FW3A Troubleshooting / FAQ

The mcpcb is not fixed in place, there are no anti rotation screws.
Head is fine to unscrew.
The tail cap should not be unscrewed.
Change the battery by unscrewing the head.

BTW, the optics and mcpcb are only effected if you try to unscrew the bezel on the head, which is not recommended. This is seperate from the head itself. You might be confusing these two things.

  1. No
  2. No
  3. No
  4. Nothing to ā€œworryā€ about. Just keep it tight & leave it alone. If you do take it off, put it back on and tighten itā€¦ as with any light.
  5. Not a thing to worry about here either. Take the head off, change the battery, put the head back on, tighten the head.
  6. Not sure what you mean in this one???
  7. Nothing to worry about in the FW3A either.

A mountain is being made of a molehill by some concerning the FW3A.

It is the same as any other light:

  • If the tailcap in not tightā€¦ā€¦ it will not work.
  • If the head is not tightā€¦. it will not work.
  • If you put the battery in correctlyā€¦ā€¦ the light will work.
  • Sometimes a True DOA happens.
  • As with any light, if you remove the bezel & the MCPCB is not fixed; when you screw the bezel back on if the MCPCB &/or Optic turn with the bezelā€¦ a wire may well be pulled loose.
  • If the bezel is fixed on a light and certain type centering rings turn while tightening the bezelā€¦. the LED may be sheared from the MCPCB.

This is just all normal stuff that applies to ANY light, nothing more.

I sent Neal an email yesterday but havenā€™t received a response yet. Iā€™ll make sure to request for replacement/return when he does reply, now that Iā€™ve found the problem. This is the first time Iā€™ve taken apart the head like that. It must have arrived like that, since it was never operational.

If you guys need better photos or the original, unedited photos for reference in this thread, I can go ahead and post/send them to you guys!

Alas, those used to be a feature, which some of yā€™all are too young to recollect.

EDIT: djozz described one here, around the time the assemblers forgot what the holes were for; they started showing up misplaced and eventually not even threaded, then quit appearing at all.

Circuit boards used to come with notches, the screwheads appeared in the notches, and the board wouldnā€™t turn.

Saved a nickel apiece by eliminating that step of the construction, perhaps trusting the thermal goop to be glue.

Ah, I know Iā€™m a fossil remembering back when they used to build these things by hand.

This is sarcasm, in case anyone thought he was serious. :partying_face:

Waitā€¦ by ā€œbezelā€ I understand this to be the front most piece on the light. You need to remove that to get access to the optic. So why would it be not recommended? Iā€™ve removed it about a dozen times thus far to experiment with different optics. No problems. I do not get any MCPCB rotation going on.

> anti-rotation screws
as described by djozz here: My impression of the Sofirn SC31, almost right - #4 by djozz

This front bezel gets a lot of folks in trouble. It depends on the light, though so some companies just glue it shut. Some lights have optics that sit on top of the mcpcb and if the optics get twisted you can dedome all your leds.

In the case of the FW3A, removing the bezel can twist the wires off the mcpcb. I didnā€™t know this was a possibility until just now. So we should all use caution when loosening and tightening the bezel and itā€™s probably a good idea to apply some downward pressure on the lens to keep it from rotating.

Itā€™s like TK says, the more you take a light apart and put it back together the greater the chance youā€™ll break it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Ah, just noticed Berkleyā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ spent a few months there in ā€¦ā€¦ probably ā€˜68. ā€™Spare changingā€™ on Telegraph Ave and sleeping in Peoples Park in a ā€™59 Pontiac someone gave me in Huntington Beach. Those were the days

  1. Yes, correct.
  2. Yes, correct.
  3. Because some people never pay attention to any detail & would screw it up. Soā€¦ it is ā€œnot recommendedā€. If you do it anyway:
    ā€¦ā€¦. a. You hopefully know how to properly do the simple procedure.
    ā€¦ā€¦. b. If you break something, that is on you.
  4. OKā€¦ good deal.
  5. Even better.
  6. Great! But just because ā€™youā€™ got no rotation of the MCPCB, Does Not mean it cannot happen.
    And when it does happen, and ā€˜youā€™ are not aware of itā€¦. things can & will break.

Berkeley was interesting back then. I still remember going to classes with all the National Guard and police walking around. And being teargassed wasā€¦ā€¦.interesting; especially when they used a jeep spraying teargas out of it and being stuck in traffic.

I guess ā€œinterestingā€ is one word for thatā€¦ā€¦ ā€™sucksā€™ seems more appropiate to me however. :wink:

Very true. Back then it was awful and really was a terrible experience. But now it doesnā€™t seem like it was all that bad since one tend to forget how bad things were long ago.

I wonā€™t even go to how ā€œinterestingā€ it was getting shot by rubber bullets or how fast one can run when being chased by people with big clubs who had legal authority to use them :weary:

Ouchā€¦. ā€œrubber bullets & big clubsā€ could get ā€œinterestingā€ real fast!! :person_facepalming: :+1:
That really would ā€œsuckā€. :wink:

I guess looking backā€¦. time does put a different perspective on things.

I figured that since the front bezel FW3A is attached using external screw threads on the body, unscrewing the bezel wonā€™t affect anything internally. The counter-clockwise rotation to remove it might cause the front glass to rotate for a small amount, but the optic definitely doesnā€™t move. I pop it out, then put a replacement optic into the 3 peg holes, lay over the glass, then screw down the bezel. Nothing internally rotates. But I hear you, that it may not be true for every assembly.

I will follow your advice, though. The next time I do it, Iā€™ll take a toothpick to the MCPCB and check to see if itā€™s well anchored in place or loose. I definitely donā€™t want to end up torquing the wires and cause them to detach!

Heyā€¦ if you have not had any problems your obviously doing it right. I wouldnā€™t change anything. (And I did not suggest a ā€œtoothpickā€ for anything eitherā€¦ :wink: )

All I am saying is just because you have not experienced a problem does not mean someone else will not experience it.

I have found that a little bit of pressure on the glass lens with my thumb when removing or tightening the bezel on lights where the MCPCB can rotate is enough to prevent a problem. (after the first time I ripped the wires loose on one) :person_facepalming:

/\ ā€¦ā€¦ :+1:

I have double check to make sure iā€™m not in muggle mode.

Iā€™m unable to go into Group 2 now.
When i perform click, click, hold ā€¦ā€¦it just respond by one dim flash/flicker and goes off.

Iā€™m able to go into Group 2 the first time when i received this light and i was playing with all the Group 2 mode (candle, bike flasher, party strobe, tactical strobe, lightning storm). The last Group 2 mode i used was lightning storm.