I had the same thought, my eneloops do better when first opened even several years older
Whenever someone buys a new battery they seem to immediately think they are rebadged eneloops, they have to be talked out of it, its like a default theory :person_facepalming:
some one from overseas send me some please 
Now available in Malaysia, Just bought some from IKEA Mutiara Damansara last week.
Must be getting close to being Australia’s turn.
Didn’t you hear that they are on the bottom shelf …just look down under .
Haha, I actually lol’d at that.
The question is whether or not the new battery Ikea sells is a rebranded Eneloop, not the old kind that you bought. Those have nothing in common with Eneloops as far as I know, while the new kind seems to have a lot in common…
Its not eneloop unless proven to be, like i mentioned a few posts ago, its amazing that everyone considers a new battery a rebadged eneloop unless proven otherwise when it should be the other way around
Yeah, and if you look at some of the reports of the capacity of these cells, they look too high to be real Eneloop Pros. Eneloops are pretty consistent when it comes to capacity, and they don’t get to 2700 mAh.
About 3 weeks ago I went to IKEA Cheras, they didn’t have the new one yet. But the older AAA was reduced to RM20 instead of RM30, probably meant to clear the stock.
Don’t they now? Is that a fact?
Or expert without experience?
If you look at post #216 you can see in the table, first line that battery no. 4 was a Fujitsu black. It had the same capacity as the best Ladda900.
If you extrapolate the 984 mAh to a 2450 battery you get:
2450/900 * 984 = 2679 mAh. I know this is a ‘coarse’ calculation and no one can use single measurements as proof, this is about proppability.
I have now started a cycle/refresh of 2xPanasonic Pro 2450 and 2xFujitsu 2450 to verify the calculation.
Result in 2 days.
I have said it before: If I carefully examine the Ladda, Fujitsu and Panasonic (all from the latest updates) I can’t find ANY differences in weight, structures, surfaces, angles, dimensions.
That is ‘proof’ enough for me. I have used 445 NiCd/NiMh batteries through 35+ years and I can’t be ‘talked out of it’ (and I stop when it is not fun anymore).
Try it yourself, and then tell us your EXPERIENCE.
Those capacities seem too high to be genuine Eneloop Pros.
According to HKJ and other’s tests, they should be about 2450 mAh with a 0.2 amp discharge. (Less for higher discharge rates.)
Has anyone compared the discharge voltages of the new and old laddas?
The old ones were very good and had very high voltage during the discharge.
We don’t have the new ones yet, though at 2700 mAh they would beat the previous Duracell 2650mAh champions (those duracell suck unfortunately, they hold a charge for a coupe days if your lucky, sometimes as little as 2 hours and the same battery changes its mind on charge retention every time you recharge it)
Eneloop XX is an older technology. HKJ’s ex. is from 2012-09 and FDK constantly makes new patents on NiMh.
I am now checking with 2xEneloop Pro (Panasonic) from 2014 and 2xToshiba 2450, the actual owner of FDKs TWICELL factory (the name TWICELL is going to disappear because FDK TWICELL merged with the mother firm FDK from sept.2014 but stays at the old address).
How do I know all this about the firm? Legal documents can be found by Googling fdk twicell or sanyo twicell. Have fun!
GOOD NEWS!
The new LADDA 2450 (2015) ARE in the same ballpark as the guarantied FDK made Panasonic Eneloop Pro (Japan 2014) and Fujitsu (2014).
| Ladda 2450 –2015 | 2720 | 2700 | 2660 | 2700 |
| Eneloop Pro(Panas) 2014 | 2660 | 2710 | —— | —— |
| Fujitsu black 2014 | —— | —— | 2670 | 2690 |
Discharge current 500mA.
I already checked the AAA size against Fujitsu (in post #216).
The high values are probably due to La Crosse BC-900 discharges to 0.9V instead of FDK specs 1.0V end voltage. I will verify one or two of the cells with an iCharger 106B+.
EDIT: It looks like there are only 1% capacity between 1.0V and 0.9V, but BC-900 showed about 10% too much. So my numbers are about 8-9% too high, sorry!
But that has nothing to do with LADDA being made by FDK.
