Sorry, just realised that you’re talking about POVD as opposed to have the aux lights display voltage. That is another reason I don’t like POVD, the voltage sag you mentioned.
imo no, because, the LVP circuit trips during actual use, iow, during voltage sag… It is misleading to measure recovered voltage, since the resting voltage will be higher than the operating voltage.
so imho, measuring the sagging voltage is the more relevant measurement.
When I take a resting voltage reading, I know that it reads higher than it will when I actually use the light.
In order to have a margin of error that accounts for expected Voltage Sag, I recharge when I see a resting voltage of less than 3.7V. Because I know that the operating voltage will be lower. And it is the Operating Voltage that triggers LVP, not the resting voltage.
Also, I dont intentionally deep discharge my LiIon on a regular basis. It is not good for the battery to wait for LVP to shut the light off. LiIon service life is better if recharged before LVP shuts the light off.
It is also not convenient, or can even be downright unsafe, to have a light shut itself off while I am using it…
I believe that’s actually a hardware limitation because the RGB aux is tied in with the button RGB aux.
I recently modded my X4Q and desoldered the front aux (don’t really care for them) and then set the button aux to be on while the main LEDs are on.
Based on the post-on-voltage-display suggestion, I may try implementing that. Grab the voltage right at turn on and then display for a number of seconds either green, orange, red, or blinking red. Much more intuitive then the color spectrum.
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One more thought that just crossed my mind on disabling the POVD by default (which essentially would mean to remove this feature for anyone who is not very well versed in Anduril): Regarding the battery voltage, there has not only been the introduction of the POVD, but also the introduction of a two-decimal battery check via 3C from Off. The two-decimal reading is more precise than the previous one-decimal reading, but it also takes longer, and apparently not everyone likes it.
Personally, I like the quick POVD, and I also like to have the slow two-decimal reading via 3C from Off at hand. These two, the quick and the slow, go very well together. Taking away (essentially) the quick POVD would result in an imbalance, because then - apart from setting the aux LED color to voltage - there would only be the slow two-decimal reading left. Does this make sense?
This is my preferred implementation of automatic Voltge Color Aux. It allows me to use Low Brightness Aux… And it works as a Pre-On batt check, instead of Post-Off
POVD produces High Brightness Aux when turning off the light… I find that disturbing when turning off a light that I used at low lumen output, and Im wanting to go back to sleep after a walk to the latrine.
in any case, IF POVD was only enabled in Advanced Mode, but not in Simple mode, everybody wins 
Not sure what’d be worse… The Muggle not even knowing about a particular default-off feature, not even missing it, and not being to turn it on if he somehow reads about it, or The Muggle being stuck with a default-on feature that he hates, and not being able to turn it off.
And what about people who are color-blind? Sounds pretty “ableist” to stick then with a feature which confuses them, and/or constantly reminds them of it. 
Understood that enabling this feature by default causes a lot of initial confusion and apparently also lasting annoyance.
Rather than removing the POVD completely from Simple UI, I would prefer it to be disabled by default (for Advanced UI and for Simple UI), and to keep it an option that is inherited by Simple UI when configured/enabled in Advanced UI.
This would be a flexible approach. For example, I have been using Simple UI in the past for various reasons (such as when I did not want to accidentally end up in Momentary Mode with 5C), but not to avoid the POVD.
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that was my original suggestion, but so many people that like POVD complained that they did not want to have to enable it, and Sammy pointed out that developer motivation is to make it a default in order to showcase the new feature.
So I changed my suggestion to just disable it in Simple mode, to solve all the newbie confusion… Leaving everyone else who uses Advanced mode with the POVD enabled by default.
anyway, thanks for your thoughts, and to all who voted
final results is that the poll on both BLF and CPF resulted in 2 to 1 in favor of disabling POVD by default.
But Anduril is not a Democracy… LOL!
I dont know if any change to POVD default will actually ever happen…
No big deal to an advanced user, that knows how to change Anduril options…
I will leave it to others to help all the newbies that get confused by POVD.
Thank you very much for initiating this poll.
By the way, help at least for the “initial confusion” or for the “every other Reddit post” aspect of POVD being enabled by default might also come from the manufacturers. You may have been aware of this already, but just today, when I came across the Fireflies website after a longer time, I noticed that the flashlights’ UI description prominently features the POVD. Here is an exemplary screenshot from the latest flashlight entry, the L70 Helios:
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Turning a light off and getting an annoying set of flashing colored lights is just dumb .
People who haven’t seen it shouldn’t have the right to an opinion . They have no idea how wrong it is .
Like you said if you’re already in the lowest mode , turning the light off and getting brighter multiple colors is just wrong .
Turning it off was a huge pain n the butt .
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I understand why someone might not like it, but I don’t think it’s dumb or wrong. In fact, I believe the feature is thoughtfully designed. I noticed that the brightness of the POVD display adjusts based on the output of the main LEDs, switching to a lower level when the main LEDs are below a certain brightness. Additionally, you can customize the duration for monitoring voltage sag after high output, adding to its versatility.
The first time I saw it on my TS10 RGB, I loved it so much that I ended up reflashing all my Anduril lights to include the feature. As you may know, the TS10 has some of the brightest aux lights, making the POVD especially noticeable.
