Nichia E17A/E21A Skilhunt H04RC Group Buy

If you want my opinion, I have been using my H04 with 2000+3000 E21A since February and yes the CCT shift is noticeable when shining on a wall, but in real use I rarely notice it, and I use it a lot, I love this thing. I can’t speak for larger CCT difference.

While I wouldn’t say no to a truly uniform beam, I would be interested to know the optical efficiency with the Gaggione TIR, would it be worse or better ? I dont want to loose output for an uniform beam, I say that as someone who will generally try to eliminate tint shift (like green corona) by slicing or diffusing, with output loss.

I’m from France and I’m disappointed to see that shipping still cost 15€ for me… I should check what other interesting things they have.

Nothing much to do this morning so I measured the CCT shift, perpendicularly along the 2000K (red dots) and 3000K axis (blue dots) so where the shift is the most prominent, at output level 3/5 with the default optic :

Does an even mix using E21A have this problem as well? e.g. 2x 3500k and 2x4000k since the example shown was unevenly mixed.

Yes, but 3500K + 4000K should be minimal.

I see. Updated mine just to be safe. Thanks for the update Clemence.

What a nice dilemma. I went for 3000K + 4000K. Now I wonder should I opt for 3500K insted? Maukka test showed that the 3000+4000 combo sits lower of the BBL line. Decisions decisions…

In this extreme super rosy mix (2000K + 6500K) the color mixing lens is needed although E17A module was used.

[Clemence]

Wow just watching this groupbuy happen is so dramatic and suspensful, first I was really bummed to miss out on such a custom gem, but now I see how much careful tinkering goes into it and I am almost happy I missed out because I wouldn’t dare touching this beauty without wearing silk gloves :stuck_out_tongue:

So if we want the new lens solution, we just PayPal you an additional $3.70, correct?

Yes, but please hold on until I fully tested the new optic. Should be here in 1-2 days.

[Clemence]

Will the new optic affect the measurements in your e17A/e21a reference thread?

I used white reflective tube without reflector nor lenses. The beam/tint shots made partially integrated

Well, I’m definitely going for the more expensive optics.
It’s just a small bump in price imho for what is going to be my best flashlight.

Received the optic. Only thicker O-ring (for these Gaggiones) left to search now.

Contrary to my prediction, with this Gaggione, color mixing is better with E21A, perhaps because it’s floodier (bigger die) by nature. Almost 100% perfect mixing (to eyes) achieved for anything up to 3000K CCT difference. But for extreme cases such as 2000K+6500K wider lens is still needed, which I didn’t ordered. But, the color separation of extreme 2000K/6500K is only noticeable on white wall at very close distance. Normal uses won’t show it

The success key of Gaggione is how they distribute the focal point in spiraling arrangement. So the hot spots are more evenly distributed, not just diffused

[Clemence]

good news. So how should I pay the extra $$ to get these for my 2 lights?

Man, you have to love the dedication Clemence is showing with this

Nice photo btw.

Looks like a work of art :+1:

Will it make any difference for non-mixed LEDs?

I think I ordered the 3500K straight and the amount is cheap so I’m curious if there’s any advantage to picking up the lens? Is it just more flood?

Clemence; Testing both the LLC22M and LLC22W is there a difference in output between them?

I am also curious about this. I ordered a 2700k version and would like to see if the nonmixed leds look as nice as the mixed leds. If it does i dont mind paying the extra for the lens if there are no downsides.