I’d been pushing TK for Anduril 2 for awhile and was excited to hear about V2. I was extremely bummed out to find there’s no turbo in the Simple UI. There should be a setting in Advanced that enables a 2 click turbo. I can’t understand why that was disabled when you can change the ceiling to max but lose out on having a High. Can someone urge TK to change the damn thing?
Not everyone who’ll use the Simple UI wants restrictions to the output. Not many want to buy a 3000 lumen flashlight to be restricted in its output. It should be a setting.
I feel Anduril should only be used on select BLF models as it’s ruining the market. I’m so pleased Convoy refused to use it. As a dealer it’s no fun having to selling Anduril to muggles, and I don’t have a say in who I sell to, they’re just up for sale.
Even Sofirn told me they hate Anduril as there’s too many returns and user issues, but everyone here demands they use it
Yeh, exactly. Wonder how many of those returns are because of being 1 click “off”…
Andy is great as far as flexibility, but damn, it’s just too easy to hurt yourself.
My biggest like is just being able to control the button-light so that it stays on when the light’s on. But at least that takes 7 clicks to get there.
People might sneer at “simple” UIs like on the SP31v2, but there ain’t gonna be many (if any) returns because of the UI.
Biscotti, something like 30 clicks to get into programming mode before it starts buzzing.
Narsim, similar, press’n’hold like 30sec or whatever to get into programming mode.
Andy? Hell, half the click sequences go changing or configging things whether you want it or not.
Great for the “expert” with eidetic memory who memorised the manual and uses almost all those operations on a daily basis for practice, but not so great for mom or sis or Joe The Mechanic down the street (who still sticks a minimag in his mouf to see what he’s doing).
I dunno what to tell you. We get beat up for having too little, beat up for having too much, and every possible thing in between. Some want the Zebra UI, some love ramping, some hate it. Some want SOS, some won't buy a light with SOS - on and on and on...
With turbo max, some want it safe, well maybe we all do, but many want sic output out of a pinky size light - can't have it both ways so easily.
We should have come out with something simple for mass use but I tell you what - if I were to do that then it's no longer a hobby.
Anduril/2 is architected pretty well for implementing alternate UI's.
My own opinion would be use the core UI of Anduril:
1C ON to last level, 1C off
1H from OFF to lowest low, 1H from ON is up/dn
2C to max/turbo
Everything beyond that is optional, choosing ramping or fixed # of levels, blinkies, lockout, momentary, AUX/switch LED support, and everything else. The 1-Series solves the temperature calibration problem, and in theory may make the voltage calibration unnecessary based on the driver and keeping parts consistent.
We could provide a simple app to custom configure what they want, save the result in a HEX file, putting the custom configuration in the hands of the seller/manufacturer. So no configuration UI involved. The manufacturer can decide whether to expose the flash pads or not (just 3 for the 1-Series).
A lot of these issues could be mitigated if Anduril had a “basic/regular” mode (perhaps less limited than Muggle Mode) that was shipped as the default, and reserved the full/advanced mode as something that has to be unlocked, for those who are so inclined, and can handle it, like hobbyists and those here.
The regular folks who buy lights from Amazon could remain oblivious and never know the difference, but not have an obviously gimped light, as far as output goes. Even a number of those aware of it could exercise caution, knowing it’s for advanced users.
Otherwise, it’s like shipping computers that default boot into the CLI, while most use the GUI.
I should also add that these companies don’t do themselves any more favors by noting “hidden” modes and Anduril when marketing to the common folk, because a good number of them will not resist, even if warned, and require support or do returns.
I love Anduril, but for Muggles should be a physical switch on the driver with which the user can switch between a Simple UI (with turbo) and full Anduril. The default setting should be SUI, with it you can easily give the flashlight as a gift for anybody.
I absolutely understand that but I just can’t understand why it’s not a setting that can be enabled? If Simple UI can have the ceiling increased for max output, then why isn’t there a setting to enable regular turbo? Makes absolutely no sense and partially ruins the Simple UI having no ceiling limit for High.
If “Simple UI” is to make it more “safe” then why on earth is there even a possibility to configure ceiling to max?
Nah, no one needs a switch on the driver or anything of the kind. Just hide the configgy type sequences so that they’re harder to get to.
4 clicks into lockout, hold for 30sec. Click 30 times for the “buzzing” into programming mode. Anything harder than 3click/hold or whatever, so that The Muggle can’t accidentally mung normal operation.
Please don’t forget that Anduril is open source. You can change it exactly like you like it. What ToyKeeper makes with Anduril is her personal preference and that is all that counts.
Yes, but as a dealer, it’s been pushed onto many models and I certainly can’t spend time flashing everything.
Make Anduril available as an option users can flash themselves instead of asking it on every damn model that’s released, that’s the problem I’m facing as a store owner
Maybe just have a BLF line up of certain lights, but no, everyone demands it on everything
I’m still trying to figure out why no love for narsim. It does all the basics, lets you config the Hell out of it, and doesn’t blow up in your face if you miss a click.
I got it on my Q8s and GTmicros and would hand those even to The Muggle in a pinch. Got (great) ramping, easy to learn up to 5 clicks, not much chance to hurt yourself otherwise.
So why isn’t anyone armtwisting Simon or Sofirn or whoever, to consider that? Are people so interested in using lightning mode on a headlamp or candle mode on a CW thrower?
I’d miss some of the tweaks like an always-lit switch, but I could get used to it.
Yeah, they do. we are slightly technical minded flashlight wise, and we have usually used them before, most are not and haven’t
It is much easier to flick a switch than navigate this - (sorry if this isn’t the official one, I just grabbed it from the thread) - all I see here is confusion. We now have ‘holds’?
Hard switch or remember this lot when you are out in the middle of nowhere…… I’ll take the switch lol
I actually think it’s quite clear - bearing in mind all the options you have to show/describe - that said it is still a huge amount to remember - imagine you lost the instructions whilst out somewhere….
That’s why there’s usually a stepped UI as well. I have no interest in runtime, we all have different requirements. You like stepped modes, I like both, and that’s okay
We’ve had “holds” on even NarsilM. Hold to increase the brightness which would be written as 1H. 5H would be 4 clicks and the 5th is a hold. Had quite a few “hold” commands on Anduril V1
That Simple UI diagram makes me LOL, it looks far from simple for the average user “muggle”
I like smooth ramping. I’m in the woods at night a lot. Sometimes all night.Sometimes unplanned. I often use as little light as possible. It’s different every night depending on moon, snow, no snow, trail, no trail, tree cover, terrain, etc. No idea how much power I’m consuming, but it’s as little as possible. Old habit.
The problem with Andruil is not in the design, its with the implementation. Since the 1960’s flashlights had one one function and one button. Today they still have one button except Andrul introduces potentially hundreds of permutations of dozens of functions.
Its simply not workable with one button.
Some manufacturers introduced the idea of a small display . This is a step in the right direction.
we are slightly technical minded flashlight wise, and we have usually used them before, most are not and haven’t
