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Bort · January 19, 2015, 3:48am

subscribed…

southland · January 19, 2015, 3:57am

Does this look like a real 980L? Did the original 980L tail cap look like the one linked. Thinking about this one.

ReyLight · January 19, 2015, 3:58am

How many winners are you going to choose? 50 "likes" is the ticket?

The Cash Coupon sucks.

Bort · January 19, 2015, 4:08am

Isn’t the possibility of store credit enough, the best part is if the review is posted on BLF there will be no likes at all.

tinywind.com · January 19, 2015, 6:35am

It is not a game, the winners are not chosen by us, if you meet the requirements we posted, we would make the cash back in the form of coupons as we promised. 50 likes is just like the ticket to get your cash back, thank you.

Bort · January 19, 2015, 6:51am

You are asking people to pay you to work for you and you promise to give them store credit (not a refund) if they meet your requirements.
A review takes more hours then most lights are worth at minimum wage, i would not accept such a proposal.
So you make money from people paying you to do your advertising and you wonder why we are not interested.

tinywind.com · January 19, 2015, 6:52am

Ronin42:

Thank you for your opening offer.

This is why it seems one sided to me/us.

you have only largely generic lights

if we used your proposal you would, sell a light, get a free review, leverage this or other social media, and then maybe provide credit for us to buy more stuff.

Humm it’s just not that interesting.

Considering you are carrying largely lower quality lights, which may or may not be that interesting to read reviews of (lets be honest) a key point being the relative “interest” is linked to the uniqueness or desirability of the light(s).

How about counteroffer:

You ask us for feedback on which 5 lights we would want to review. (market info for you)
We vote/respond with specific lights. (we have looked at your selection from a site visit)
You select the top 5 lights in terms of votes. (we get to see how responsive you are)
We request to review them. ((again market data for how many are interested in which lights)
You select who the first 5 reviewers will be (aka random selection)
You send the lights. (yes out of pocket cost for you, of wholesale Chinese prices, “not that much”)
You get the reviews completed and posted. (bottom up interest)
From there you decide if you want to go through an additional iteration. (Did you receive your investments worth? Up to you to decide)

I am not trying to be rude, just honest.

You are trying to sell lights that probably we can all either live without or can find “replacements for” at a lower cost through other known suppliers.

I believe we are willing to work with you but for an offer to be interesting there needs to be “investment” and benefit on both sides.

that are great ideas from you, we will use the idea on my next promotion. Could you now pick out some items you like and would like to see on our site? Thanks a lot for your idea! Have nice day!

tinywind.com · January 19, 2015, 6:53am

We promise the ultrafire are genuine.

tinywind.com · January 19, 2015, 7:20am

We always know it is not easy and light to make reviews on the items as we have seen so many bloggers, youtubers takes much times on making written and video reviews.
We launch this promotion event as we would like to encourage our customers to make reviews and speak out their thoughts on our products and services, so that we could improve our products and services for you all. We have said that we value every customers, and we value everyone who have gave us supports and their efforts, so we do not only offer the coupons who meet the requirements in the event this time, but also offer some other favorable deals or gifts for others who make purchase but no reviews or make reviews on our products even though they do not have 50 likes, do not have 150 views.
We do not push you to buy from us, we just consider it as gifts to you who support Tinywind.

Thanks for your feedback.

Bort · January 19, 2015, 7:25am

tinywind.com:

Bort:

tinywind.com:

WWEFANS:

How many winners are you going to choose? 50 “likes” is the ticket?

It is not a game, the winners are not chosen by us, if you meet the requirements we posted, we would make the cash back in the form of coupons as we promised. 50 likes is just like the ticket to get your cash back, thank you.

You are asking people to pay you to work for you and you promise to give them store credit (not a refund) if they meet your requirements.
A review takes more hours then most lights are worth at minimum wage, i would not accept such a proposal.
So you make money from people paying you to do your advertising and you wonder why we are not interested.

We always know it is not easy and light to make reviews on the items as we have seen so many bloggers, youtubers takes much times on making written and video reviews.
We launch this promotion event as we would like to encourage our customers to make reviews and speak out their thoughts on our products and services, so that we could improve our products and services for you all. We have said that we value every customers, and we value everyone who have gave us supports and their efforts, so we do not only offer the coupons who meet the requirements in the event this time, but also offer some other favorable deals or gifts for others who make purchase but no reviews or make reviews on our products even though they do not have 50 likes, do not have 150 views.
We do not push you to buy from us, we just consider it as gifts to you who support Tinywind.

Thanks for your feedback.

You do not understand, instead of you paying for advertising like most companies you want us to pay you to do your advertising then if you like the review you will give store credit (not even a refund)

brad · January 19, 2015, 7:33am

Do CPF members get worked like this?

Bort · January 19, 2015, 7:35am

probably not, this is BLF and whats more budget then paying negative dollars for advertising

Ronin42 · January 19, 2015, 7:36am

tinywind.com:

Ronin42:

Thank you for your opening offer.

This is why it seems one sided to me/us.

you have only largely generic lights

if we used your proposal you would, sell a light, get a free review, leverage this or other social media, and then maybe provide credit for us to buy more stuff.

Humm it’s just not that interesting.

Considering you are carrying largely lower quality lights, which may or may not be that interesting to read reviews of (lets be honest) a key point being the relative “interest” is linked to the uniqueness or desirability of the light(s).

