Outstanding! Magnificent work you two. Dale that finish is just beautiful.
I wasn’t really liking how blue/white the emitter was so I de-domed it last night and finished it up this morning. My luck with de-doming XM-L2’s and getting a nice tint is not the best, and that said, this one is no exception. Slightly on the green hued side now, but not enough to be worse than the blue white. And the throw is that little bit better so all in all I guess it wasn’t a horrible move. Of course, I lost lumens. With a fresh off the charger Sony C5 I just got 6.49A at the tail which is good for 1331 lumens OTF, and a 30 second figure of 1204 OTF.
Guess I’m still not completely done, as the tint and output aren’t as perfect as the light itself. sigh.
So what’s the nearest to white I can put in it using an XM-L2 emitter, domed or otherwise? I can’t seem to get one that’s just right. Might have to go with an XP-G2 R5 1A de-domed and call it even. Or go ahead and bore out a reflector for the MT-G2 and fix it up to run the beautiful tint that big emitter is known for. Isn’t 7 the perfect number? If I do go with an MT-G2 in this Ti light, it’ll be number 7 for me. 
It’s a beauty for sure Dale. Whether you put the SBT-70 or keep the de-domed XM-L2 or an MT-G2 in it, You will have a one of a kind light with your signature on it. Very Cool!
Isnt the 4C tint a bit on the warmer side. I too have a love-hate relationship with my dedomed lights. I think they are over-rated unless you are only looking for throw.
I for-see a Mt-G2 in there as the battery tube is already good for 2x 18350 batteries.
Well, most of us knew it was just a matter of time. I got up this morning and wanted to find out if this little 20mm reflector could be made to fit over the big MT-G2 emitter. And the only way to really know, is to do the work. So I bored out the reflectors opening for the emitter and Surprise! It fits! 
So then I took my chopped AA mini mag apart, removed the MT-G2 that, while really neat in that small light, was really being wasted as a mule on the pair of 14250’s. After cutting down the Noctigon to fit into the base of the reflector, and consequently on top of the Sinner Ti’s copper pill, I did the Zener mod on a stock Qlite. I figured 3A to the big emitter should be more than sufficient, and it would keep it in the sweet spot.
So now the light is assembled, looks pretty dang sweet with that big fat emitter glowing in there, and it’s pulling 2.98A from a rested pair of Efest 10A 18350 cells. This is good for a nice 1335 OTF lumens at start, and a surprising 1280 OTF lumens at 30 seconds. Star 4 is engaged for moon mode, which is too low for my meter to pick up. Then Lo shows 24 lumens and Med shows 367 lumens. Nice simple 4 mode light…Moon, 24, 367, and 1280. And it’s white light! Big hot spot so it’s mostly a flood of light.
I’ll get a pic looking into the reflector after while. Pretty cool though, for sure, seeing that big emitter filling the 20mm reflector with yellow…
Feast your eyes on this…
And with Moon mode On…
Moon is so Lo it’s completely useless if there’s ambient light at all, but I’m sure it will be very nice in the dark of the night. Of course, I’ll check it out tonight.
I had some folks at Academy store oohing and ahing with the de-domed XM-L2 yesterday morning, shining it on Hi into the palm of my hand they were freaking out on it’s intensity. Now, the MT-G2 doesn’t put a hot spot in the palm of my hand but makes my entire hand so bright as to be painful to the eyes!
Got a chance to go out in the night between storms, this little Ti light is deceptive! It now puts out a wide flood of light that loses the hot spot with a bit of distance…
Very useful as an EDC in my opinion, with such a massive field of light available and 3 lower modes I’m pretty sure it will be much more useful this way. The tint is also a huge plus, not to mention less than half the current draw lasting longer on cells, with the drawback that the cells are now much lower capacity. Always trade-offs in this game, isn’t there?
Ha! That little devil is just perfect, You’re right the MTG2 does fill it yellow its just beautiful. Awesome work Dale, I think Im going to do a MT-G2 build but im looking for a crazy 4” reflector , guess where i’m getting these crazy ideas from.
Love the colour scheme :heart_eyes: Nice edc, very nice 
Had to bump the power a wee bit, I’m spoiled.
Stacked 2 7135 chips for a new amp draw of 3.74A, 1707 lumens at start with 1615 at 30 seconds. Much better!
Will probably have to do a driver swap and put a BLF17DD Z in this one, with Turbo limited to conserve the pair of 18350’s in the same ballpark it’s running now, 3.5 - 4A. I’ll go with 7 levels to help give a working option on output that should allow battery conservation. With the FET drivers ability to run with low heat, it will help overall in the heat dept. as well.
I’ve had a chance to play with the Sinner Ti with the MT-G2 and it’s pair of Efest 10A Purple 18350’s and while I love the tint, I don’t love the short throw, wide beam profile. In many cases I do, but in an EDC larger light I want it to be a mix of spill and throw, reaching out to at least 100 yds fairly easily. I’d also like some run time, something that doesn’t happen with the little cells and big emitter.
So, today got long. Because I’m very very forgetful. And to show y’all how it goes, I’ll tell ya about it.
I decided to build an BLF17DD FET driver with 7 modes for this light. And in the doing of that I decided to go back to the XM-L2 T6 3C. Staying as close to the tint as possible, but gaining a tighter beam with some distance. Easy enough, right? But for whatever reason the T6 only makes 1140 lumens from the FET driver in this light. Not what I was expecting. So here’s where the memory failure comes into play. I decided to put the MT-G2 back in. Which I did. And tried it. And got the emitter off center. Messed up the dome. Had it running, somehow. But the dome was coming off, with side pressure from the reflector. So, I decided to go back with the XM-L2. Did that. Mind you, each removal was a pita because I’d glued the Noctigon down with Arctic Alumina Thermal Adhesive. But I got the XM-L2 in, loaded up 2 Efest 18350’s and fired it up with the Clamp meter on it. Over 8A! OOPS! 2 cells! Crap! Fried the driver, fried the XM-L2. Had a good laugh at myself. Forgot it wasn’t a Zener modded driver, nor was it a 6V emitter. So tonight I killed an MT-G2, fried an XM-L2, and fried an BLF17DD driver.