Possible objections are countless. For instance if an Ikea employee said that they get them from FDK, you could imply that he was misinformed or that FDK has set up a production line to make inferior cheap Ikea batteries. Or whatever…
That brings the real capacity numbers down closer to what Eneloop Pro’s should be, around 2450 mAh.
Given that, it is perhaps worthwhile for someone with a proper test setup (like HKJ) to measure the capacities and compare them against Eneloops already tested. This would not only give accurate capacity numbers, but also compare how they behave under different loads.
If they match Eneloop’s capacity and voltage sag under high loads, then that would be good evidence towards them being real Eneloops.
yeah, evidence like that would make sense. Capacity matching means nothing, otherwise my rayovac hybrid match first and second gen eneloops, but they are not rebadged eneloops, my old ones can’t hold a charge for more then a few days (and they are low self discharge batteries), take more then double the capacity to recharge and don’t get warm at all even if recharged a few hours after charging and show as low battery, i assume the electricity is causing some chemical reaction inside the battery instead of charging them. If someone had an electron microscope and wanted to study them they would make for interesting research material.
Proper, comprehensive testing is complex and time-consuming. It requires good equipment, a fairly consistent environment and extreme attention to detail. We are lucky to have a few generous contributors here who seem to be able to pull it all together to give us some very useful data.
Even so, if these are in fact “Eneloops” under the wrapper, are they the “good” Japanese versions or the “poor” Chinese versions? Will they last for 2000 cycles or only 500 before they begin to degrade severely. If you don’t know what I’m referencing here there is a thread somewhere by CPF member “powermeup” Chinese and Japanese Eneloops Test Comparison
It is pretty easy to do a few capacity checks and it would be easy to leave some sitting on a shelf for 1,2 or 6 months to see how much they self-discharge. Beyond that, I’m not too concerned if they are “real” Eneloops or not these days. Other than simply as “interesting to know”.
With Eneloops here at $20+ per pack of 4 (unless you can find specials) and the Ikea (greens) at $3.99 I know which way I’m going. (Besides which, being a dutiful battery nerd, I have an embarrassingly large collection of the real Eneloops already.)
When the newer versions we are discussing here appear in our local stores I will grab a few packs and see how they perform regarding the self-discharge aspect but I won’t be running cycle tests to see how long it takes to wear them out.
Kudos to those who do.
Agreed.
Be aware that it can take a long time from request to report (Sanyo 18650GA took 9(nine) months). But you can’t really blame HKJ for making the commercial tests first.
“REAL ENELOOP” contra “REAL FDK”?
I really don’t like the much used expression “real Eneloops”. It should be “real FDK”, because “Eneloop” is now Panasonics re-brand of the FDK cells and they also use it for the china produced cells which has nothing to do with the original FDK.
Repeating a little history as I understand it:
2005 “SANYO TWICELL” factory introduces “ENELOOP” LSD batteries.
2007-2009 SANYO has some very difficult crisis years.
2009 Sanyo sells (big) part of their business to Panasonic including the brand “ENELOOP” but NOT the TWICELL factory that makes the batteries! (due to anti-trust laws).
2009 The “SANYO TWICELL” factory is sold to FDK (Fujitsu owned) and is named “FDK TWICELL” (see pictures post #199).
2014 FDK CORPORATION merges with (absorbes) “FDK TWICELL”. (here is the strange thing that the old name and eneloop signs seems to stay on the buildings in 2016 - if Googles picture date is correct, see post #199).
1. So FDK make all the “real FDK batteries” that are sold as “Fujitsu” (the name FDK CORPORATION and the address of FDK is on the back of their blister packs.
2. FDK also makes and sell the same batteries re-branded to Panasonic Eneloop (Pro). (Panasonic spec’s name FDK as manufacturer).
3. Panasonic uses the same Eneloop brand for the chineese made batteries!!.
4. Some believe that Amazone sells re-branded FDK batteries (no comment).
5. I believe that FDK re-brand their batteries for Ikea (I mean who would/could use enormeous resources to copy a 30.3 gram battery to the tiniest detail).
6. They re-brand probably for others too.
Because Panasonic has not made the batteries and name a chineese battery the same, I don’t like “real Eneloops”.
I think that it is fun to study the Firms history. I enjoy this discussion and would like to hear if my listing is wrong.