…better specs in what sense?
Because i actually want to buy a Led Lenser one day, because people say the optics are really good.
But usually i’m repelled by the price…
Double the lumens, double the distance, same runtime, less weight, no need to spend money on batteries 
http://www.ledlenserusa.com/p5-2-353.html#start=5
Hmmm…
I see a P7.2 on a discount on a Dutch webshop…
4x AAA, could be modded to take 26650 i suppose…
It’s €46.99 at the moment (about $48)
But let’s not hijack this topic…
Interested in a customized edc?
Just saw some videos of Ledlenser reviews, and you’re right about zoomed in and zoomed out.
But the stages in between do show donuts and / or rings…
Sorry, not sure if that was directed at me, but I’ll answer anyways - yes, I and willing to customize/mod the light and EDC it.
I’ve been able dig up one or two threads about modding lensers, there’s not a lot out there, but from what I’ve found it might be feasible. I like the form factor of the P5.2 but 240lens is nowhere near enough, mods to accept a 14500 and push more current would be a requirement for that light.
I just finished an sk68 mod, soldered switch spring, copper pill insert, bored and stretched for 16650 xpe R3 1D, 3 mode driver, SS clip, ya da, ya da. Point is, it sounds sort of like what you want with much of what’s wrong with the sk68 being upgraded. And the whole thing polished and tricked out with burl. It’s headed for a forum giveaway but I or someone else can certainly dial one in for you. I’ll be home in a bit and post some pics. The giveaway thread will go up tomorrow.
About 13 mm longer than before but still much shorter than my BLF A6. Tail cap current is 1.8A so plenty of punch and over 2 hours of it. Medium is about 550 mA and low is ~90mA. Zoomies waste a lot of lumens, much more than any reflector or TIR, especially when fully focused so expect lower numbers than cree charts list. Fwiw, the numbers for this same led pulled from Djozz tests are ~15 - 200 - 510 lumens for those currents. Larger die XPG –2 or XPL HI will get more lumens(a lot more with an FET DD driver but won’t be as tight). This was just a transplant attiny13A, one ordered from MtnE could have a more interesting ui or better mode separation. The burl is finished in epoxy so not many chemicals will harm it.
If you are willing to switch to 16340. You can go for the on the road i3. Decent zoomie, neutral tint, nice finish. Just a nice light, certainly after some small mods.
I can stretch(or shorten) some but not all hosts this way. Here’s a grey S2+ with an 18350 tube that’s been modded with other mods done to the inside so that with the length an 18500 tube would have it holds a 16650 and noctogon/Carclo triple. 
I was not aware of the On The Road i3 - that looks interesting. And easy to mod apparently, too - I found a thread from several months ago where djozz said, “I use it as my EDC atm, but must confess that I modded it with a 90CRI XP-G3 and BLF-A6 driver (700lumen flood with a fresh battery). It is my best EDC to date.”
Maybe one of these N219C R9050 that I got recently would work well in a OTR i3?
Rbd, I remember reading your thread on that modded (lengthened) SK68, but can’t find it at the moment now to refresh my memory. Care to link me? I wouldn’t be interested in a “nice” extension like burl, I think it would be quickly ruined by the perils a EDC work light faces - dirt and grime, being on my hip as I roll around on the ground, etc. Just a plain aluminum extension would be more utilitarian for me I think.
lens? do you mean lumens? 240 lumens is definitely enough when there is almost no loss when focused or unfocused.
IMO having 4 hours of runtime is much more important than having 1000lm that doesn’t let you choose between flood or throw.
Also, the P5r.2 already uses a 14500 battery, but it’s proprietary so that it can charge on the base. All charging flashlights like this use proprietary batteries.
The p5r.2 is a zoomie that uses a TIR so that you get the full 240lm when focused or unfocused.
That’s how you can get the same throw as a 1000lm flahslight with only 240lm and an extremely small head.
Oh, and the fact that it only requires 240lm is what allows you to have 4 hours of runtime on full power with a 14500 battery.
Oops. Yeah, lm > lens. Thanks, autocorrect. 
I know 240lm is “enough”; not that long ago 240lm was mind-blowingly bright. With 240lm I would not die or be in danger due to lack of light. But at work I frequently use my S41 quad on High1, High2, and Turbo (~400, 800, 1200lm, respectively) so I know I have a use for higher outputs, and that is what I want/require in a new work-EDC purchase.
