

You may or may not like the result. You will definitely see an increase in throw, though. I have only done one sliced dome myself on a xhp70. You can see the difference in the hot spot size in this comparison photo.

You can clearly see the hot spot diameter has shrunk and the intensity has increased. I can’t remember what the percentage of throw I gained, but it was noticable. It is pretty common knowledge here that you gain throw by dedoming or slicing the dome off.

[JasonWW]

@Cloud

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I might go for it and get one out of curiosity but the laymen’s perception of the absence of a large reflector is telling me it should be more like E07. Throwier optics might do the trick I guess. Worth a try. Thanks

Are you comparing apples to apples? Your E07 has the SST-20 emitters?

The SST-20 has quite a small die. Smaller than the xpl-hi and nichia options on the E07. This smaller die gives a tighter beam pattern and more throw.

[JasonWW]

@Agro

@JasonWW

What your probably wanting is an led that puts out the most lumen per square mm in the die. This is called it luminance. Most modern led technology can only go so high in it’s luminance. Some LEDs are a little better than others under certain conditions, but we do have a certain limit.

I think the current leader is the Luminus SBT-90 GEN2.

Have you seen some evidence of that? According to Vinh Acebeam seriously overrates K75. And even if it didn’t this would still not match the latest Osrams.

I’m just guessing, mate. I don’t really keep up with these things. I know the CFT-90 was quite the led, but only if driven very hard. I’m only looking at LEDs above 3000 or so lumen since that is what Cloud was asking about. Does Osram making anything better? I only know about their smaller leds.

BTW, have you seen any reviews of the K75, maybe Vinh’s opinions? I have not played much attention to the K75.

[Cloud]

@JasonWW

@Cloud

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I might go for it and get one out of curiosity but the laymen’s perception of the absence of a large reflector is telling me it should be more like E07. Throwier optics might do the trick I guess. Worth a try. Thanks

Are you comparing apples to apples? Your E07 has the SST-20 emitters?

The SST-20 has quite a small die. Smaller than the xpl-hi and nichia options on the E07. This smaller die gives a tighter beam pattern and more throw.

Thanks a lot Jason. I will look further into this ( dedoming). I believe my e07 are Cree XPL hi V3s.

[SKV89]

@Agro

@JasonWW

What your probably wanting is an led that puts out the most lumen per square mm in the die. This is called it luminance. Most modern led technology can only go so high in it’s luminance. Some LEDs are a little better than others under certain conditions, but we do have a certain limit.

I think the current leader is the Luminus SBT-90 GEN2.

Have you seen some evidence of that? According to Vinh Acebeam seriously overrates K75. And even if it didn’t this would still not match the latest Osrams.

So far I’ve seen the K75 measure between 4000 to 5500 lumens, mine being the lowest at 4000 lumens turn-on :weary: This is much lower than the specified 6300 lumens.

However all of the throw measurements I’ve seen are higher than the specified 1.5MCD. I haven’t measured mine but I have a feeling it might not even reach 1.5MCD due to the low lumen output but I hope I’m wrong.

Seems like Acebeam lumen measurements are incorrectly calibrated to be higher than our Maukka standard whereas their throw ratings are conservative.

[JasonWW]

@SKV89

So far I’ve seen the K75 measure between 4000 to 5500 lumens, mine being the lowest at 4000 lumens turn-on :weary: This is much lower than the specified 6300 lumens.

However all of the throw measurements I’ve seen are higher than the specified 1.5MCD. I haven’t measured mine but I have a feeling it might not even reach 1.5MCD due to the low lumen output but I hope I’m wrong.

Seems like Acebeam lumen measurements are incorrectly calibrated to be higher than our Maukka standard whereas their throw ratings are conservative.

What were the lumens at 30 seconds?
What batteries are you using?
Do you know why driver design it uses?

I do find that the larger the reflector the more OTF efficiency loss you get. It’s one downfall of big reflector, big lens lights.