Are we having fun yet? Had to disassemble everything…AGAIN, build a new driver, put a new emitter in, and start testing all over…this time with an 18650. 
So now the Sinner Ti is a 7 mode light, running the T6 3C at 6.12A for 1140 lumens in Turbo.
Moon………… 3 lumens
Lo…………… 15 lumens
Lo Med …… 39 lumens
Med………… 98 lumens
Med Hi……465 lumens
Hi………….780 lumens
Turbo……1140 lumens
I’ll get outside and get a beamshot, see if I can catch the resident coyote in the beam…
Hope the switch holds up to 6A!
Edit: Replaced the reflector I’d opened up for the MT-G2 with a stock Convoy S6 reflector, shaved the top off so the bezel could seat. Used a centering ring and it has a nicer beam profile, gained lumens up top to 1280 OTF with an Efest at 4.17V.
Same camera settings, same 97 yds to red drum
I will now stop. The tint here is good, power level is higher than I’d wanted but still offers some 24 minutes in Turbo (by the math) So here is where it stays, and as someone on here is always fond of saying “It is what it is”
You stop. I somehow doubt that Dale. I feel your pain with the mess ups. Damn.
When I realize I like a light a certain way, I sometimes pot everything and glue it together with Arctic Alumina Thermal Adhesive. :bigsmile:
I should note that this is a deterrent. I can defeat the adhesive if I want to bad enough. lol
I don’t mean to rub salt into your wounds, but here comes some… You had higher output on your first emitter/build. I wonder 1. Why it is less now and 2. How high might it have been with an S6 reflector mod like you made in the last iteration?
Hey Dale. When you said you messed up the dome on your MT-G2 , couldn’t you have just sliced it off. I am not critiquing your build at all, just wondering if that would have been an option and would it have gained you some of the throw that you wanted?
But with this being a 20mm reflector I didn’t think it would gain throw. And when the dome pushed sideways with heat, it pulled phosphor off the dies to that side. So the damage was already done.
In the essence of modifying a light, I’m entertaining the idea of what the SBT-70 would do in this light, with this reflector. I know I know I said I was going to stop. But Steve knows I won’t, my wife knows I won’t, and realistically…I know I won’t! lol I could put this XM-L2 T6 3C in the chopped minimag and the SBT-70 in here, it’d keep this a very unique light and give me something to mod while I wait for some of yours to arrive. lol
Boredom is my worst enemy, I mod modded lights that have been modded half to death already! Can’t hurt the Ti host, so why not?
Did you know that if you glue a copper star down using Arctic Alumina Thermal Adhesive it’s fairly easily removed by applying the soldering iron to the edge of the star for 30-40 seconds at around 900ºF? Then it prys off fairly clean.
I should know, I’m getting pretty good at it. hahahahaha
….actually checked out the SBT-70 before sending this out, as it fits on a 20mm Noctigon there might be an issue with the reflector, not sure without taking everything apart. But I can’t see that it would gain me any real output, the tint is on the blue-white side so I’d lose the pretty creamy white tint of the T6 3C. Might just leave it alone after all….
The first build was with an XM-L2 U2 4C emitter, higher binned emitter that pulled a bit more power as well. That would account for the 180 lumens or so in difference.
I had to modify the reflector to fit the big MT-G2 emitter when I switched it over. Then, when I put an XM-L2 back in it at first I used that bored out reflector which seemed to actually catch some of the side light , at any rate the numbers went up when I put the stock reflector back on it with a centering ring.
So the reflector is now as it was when I first completed the build, the emitter is a step down in performance bin, and has a more neutral tint.
I am now experimenting with a cell change, moving down from the Sony C5 to a Panasonic PF. This should give me less output, less amperage (good for the switch) and longer run times with the 2900mAh capacity vs. 2500mAh. The switch is very similar (if not the same) as the reverse clicky found in Solarforce lights. I don’t think it’ll hold up to 6A draw for long. With the Teflon holder for the switch and brass plunger for the clicky activation I’m not sure I can put a heavier duty switch in this light. Still waiting for Matt to get his smart switch going so I can try that variant. Will have to figure out a return spring to keep the brass button pushed away from the e-switch.
The Panasonic PF allows 4.36A as compared to the Sony C5 allowing 6.12A. So obviously the Panny will give longer runtimes and run cooler. At 1270 OTF at start, it’s still a decent amount of light.
I got my first 4000K MT-G2 and put it in the Sinner Ti. Really like the big emitter in this host so I did it again, this time with a warmer version. And I have to say, I’m surprised! It’s like putting a Nichia 219 on steroids in the Ti host, nice warm tint and I did something I haven’t done before…I blurred the dome on the MT-G2 so the individual dies don’t show through. This and the OP reflector pretty much do away with a hot spot, making it a flood of nice warm smooth light.
I’ll have to double check the numbers as my memory fails me, but I think total output is down a couple hundred lumens with this diffuse type light and the lower binning of the emitter. I need to get some pics of it as well, quite a different look not seeing the multiple small dies.
Will it stay like this? Who knows! lol
I’ll be back with some pertinents and a pic or two.
Beautiful mod you have there. :heart_eyes: