Group buy: Jaxman Z1 host [THREAD CLOSED BY ADMIN]

[Kenjii]

@DB Custom

The SBT-70 fits on an MT-G2 mcpcb, it’s not perfect, but it works well. So again, I’ll have to wait and see what the internal dimensions look like before deciding on which mcpcb to go with, I’d like to go with the largest I can, whether that be a Noctigon or MaxToch or SinkPAD, there are some differences in each so much will depend on the light itself.

Dale,

SBT-70 in an aspheric light is absolutly great and worth every $

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Some questions on the Z1 may be answered in my review of the light (english version). I was the first one to get the light back in 2014.

http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/threads/english-review-jax-z1-zoomable-1-2-26650-18650.36078/

It is still one of my favorite lights in my collection.

Regards

Kenjii

[Yourrid]

@Sharpie

So much discussion over the emitter centring ring. By those of you who wanted the first 10.
I’m trying to help this group buy succeed by asking a specific question which should be easily answered.

And Dale, I expected better from you, in particular.
I don’t know where you live Sharpie, but this isn’t Communist Russia. He gave his opinion, and there is nothing wrong with that. Dale is one of the highest regarded modders here. You’re LUCKY he’s taking time to join in on your group buy and giving you feedback.

We invited you to join in precisely because we hoped you could quickly sort out these little details, once you receive your packages. We hoped that you would be competent and experienced enough to already have, or to make, or modify these sort of things, and tell us how it went for you.
I’m competent enough to know that the spacer is going to be a problem. Read the Cula’s quote below.

I personally do not know the answers… I simply don’t know, and will not speculate.
Can you at the very least relay our questions to Jaxman so that we can find answers to our questions?

@Cula

I’m seriously considering this host for my collection. It looks like a pretty good one. Hoping that organizers will have more patience with buyers in future.
For you guys who don’t have experience with zoomies there are two things to consider before mod.

1. Centering is very important. If you don’t get this one correctly, the beam will not look nice. Maybe Jax lens will correct this, I don’t know.
2. Height of the led is very important. If you don’t adjust the height of the led die from the lens properly it won’t focus when zoomed out. You wont get a clear image of the projected die. Maybe this is not important for the throw itself, I don’t know, but it surely bugs me. Maybe jax lens will correct this too. Domed and dedomed leds have different heights, please have this in mind.

Exactly the point I’m trying to bring up about the centering ring. Thanks for your response Cula.

@cabfrank

I am really glad DB posted and ReMan corroborated. They are very prominent and respected members. I am not in that tier, so I refrained, but barely. I have to chime in now. Sharpie, I have a lot of respect for your knowledge, but the tone and demeanor of your recent posts does not belong on this forum. We are (mostly) a bunch of nice, pleasant, respectful and kind hearted people. I think I speak for most of us when I say we’d prefer it stay that way. Condescending and borderline rude posts are unnecessary and unwelcome here.

+1

@Lund1660

So reading through the thread I can’t believe the answers and rhetoric of Sharpie. How conceded can you get. Your smart -blank answers you have given to members here. If you want to start a (team) for group buys you give as much information as possible and #1 rule should be don’t insult the Buyers. If you can’t handle a simple thing as that you should not be in the position that you are in. It’s a shame the way you have handled this Sharpie look back at previous threads you have chosen to post in you love to argue you seem to think your allways right. Now do I think your going to change? No. I think your in to deep people know how you act. Please prove me wrong.

+1

Dale… I’d like to know that CRI the inside of your gator will be glowing

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

Thanks Kenjii, just got done reading your review and learned a lot. Like how wide that cover plate is and that it screws in with the same threads the brass pill does, so that’s a keeper.

Thank you as well for those super shots with the SBT-70 under the dome, that’s what I was looking for, PinkPanda was the only other one I was aware of that did it and he liked it a lot as well.

So, baby steps, I’ll build it on the stock platform and work up from there as needed. (I tend to want to jump in and go whole hog right out of the box, many times modding a light before ever turning it on. Oops!)

Exciting stuff! It’d be great if it came quickly, would love to take it to Mississippi with us and see how it fares shining across the Mighty Miss at Vicksburg! But that’s only 11 days away, what are the odds?

[Kenjii]

Hi,

the plate doesn´t use the same thread. The pill is screwed into the body and there is a separate thread (a bit larger) above for the plate.

Don´t expect too much throw from that LED. My light uses a ~71mm lens and LD2 12A with three batteries in parallel and it only makes 212 Kcd. The Z1 lens is only about half of its size.

Regards

Kenjii

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

Aw he! Y’all will tell my wife what I’m doing just to get to see the dang gator! I see how ya are…
At the very least, 4 XP-G3 S5 3A’s in my DBC-02 will fire his gut up at 2600 lumens. If I happen to have one of a few other lights in hand when I go in the drink, he might actually smolder a bit. Maybe I should ensure I have my 3watt blue laser with me, so I can make his eyes find y’all eyeballing from the marsh… at least then y’all could maybe recover the lights in the end.
If I happen to have my TR-J20, BTU Super Shocker or even the diminutive Meteor I modded, I will be the one shouting WooooooEeeeeeeeeee! Dat’s sum dang gud gator meat rite der, mon ami! (go Cajun on ya, lol)

Edit: Thanks again Kenjii, it was a little difficult to tell about that second thread for the cover plate in the pics. Still, very worthy of keeping that cover even at some costs.
The Z1 is supposed to have a 60mm optic, so it’s not all that much smaller than your 71mm. And it’s AR+AF coated. But yeah, I know, the throw won’t be spectacular and I won’t be expecting miracles out of this one, I have MEM for that….