The LED lenser TIR optic seems to be agreed-upon as a very good optic, much better than a basic aspheric lens in regards to light output efficiency, and overall beam pattern. But the low-ish output (only an issue at the flood end really, due to the advanced TIR) is an issue for me. If it is moddable up to around 800lm it could be a serious contender.
edit: I just checked the LED Lenser website, it appears I got the output numbers wrong in my post above, my mistake. The P5.2 is only 140lm I think mainly due to the fact it only supports AA and is not 14500 compatible; the P5R.2 is 270lm using a 14500. The “R” version (for rechargable) actually would NOT be good for me. I tried a rechargeable light for a while and I could not avoid forgetting it at my desk on the charger, when I went downstairs (I come and go from my desk frequently all day). Removing the light from my belt holster leads to me forgetting it at my desk - just popping in a new battery and putting the light right back on my belt is best for me. That, and the P5R.2 is getting pretty far up there in price, at $110.
The thing is, since you choose between flood or spot you get similar brightness to a regular reflector flashlight.
This is what a regular 1000 lm flashlight looks like:
On flood, the p5r.2 has almost the same brightness as the flood from the regular flashlight, just without the bright spot in the middle.
When focused, it has the same brightness spot but without the flood.
So even though the lumen total is much lower, you get the same brightness flood or same brightness (and throw distance) spot as a much higher lumen flashlight, just not both at the same time.
Plus you get the benefit of much longer runtime with the lower lumen output, like 5x or 10x longer than a 14500 flashlight that does 1000lm.
I don’t really see it the same way, I wouldn’t call them “almost the same brightness” just because the even lighting of 270lm was the same lux as the spill from a reflector light with hotspot. That is convoluting the difference between Lumens and Lux, and how different lenses/reflectors can be used to focus lumens into a high-lux hotspot, or spread lumens out over a large even area which results in lower lux.
I guess I should have specified - I have more use for flood, hence why I currently carry a quad. I was considering a zoomie to try and add some throw capability into a single light, but I would still primarily use the flat, even, flood light more frequently.
I’m not comparing a zoomie to 1200lm of a traditional reflector light with hotspot and spill, I’m comparing it to the beam pattern from my purpose-chosen S41, and it is very similar to a zoomie/lenser (the wall of light-with-zero-hotspot that you mention) - but it’s 1200lm, not 270. I’m not willing to give up that high floodlight output, or at least not much of it. As mentioned above, I was hoping to supplement my current floodlight with some throw - but not at (too much) expense to the flood end.
Heres a link to the mod thread. I use the burl because it’s tough like oak but doesn’t split easily because there isn’t continuous grain anywhere and I can make the ID and OD whatever I need. Tools have had wooden handles for as long as we’ve had tools. Some will like it on a light, some not, not a problem. Being a carpenter I already have an affinity and a personal bias for it. Since I first saw EDC’s Match modded Micromag I’ve enjoyed doing similar work, the wood is just the most recent form it’s taken. Last year I picked up a 2AA light from orchard that supposedly uses the led lenser style optic. The host is meh but I picked it up anyway on the chance that it would make a decent addition to a 2 x 14500 minimag with a buck driver.
A decently built zoomie that I like to give away (lightly modded) is the Supfire A2. It is super-cheap at Hobbyking.
Features:
-Elegant looking
-Well built
–18650 cell
-Electronic switch
-So-so user interface with decent modes
-Low frequency pwm
-USB-port for in-light charging
It helps improving the spot modus and the tint by replacing the XM-L2 led for a (possibly dedomed) smaller led on a copper board (XP-G2 or Nichia 219C)
djozz, I thought I had never heard of that light, but then I remembered your thread about “how to mod a muggle light”.
I just re-read through the description on HobbyKing - looks decent but unfortunately the unavoidable strobe modes are an instant deal-breaker for an EDC.
What is your current preferred zoomie for you? (not for muggles) Is it still the i3 that you mentioned several months ago?
Yes, my favorite is still the i3, although it is funny enough maybe a bit too small. I gave it away to Mitko btw, and atm I carry a heavily modded Ultrafire AT-007 (under $5 AA zoomie with $20 worth of parts and many hours of work, love the 700lm flood and the 42kcd throw 
). But I’m going to re-make my i3 (I have bought 2 more for modding), but now with N. 219C R9050 sm353 led
Zoom lights are the only way to go for EDC imo