How about counteroffer:

You ask us for feedback on which 5 lights we would want to review. (market info for you)
We vote/respond with specific lights. (we have looked at your selection from a site visit)
You select the top 5 lights in terms of votes. (we get to see how responsive you are)
We request to review them. ((again market data for how many are interested in which lights)
You select who the first 5 reviewers will be (aka random selection)
You send the lights. (yes out of pocket cost for you, of wholesale Chinese prices, “not that much”)
You get the reviews completed and posted. (bottom up interest)
From there you decide if you want to go through an additional iteration. (Did you receive your investments worth? Up to you to decide)

I am not trying to be rude, just honest.

You are trying to sell lights that probably we can all either live without or can find “replacements for” at a lower cost through other known suppliers.

I believe we are willing to work with you but for an offer to be interesting there needs to be “investment” and benefit on both sides.

that are great ideas from you, we will use the idea on my next promotion. Could you now pick out some items you like and would like to see on our site? Thanks a lot for your idea! Have nice day!

I think we are getting closer. In your above quote you said “we will use the idea on my next promotion.” But you then say “Could you now pick out some items you like and would like to see on our site?”

A let us know when the “next promotion” is the current promotion.
B I think you are asking which manufactures we would like to see you carry?
C Or are you asking which lights we would like to review from your current listed inventory? (this would be the proposed first step if this is now your current promotion).

Please feel free to clarify.

tinywind.com · January 19, 2015, 8:04am

Ronin42:

tinywind.com:

Ronin42:

Thank you for your opening offer.

This is why it seems one sided to me/us.

you have only largely generic lights

if we used your proposal you would, sell a light, get a free review, leverage this or other social media, and then maybe provide credit for us to buy more stuff.

Humm it’s just not that interesting.

Considering you are carrying largely lower quality lights, which may or may not be that interesting to read reviews of (lets be honest) a key point being the relative “interest” is linked to the uniqueness or desirability of the light(s).

How about counteroffer:

You ask us for feedback on which 5 lights we would want to review. (market info for you)
We vote/respond with specific lights. (we have looked at your selection from a site visit)
You select the top 5 lights in terms of votes. (we get to see how responsive you are)
We request to review them. ((again market data for how many are interested in which lights)
You select who the first 5 reviewers will be (aka random selection)
You send the lights. (yes out of pocket cost for you, of wholesale Chinese prices, “not that much”)
You get the reviews completed and posted. (bottom up interest)
From there you decide if you want to go through an additional iteration. (Did you receive your investments worth? Up to you to decide)

I am not trying to be rude, just honest.

You are trying to sell lights that probably we can all either live without or can find “replacements for” at a lower cost through other known suppliers.

I believe we are willing to work with you but for an offer to be interesting there needs to be “investment” and benefit on both sides.

that are great ideas from you, we will use the idea on my next promotion. Could you now pick out some items you like and would like to see on our site? Thanks a lot for your idea! Have nice day!

I think we are getting closer. In your above quote you said “we will use the idea on my next promotion.” But you then say “Could you now pick out some items you like and would like to see on our site?”

A let us know when the “next promotion” is the current promotion.
B I think you are asking which manufactures we would like to see you carry?
C Or are you asking which lights we would like to review from your current listed inventory? (this would be the proposed first step if this is now your current promotion).

Please feel free to clarify.

Of course, use the idea on my next promotion.
You could not answer the question of “Could you now pick out some items you like and would like to see on our site?” from me, I just need to know if you have really interested items from our site as you are the person who make the great proposal.

msg1285 · January 19, 2015, 12:04pm

Olight, Fenix, Nitecore or even convoy just as a small start. There are many other quality light companies available, another way is maybe some not “-fire” brand. You see it doesn’t worth it to spend hours to review a $20 light.

On a side note I did take a chance and order 3 brands of your 18650 batteries with coupon codes they were a very good price. Now to see if they are real or relabeled crap and if they show up before spring.

southland · January 19, 2015, 1:10pm

OK, I ordered the Ultrafire 980L because it was only $25.90 after using the $15 off $30 coupon. Never owned one but have read it’s a legend and I have always wanted one. Let’s see how quick it arrives and if it’s a genuine Ultrafire 980L. Come on TinyWind, let’s see what kind of service you provide.

Undecided on doing a review, just a good price on the 980L.

snakebite · January 19, 2015, 12:40pm

this review model is stillborn.
even when a sample is sent to me free it takes me a while to get to it as my time is worth much more than any of these cheap trinkets.
it has to wait till i have nothing better to do,bad weather,ect.
so now you want a potential reviewer to buy the item too?

Dimbo_The_Blinky · January 19, 2015, 12:47pm

Nah. They go begging.

hank · January 19, 2015, 3:20pm

I hope you’ll add your review of the TinyWind Ultrafire 980L to the main thread at Review: Ultra Fire UF-980L
It will be very interesting to see a comparison of what’s being shipped under that name now, with what was being shipped a few years ago when it was exciting news.
Half the early price is reasonable after a few years, if it’s still the same quality product, or improved over that to modern emitter, etc.

ReyLight · January 19, 2015, 3:56pm

Still confused. Does everyone who has FB 50likes get the coupon?

If so, I'm in. I found my interest in this 19.9$ Solarforce X2.

also this one,0.01$ USB light.

EDIT: In this case, I pay 19.9$,get the X2,write a review and get 50 likes,

then I get 19.9$ coupon, to afford another X2.

So:19.9$=2*X2. seems 50% off on any item.