And I got 6.42Vf on high. So those 12 7135 chips are scrubbing 2V between em, before taking sag into consideration. Not any worse than a 4.2V cell running a 3Vf emitter with 8 chips.
I’m told the chips DO have a 6V limit, the MCU has a 5V limit.
I also got some crazy numbers taking amperage readings, but can’t believe em so won’t even post em. Ultimately I ended up with a last tail reading of 4.41A, taken the way I always take tail readings. I’ll leave it at that. I will say though, like I did on the other thread where all this is being discussed, this K3 pointed at the ceiling lights up the room better than my S2200, even better than my Elektrolumens Triple XM-L2. And for me, for this little light to do that, that’s saying a lot!
Edit: I set up the Canon G1X in my bedroom, limo tint on the windows and specially made “room darkening” blind drawn tight. (The blinds are narrow with the cord cuts also as tight as they can be made, custom fitted to the window frame to allow minimal light to pass) Aperture priority with aperture on 2.8, ISO on 800. A test exposure took 1 second. The Elektrolumens Triple XM-L2 pulling 8.48A pointed at the ceiling exposed at 1/10 second. Same point for the Solarforce S2200 on Hi, exposed at 1/15 second. Again, same point for the K3 exposed at 1/20 second. The camera shows the K3 is clearly brighter than my other monster lights!
i think the zener limits the voltage to the MCU, but may be wrong... i always thought a zener was used to have a low voltage cutoff, but i dont really know much about this stuff, maybe they can be used in reverse
did you stack the zener and resistor, or remove the stock parts and replace them?
A voltage measurement is only a measure of a potential difference between two points in a circuit. The current-carrying part of the 7135 never sees the 8.4v input voltage, as it has no connection to the positive side of the power circuit, only to the LED- and GND. The voltage between those two points is only 2v.
The zener/resistor mod takes care of limiting the voltage for the MCU and the voltage the MCU applies to the Vdd pin on the 7135.
The zener diode is a controlled leak in the power supply to the MCU. Being installed 'backwards' between the MCU's power pin #8 and ground, any voltage above its rated voltage is 'leaked' away to gnd, so a 4.3v zener will work like a pressure regulator or a bleed-off valve and maintain voltage on that line at... 4.3v. If the voltage applied is less than the rated 4.3v, the zener will block current flow like a normal diode.
The ~200 ohm resistor is there to limit the current available to be leaked away through the zener. Without the resistor the zener would either burn up or waste too much battery power.
In trying to take amperage measurements at the emitter, I took a close look at my stacked chips. The tail numbers I’d gotten previously seemed low at 4.05-4.12A. Seems like one of the chips I added wasn’t making a good connection so I made an attempt to add solder to it to see if I could regain that chip. And it seems to have worked! I’m now getting a solid 4.40A reading, even off not-quite-so-fresh cells. No flickering numbers, easily repeatable 4.40A. The numbers add up to 4.56A at 380mA chips, but I understand the ratings aren’t usually correct and 380’s tend to run a bit lower while 350’s tend to run a bit higher. So this makes perfect sense now and all seems to be working as it should.
Also added some thermal paste around the copper slug in the pill to help it make contact with the sides better. And as mentioned I added a copper plate on top of the chips.
I’ll get the cells charged up fresh and run the heat test again, see if there’s any visible difference in the amount of time it takes to reach Hot!
So I might just have to implement my plan and take it a step further, make a pillar atop the heat sink to bring that dead phoenix back up from the ashes. And here I was thinking they did something right! That’s it! I’m not buying another Solarforce light no matter what! This week.
Had I known that the “copper pcb” was of that variety, I’d never have glued it down! Now how am I gonna get that bad boy outta there? Do you know what bin the MT-G2 is? Like, does Solarforce use the 5000K PO group emitter? Is that one readily available? Cause I’ll flame that one out of there if I have to! Hate liars, and that bogus copper board is a blatant lie! OTOH, it does make a ton of lumens, so a change would only make it better, right? This is the side of modding that gets exasperating…
of being full of hot air, but even I don’t have what it takes to do that! lol And besides, there’s that chunk of copper under there too. Glued in solid with more thermal adhesive. Might as well put it on the burner and reflow it off. IOS here I come! Anything else they specialize in that I should drop in my shopping cart while I’m there?
You’re welcome Lothar. It is indeed a very nice little light. In stock form with a couple of 18350 IMR cells it’d be a pretty neat light to carry. Not all that difficult to make it into a beastie if you so desire.
Going to go ahead with my original idea and create a solid copper column to fit into the host and go through the aluminum shelf in the pill, the Noctigon will sit directly on top of this copper column and heat sink straight into the host body. I will probably reflow the Noctigon directly to this heat-sink in the same step I reflow the emitter and solder contact wires. We’ll see how that goes. I will do the driver end as I’ve done the HD2010 and relieve the solid copper for the driver to sit into. Maximum heat sink and maximum thermal capabilities in one solid chunk of copper approx. 7/8” diameter by approx. 1” in length. I might even take a few pics when the time comes.
Copper bar also ordered, and then some…for the next build. lol Somehow this budget hobby of mine turns out to be not-so-budget.
My wife has a small torch for carmelizing crème brulee, that would do this as well. I need to keep that in mind for heat shrinking too. Thanks Comfy! (Whew! Finally! Something I don’t have to buy!)
No no, you don't use the flame, you use the soldering adapter but with no tip screwed in. There's a ceramic catalyst burner thingamajig in the adapter and nothing but hot air comes out the end.
I hope they’re not expensive, cause I need one of those too! Did I mention next Friday is my birthday? LOL “Don’t worry Dear, I’ve got presents on the way! ”
$26 huh? My neighbor has an oxy/acetylene torch…and a .50 BMG!
I decided to let my camera tell me the pecking order of my lights. So I shut the blinds, set up the tripod and got the G1X ready for some consecutive shots. Camera on Aperture priority, locked at f/5, ISO 3200, and then shutter speed according to the available light. Each light was pointed at the ceiling at an even distance from the canvas as the camera. The canvas is a 16x20 from when my son was 6 mo. old, he’s about to turn six later this month.
The camera says they fall in the above order, with the K3 being brighter than the S2200. And I didn’t even bring the batteries up to fresh charge! The heavily modded HD2010 and M3 fall in the same range as the XM-L2 is driven at 4.18A while the XM-L is driven at 4.28A, they’re both de-domed and have Erik 5 mode drivers. The HD2010 is sporting a nice chunk of copper to help it keep it’s cool.
