Review: Custom Eagletac D25LC2 xp-g2

EagleTac D25LC2 Clicky XP-G2 Custom

Reviewer's Overall Rating: ★★★★★

Summary:

Battery: 1x18650,2xcr123, 2x16430
Switch: Reverse Clicky
Modes: 5 Brightness / 7 Auxiliary
LED Type: Cree XP-G2
Lens: AR coated glass lens
Tailstands: Yes
Price Payed:
From: Direct from Eagletac.com
Date Ordered: Sept 2012

Pros:

  • Exceptionally compact/lightweight 18650 light
  • Offers similar performance of xml lights twice its size
  • Outstanding build quality and overall fit and finish
  • Great Customer service / warranty offered by EagleTac
  • Well spaced modes and intuitive U.I.
  • Working voltage range from 2.7vdc - 8.4vdc
  • Nice reverse clicky switch that allows for tailstanding
  • Reasonably priced

Cons:

  • No true moon mode.
  • No NW tint (was not an option at the time of ordering)

Introduction

It's very rare for me to do product reviews, mainly because the lights I report on have usually been modded to the point where they have little in common with their production based brethren. Even more rare for me is when I get a custom light that I didn't build. That's right folks, the custom D25LC2 here for review is as it was delivered from EagleTac. No emitter reflows, driver swaps, or lathe work on my part...just drop in a fresh battery and go. I must admit, it's refreshing.

So, what sets this light apart from the run of the mill stock? Only one, albeit major difference...and that is the driver. This is a D25LC2 clicky with an XP-G2 emitter AND a C2000RC circuit driver (which is the driver they use for the xm-l). The standard driver as issued with the xpg's from eagletac is the C1500RC (1.5A vs 2.0A). This is a winning combination, as I'll show below. Before I forget, for a more in-depth look at the stock Eagletac please see Kreisler's Opus here. (Thanks Kresil for saving me a lot of typing Wink )

D25LC2 clicky with it's little brother, the D25A Ti clicky

Features/Value: ★★★★★

A good summery can be found on EagleTac's own website here. In use there are two main modes: Head tightened and head loosened. With the head tight, the modes are Max and strobe - Works perfect for me. With the head only slightly loosened, one has access to 3 lower brightness modes (L/M/H). If these are cycled through twice, the 7 auxiliary modes are accessed (blinky modes). I find this arrangement perfect, because they won't activate accidently yet they are still there if needed. The L/M/H output of the head loosened mode can further be lowered by cycling the head from loose to tight 3 times starting from the loose position and the light on. Here's the output of the various modes (sans blinkies):

Mode OTF lumens group 1 OTF lumens group 2
Low 21.9L 8.2L
Med 108.3L 64.6
High 375L 374L
Turbo 517L 517L

I find the above mode spacing in Group 2 (almost) ideal. I would like to see a lower low mode of ~ .5 - 1L. I'm being nitpicky, but personally that's the only fault I can find with this light.

Design/Build Quality: ★★★★★

My light came with a well centered emitter, lubed and square cut threads, and nice fitting o-rings. Not that I make a habit of such things, but it did survive the impromptu fall into a full bathtub due to a moment of "butterfingers". There was nary a hint of water penetration to be found.

The plastic lanyard split ring at first frightened and confused me.... (caveman grunt here). After realizing that in the event of getting the light snagged on, oh say, a moving piece of machinery...it would be much better for the split ring to give way than ones wrist. The clip can be removed via the retaining ring on the end and...ready for this? If one chooses, it can be easily replaced with a deep pocket carry clip! I consider that a big win for those who don't like the tailcaps sticking out (like me).

The 4sevens deep pocket clip, while just slightly tighter than the original, snapped easily into place and fit like a glove.

As noted above, primary mode groups are switched via tightening and loosening the head. Due to excellent thread fit, this process requires only ~ 1/16th of a twist to activate.

Size wise, it is one of the smallest 18650 clickys out there. It also compares favorably to single and double AA lights. All things considered, this is the best size/output/runtime combination I've come across. Here's a few photos to illustrate that:

Above from left to right: Quark AA2 turbo, Solarforce L2P, EagleTac D25LC2, Trustfire R5-A3, Quark AA X, and EagleTac D25A Ti. Same order below (without the quark turbo):

Light Output: ★★★★★

Looking at the above pictures, notice how much smaller the D25LC2 is than the L2P. Here's the neat thing....after spending considerable time the last two nights playing around outside, I had a very hard time finding much difference in use between the two - which equates to better runtime from a much smaller package along with a superior U.I. How is this possible? My guess is because the XP-G2's throw and spot size (when driven at 2 amps) are able to match the much larger reflector of the P60/XML. The lumen difference spread out in the spill, which for me, is harder to notice. To better illustrate this, I'll post up some beamshots in a moment. First, here's a quick table summarizing output and throw of various lights that I own (except for the stock D25LC2 xml - those numbers are from eagletac's website):

Light OTF lumens Throw
Eagletac D25LC2 xpg2 custom 517L 11,500cd
Zebra SC60 300L 3,000cd
Shiningbeam S-mini (xpg2) 327L 6,650cd
MF UF 3mode XML drop-in 838L 11,400cd
EagleTac D25LC2 XML 548L 5,200cd
NaitHawk M.1 rotory xpg 186L 6,520cd
Quark AA2 Turbo xpg 241L 8,250cd
Quark AA2 X xml 341L 2,970cd
CNQG 1x18650 host xml 726L 6,120cd

So, comparing the the Eagletac to the ubiquitous Manafont UF XML P-60 drop-in, on paper it looks to be only slightly behind on thow but ~350L shy on overall output. As I mentioned earlier though, in practical use I did not notice the missing lumens. What I did notice however was the increase in runtime and less overall heat generation, not to mention the the compactness of the torch. Even comparing this custom Eagletac to it's stock brother D25LC2 XML, it only gives up 60L for double increase in lux! I'll take that trade any day.