With POVD, I discovered new ways to use the aux LEDs. Previously, I typically set my RGB aux LEDs to display voltage on high, allowing me to quickly check the important battery status even in well-lit environments. After the POVD update, however, I could repurpose the aux LEDs—for example, setting them to a different color, like red on high, which is particularly useful in the dark. Alternatively, I could keep the voltage indicator in low mode, which is ideal for very dark settings but less practical in brighter conditions. Before this update, I avoided using the low aux LEDs because they were particularly hard to see on some lights with TIR lenses. With POVD, I can now easily check the battery voltage both in the dark and in well-lit environments.
true, below 1 lumen, the POVD uses Low brightness Aux… but at any output above 1 lumen, POVD uses High Brightness Aux…
I would be less bothered by the POVD, if it used Low Brightness Aux at any output below 10 lumens.
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Anduril has no idea of lumens – all it knows about are brightness levels, which vary from 1-150, higher meaning brighter and 150 usually being reserved for FET direct driving in lights that are capable of it.
So no (easy/viable) way to do that by lumens – but it’s easy to do if we can indicate a brightness level (1-150).
And here’s an idea: what about having two distinct limits, say L1 and L2? If the main LEDs’ brightness level at time of power off are above L2, POVD would turn the Aux LEDs on high; between L1 and L2, or would turn them on low, and below L1, wouldn’t turn them on at all?
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In nearly all Anduril lights, except those from Wurkkos, the aux LEDs on high are well below 1 lumen.
Here are some measurements of aux LED output on HIGH, taken by placing each light directly in front of a lux meter:
Noctigon KR4 (frosted optic): 210 lux (all RGB on), 40 lux (blue only)
Emisar D4K: 160 lux (all RGB on), 40 lux (blue only)
Wurkkos TS10 RGB: 2200 lux (all RGB on), 1000 lux (blue only)
Fireflies E07X: 70 lux (all RGB on), 14 lux (blue only)
As shown, Wurkkos lights have exceptionally bright aux LEDs (sometimes about 80 times brighter). In contrast, the high aux mode on other lights is much less intense and unlikely to be disruptive.
10 lumens is very close to Level 40/150 (varies slightly by LED, and ceiling setting).
On my D3AA w DeDomed 4500K 519a, level 40/150 is 9.5 lumens, when my ceiling is level 110. With default ceiling of 130, level 40 gives me 9.8 lumens.
I do find POVD disruptive, when I use my light in the middle of the night. That is why I turn it OFF and suggest that OFF should be the Default, at least in Simple Mode.
I use Low Brightness Red Aux on my nightstand. I do not want a Flash of High Brightness Blue Aux, when I turn the light off, to go back to sleep. I avoid Blue light before going to sleep.
Since you dont find POVD disruptive, maybe because you use your light during daylight, you would have the option to Enable POVD. Im guessing you use more than 10 lumens, during the day.
So far the POVD control options include
- Disable by Default, can be enabled by any user that is familiar with Anduril.
- Disable by Default, but only in Simple Mode. Any user that knows how to get to Advanced Mode, could have POVD enabled by default.
- Set POVD to use Low Brightness Aux anytime the light is turned off below 10 lumens, but only in Advanced Mode… I would still want POVD Disabled in Simple Mode.
my point is Advanced users can enable POVD whenever they like… its the beginners who get confused by it being enabled by default in Simple Mode…
imo POVD is mainly a problem in Simple Mode, because new Anduril users dont know what it is and they dont know how to turn it off.
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By the way, I discovered that the POVD uses high brightness (in my Wurkkos TS10) when the main output is set to 25/150 or higher. If the output is below 25/150, the POVD operates on low brightness.
In my TS10, output of 25/150 was below 1 lumen.
Edit: The threshold seems to be different across models. In my Hank lights, the threshold is 15/150.
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I discovered that the POVD uses high brightness (in my Wurkkos TS10) when the main output is set to 25/150 or higher.
confirmed on my TS10 4000K, level 25 does use High Brightness POVD,
In my TS10, output of 25/150 was below 1 lumen.
agree, on my meter the output is 0.7 lumens
These are Advanced Anduril User Options… totally available to people who have the skills to change floors and ceilings, and who know how to Enable POVD…
but my point is still that POVD is an Advanced Feature, that creates confusion for beginners. Thats why I think the Default should be to Disable POVD for beginners… And the polls show that 2 out of 3 people feel the same way.
I suspect the number of beginners who find POVD confusing, is even higher. Because a lot of the people who voted For POVD to be On by Default, are Advanced Users. Even though they could turn it On for themselves, if POVD was Off by Default.
Also, let’s keep in mind that most of the people advocating for POVID being turned on by default are “advanced users” who want flashing pads, certain flavors of µCs, etc., that 99% of normies couldn’t give 2½ shiites about.
Anyone want to feel out what said normies might actually want?
I really don’t want to keep being Negative Nelly, but sometimes I think the… “enthusiasm”… for New Bright Shiny Features is almost a bit of evangelism., like, “Well, we like it, so everyone else will like it, too!”.
After all, why wouldn’t Granma want to set the temperature threshold a few degrees higher to get brighter light for a few seconds more before it throttles down? Even with her arthritic fingers, she can still do 15 clicks’n’hold, no?
Dunno, I just think we all should “read the room” before foisting new features on people, no? Even new useful features might not be as “universal” as we might think.
Just sayin’…
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But that would be different for other lights, no? Just to mention an extreme case, a T9R using a SBT90.2, versus the same light with an SFT40 (at least in terms of max lumens, there would be a 300% difference, at least according to the specs FFL publishes at its product page).
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