[Sharpie]

Whilst you are waiting for your hosts to arrive, I’ve added some links I found in post #4, to reviews, mod. threads etc.

If you know of others, please bring them to my attention.

Also, please bear in mind that the Z1 has been developed and improved over the years. I haven’t asked for a change history, because I don’t see how it would be relevant. But doubtless there may be some.

See A statment:the COMETA flashlight is not a Jaxman product - #71 by jaxman

The hosts that you will get are the current production version.

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

Right, Paul said this is Revision 5, so it’s been a work in progress to get to this stage. Jaxman Z1 MkV.

[Sharpie]

@DB Custom

Right, Paul said this is Revision 5, so it’s been a work in progress to get to this stage. Jaxman Z1 MkV.

I think it was I who used the term “MkV”, and I think I mis-quoted.

If you follow my link, you will see that Jaxman said it was the 4th version.

Either way, it will be interesting to see what little changes have been introduced.

[emarkd]

Dale do you have other plans for getting power to that emitter or are you also waiting on the extension tube to become available? I’m really liking the looks of that round emitter projection…

[Kenjii]

@DB Custom

Edit: Thanks again Kenjii, it was a little difficult to tell about that second thread for the cover plate in the pics. Still, very worthy of keeping that cover even at some costs.
The Z1 is supposed to have a 60mm optic, so it’s not all that much smaller than your 71mm. And it’s AR+AF coated. But yeah, I know, the throw won’t be spectacular and I won’t be expecting miracles out of this one, I have MEM for that….

My Z1 from the first batch has a 52mm lens but with only a visible/useable diameter of 41mm If it has grown to 60mm i missed that.

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

I might be remembering that 60mm thing wrong, I do that a lot, sorry, I’ll dig and see what I can find out about where I got that.

emarkd, the SBT-70 has a 3.7Vf at 10.5A, so it runs fine on a single hot cell. The one in my Eagle Eye X6 is doing 17A from an LG HE-2 18650. Don’t know if you ever saw the massive quad heat sink I designed for the X6, but that’s what I’m using under the SBT-70 in that light with a 35mm Illuminations Machines reflector which is shallow but I also trimmed it down to fit. There’s a massively huge chunk of copper under this one! The sink design is shelf to lens, I carved the edges to a bevel to accommodate the reflector.

A few of my favorite light, the X6, (SBT-70 lower right)

[Tom_E]

I ordered mine, maybe just got it in, barely. My order is on the "processing" state right now, but had to add this gem in with the order:

They show it with a Z1 in it, and they say it fits a Z1, so cool! Wish you guys could have included this. Maybe ask for a deal, or at least saving the extra shipping fee?

[emarkd]

@DB Custom

emarkd, the SBT-70 has a 3.7Vf at 10.5A, so it runs fine on a single hot cell.

Ah,thanks. I thought I remembered you saying they were 6v emitters earlier in this thread. My bad.

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

I have no idea where I got that 60mm optic size in my head, can’t find any mention to that extent anywhere. Sorry, my misunderstanding.

Edit: A couple of things I did find… 45mm is claimed on the size of the optic. This site, Taobao for Jaxman has more detailed articles written, and some nice detail from Jaxman.

And this quote, pertaining to the AR+AF coating on the optic…. “In some bright coated glass will have some texture, strips or points, not scratches, scratches in case of no-lighting is visible. These do not affect the light transmittance, do not try to erase, obsessive-compulsive disorder party, please, hold back! ! ”

I like that, feel like they may be onto something there…

[Ouchyfoot]

Oh man. If SBT-70 runs on a single cell I’ll start thinking about it again.

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

I think it’d be really awesome to see a lot of different approaches, domed XP-G3, de-domed, XP-G2 dome on or off, even maybe a colored XP-E2 in green or blue or something, Just wondering how the optic handles the different sources and what the end result is.

If I weren’t so impulsive I might could have gone with a CBT-140 instead of buying the X1 and Z1 within a couple of days of each other. Gonna end up with one of those sooner or later, same circular die, mo powah. And all the problems that go with it. It’s expensive, a lot more so, and it comes on a rectangular mcpcb with a plug for mounting in fixtures and such. So it would require modification of even the emitter assembly to use in a light like we do. But that challenge makes me want even more to try one! I know, I got it bad….

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

My 8 yr old was just in here going on and on about his video game, the details of which escape me… but his last words before running off to play some more were “Whew! That is one Powerful Powerful Mod!”

Cracked me up. Having it bad is infectious, perhaps…

[The_Miller]

That most be Minecraft

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

Yep, he lives on it.

[The_Miller]

Hahaha I play it with my son, great fun, like Lego without piles of blocks on the floor that need to be put away at some point.
We ought to make a working Q8, then I could send the world save to you and you could see him mod a light using mods