And now for the beamsots Cool . In the following pics, the distance to the tree house is 36yds and the trees beyond it are at 40yds. Cannon EOS Rebel XTi,ISO 400, aperature 3.5, exposure 2"

I'll post various lights (labeled in the pictures) with a mouse over. In every case, the mouseover will be the custom EagleTac D25LC2 XP-G2:

Summary: ★★★★★

So there you have it. If you're looking for a very small cylindrical 18650 light with a great U.I. AND has a bit of throw, the custom EagleTac D25LC2 XP-G2 is the ticket.

Would you like one yourself? Think it won't happen because you don't have some magic ET connection? Nope. Getting one was the easiest process in the world. In fact, this all started when I contacted ET directly to inquire on obtaining a C2000RC driver to mod my own regular D25LC2 xpg2. The delightful service rep Christina offered to have one made at the factory that way directly - so how was I to refuse? To sneak it into the production took ~ 2 weeks, and shipping was an expedient 2 days from China (new record for me).

So, if you'd like one of your own just contact Eagletac Customer Support and ask Christina you'd like a modded D25LC2 like Match's. Send a little money, sit back and relax, and enjoy the anticipation of receiving the best little 18650 I've had the chance to play with yet. Heck, they may have access to the NW binned xpg2 by now...

Thanks for reading, and if you have any other questions please ask!

-Match

Thanks Match! That XP-G2's beam profile is awesome! It does sound like an excellent substitution for an XM-L when you want more runtime and less concern about heat. Can't wait to get my XP-G2's to play with.

-Garry

Great stuff, Match! I will have to get a few of those XP-G2 emitters to test in my Micro Mac-Lights. Could be a sweet ticket. ;)

Great review and super great pics!! The xpg2 is awesomeness!!

Did you take all the pics on the same night I saw some strange differences but pretty much everything else lines up…. lol

Thanks

You talking about that "brown" in second mouseover? I saw that too. Almost looks like a pile of leaves got blown over, but none of the leaves in front of the camera moved. What the heck is that Match?

-Garry

Ya that and something on the porch also. Lol

Ya that would be a sweet setup JohnnyMac!

Ha! Yes, all the pictures were taken on the same night, within a half an hour. I think that "brown" you're seeing under the tree to the left is light spill from the missus turning on a light in the back room (and tinted from going through the curtains).

Sweet.

Factory modded .

Sweeter .

Ah ha! That makes sense now. It just didn't quite look like leaves. You need to tell her to quit interrupting your very important "research" photographs! :)

-Garry

BTW - Just got my neutral white XP-G2 emitters in the mail a few minutes ago (and they came packaged in a clear 35mm film canister).

:) Don't sell yourself short, sir. Your review was a finely crafted story, complete with background history and character development. To keep myself from plagiarizing your work I figured I just give a well deserved link

This C2000RC driver used in this light is also used in ET's D25LC2 XML version.

She actually handles the idiosyncrasies of this particular hobby quite well, she just didn't know I was still out there at the time.

Nice score on the NW xp-g2's. 3D bin I take it? Still waiting on mine from Cutter (or was it Int' Outdoors? Heck...too many parts on order).

4C and I got mine from Int'l Outdoor.

-Garry

What is the main difference then between C1500RC driver (factory default for XP-G2 R5) and the C2000RC driver (factory default for XM-L)?

Isnt the C1500RC already the optimal driver for XP-G2? :O

Nah…2A-2.5A is the sweet spot for these emitters!

C1500RC = 1.5A turbo mode

C2000RC = 2.0A turbo mode

Yes...cree says the max for the xp-g2 is 1.5amps, which is why ET uses the C1500RC by default. Personal testing though has shown this emitter does quite well at 2 amps, which is why I spec'd the C2000RC. Some may argue that runtime isn't as great - to which I reply: "That's what lower modes are for....". It's easy to get more runtime by using a lower mode....but it's a lot harder to get more output from a driver that's already max'd (in this case, the C1500RC).

Hope that makes sense.

i see. nobody explained it before.

C2000RC => The turbo output is at 2.0A(!), and after 200seconds it drops to 1.6A(!).

C1500RC => The turbo output is at 1.5A(?), and after 200seconds it drops to x.xA(?).

I dont have any light with C1500RC driver, that's why i cant measure the currents..

Good info, thanks Johnny and Match.

In any case i have submitted an order for D25A Clicky Ti XP-G2. On the D25A Clicky Ti both the XP-G2 and the XM-L U2 run off the same driver afaik the A400RC II.

Thats definitely true for me put the KD 2.28a with xpg2 2b it is awesome my favorite setup! Bright and throwy!

Match
Thanks for the explanation on the mystery stuff that was showing up in your pics thought you might have done them on different days and just placed all the random leaves and background stuff all the same way. Lol

Sori for the chili but for those who are good with the original D25LC2 Clicky XP-G2 (coolwhite R5) i can provide a sweet bfl forum discount, especially non-US shoppers will love the price shipped. The Eagletac XP-G2's are stocked now and ready to ship to end customers.

The XP-G2's, as can be seen from this helpful review, are the safest Eagletac emitter choice regarding best tint, best throw, and beam perfection.

Drop me a note and i'll hook you up. Finally, the D25LC2 Clicky XP-G2 is in town!!

Excellent review Match. I dont suppose you have dissected this light? If you do ever remove the insides could you please measure the reflector. My guess would be about 18mm x ? Thanks.