[BurningPlayd0h]

@Cloud

@JasonWW

@Cloud

Does anyone know if mf01 mini can throw father than thrunite tc20 of mhvast ts70? I have the latter but would like something about as strong (4 to 6 ,000 lumens), light and small on a 26650, but a little throwier. Been searching for the one for a while.

The lights you are talking about are only rated at 25kcd or 315 meters (probably lights stuff up well to 300 feet). The Mini is rated at 43kcd or 415 meters (probably lights stuff up well to 400 feet). That’s a decent bit more throwy. Do you need more distance?

Yeah. Here is my dream light. Long story short it would be sort of like a search light like sofirn q8 about same lumens and beam profile but in small size and light

I like combination flood/throw lights with a good balance of flood but with a strong center, not necessarily a real thrower but 500-800 m would be nice. It would have small size, something to easily carry every day, up to 130mm long or so, ideally shaped close to a cylinder, slightly increased head size is ok,work on one battery up to 26650, give off about 4-4-5,0000 lumens or higher, something with a good hot spot. I don’t believe such an animal exists yet but I think the Industry is moving in this direction.

I like my e07 but it has no hot spot.
Convoy M3 is close to what I want( wish it was but throwier) but it’s too heavy, bit large and eats thru the battery super fast, plus other glitches
Haikelite mt40 I actually like a lot in terms of the thrower hot spot and flood but it’s huge
Thrunite ts20 and it’s clone mhvast ts70 are the size I want and almost have the lumens needed, basically would be perfect in many ways for me, but I wish they dialed down not as fast and most importantly I want a throwier center
sofirn cg8 is pretty good but weak in lumens and not a perfect combination of flood and throw for me, not enough lumens to provide the flood to go with the throw.
Convoy s21a Is great actually, Has a perfect balance of flood and throw , perfect in every way except 1. - not bright enough
Sofirn q8 is good but large, I don’t like 4 battery configuration
New astrolux fto3 with 4300 lumens is almost it ,but I dislike the large head ( others do it smaller and throw as far) besides I’d prefer slightly more flood and sacrifice a bit of the distance for more floor if needed. I do like it’s perfectly round flood profile, no flower petals around, limited specific angle allows it to illuminate around a bit better, anyway head too large.
I tried niwalker mm18iii and it’s shitty, worst light vs expectations/claims, and of course it’s huge too
Catapult v6 is a nice thrower, tried other throwers as well, but not exactly what I’m loooking for. Probably missed a few but you get the idea

Where are you , my ideal light? I don’t think you exist… but if I’m wrong please please telll me……

Sounds like you want a C8F or D4S.

[JasonWW]

@BurningPlayd0h

Sounds like you want a C8F or D4S.

The C8F is not a throwy light at about 363 meters stock on my unit. I don’t have a d4s, but I’m pretty sure it’s not a throwy light either.

He’s looking for 500 to 800 meters.

[Andybibbville]

He might want to look at the nightwatch nsx3

[JasonWW]

@Andybibbville

He might want to look at the nightwatch nsx3

Eh, it’s tail switch only with a pretty big hot spot so it barely does 400 meters.

[Tubercle]

D4s will best suit your needs for throw w/ 6500k SST or XPL

[Cloud]

@JasonWW

@BurningPlayd0h

Sounds like you want a C8F or D4S.

The C8F is not a throwy light at about 363 meters stock on my unit. I don’t have a d4s, but I’m pretty sure it’s not a throwy light either.

He’s looking for 500 to 800 meters.

Yes I’ve looked into both ( in theory and watching reviews ) and they don’t appear to be throwy at all….

[Cloud]

@Tubercle

D4s will best suit your needs for throw w/ 6500k SST or XPL

I didn’t think emisar d4s throws? Am I confusing it with some other? Besides probably too small to maintain decent lumen level Before you can’t hold it any more?

[SKV89]

The D4S throws really well with the White Flats
https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?452694-Candidates-for-White1-amp-White2-(W1-amp-W2)&p=5256894&viewfull=1#post5256894
https://skylumen.com/products/emisar-d4s-most-compact-26650-quad?\_pos=2&\_sid=70f726e7b&\_ss=r