I would like to have your suggestions on battery for the following project.
I’m planning to run a micro-controller and a sensor on battery for a long period of time (more than a year). I’ve set microcontroller to go into sleep mode and wake up for 6 seconds every 15 minutes to power on the sensor and read a value and go back again to sleep mode till the next round. All the project is fed through one power source (a battery pack that I’m using, more explanation below).
In Sleep mode, total current draw is at 1.15mA (measured for whole the electronics including sensors and …), and while it wakes up it is at 12mA.
I’m using a voltage regulator to feed the project with 5V, voltage regulators usually are in need of at around 1V higher than output. (to summarize this sentence, I mean that minimum voltage for my electronics should be more than 6 V)
I’m thinking to use 26650 KEEPPOWER 5200mAH (protected) in 2S3P configuration, which is 6 batteries with nominal voltage of 7.4V and capacity of 15300mAH (minimum margin, considering battery might be 5100mAH).
I calculated that, with this configuration, I can get at least 14 months (considering 20% discharge safety).
Now I would like to know your suggestions, would you recommend me this battery? or do you have any other recommendation?
Is 26650 KEEPPOWER 5200mAH (protected) performing well? Is the capacity really 5200mAH? Are there better types of 26650-large capacity batteries? , without considering budget limit?
Thanks mrheosuper for reply. I couldn’t find 18650 batteries in large capacities, around 5AH.
By saying “higher energy density”, do you mean compard to battery size and volume? If so, I have no problem in fitting 6x 26650 batteries in the housing of my project.
I think you mean a 3P2S configuration. I would go for 18650 cell’s. Which gives 3*3500mAh = 10500 mAh.
If that is not enough (considering the voltage drop while depleting) think about a 4P2S configuration.
That is a lot of cell’s. Ever thought about a solar panel?
Yes 3P2S, thanks, it was a typo, I edited it. 10500mAH would give me around 10 months. Economic-wise, 18650 batteries are usually the same price as 26650 and sometimes even higher (looking on Amazon) and have lower capacity. I can go for 4P2S, but the cost for batteries would increase compared to 3P2S of 26650; and still battery capacity would not be as high as 26650. I’m quite interested to know why 18650 batteries are suggested over 26650? Is it related to their depletion curve (voltage drop)? Does it mean that 26650 cannot withstand such long time?
Yes, thanks for mentioning. I have thought about solar panel already, and I’m going to use it as well. But, for some places that there is no access to sun light, I have to rely on batteries only. For other places, I can use solar panels.
no, it’s all about energy/volume, the 26650 is 2 times bigger( more than 2 times, since v=r^2*pi*h), but the capacity is only about 1.5 times higher than highest capacity of 18650(3500 mah vs 5500 mah)
I would be very careful buying 26650s from Amazon unless they are name brand (I see Imalent there often) and still no guarantee of authenticity. Most cells advertised there have ridiculous claims of mAh and deliver a very poor product.
If you are in the US, I’d recommend buying batteries from Illumn, IMR Batteries, or Liionwholesale. Amazon has issues with counterfeits from 3rd party sellers due to their awful inventory mixing (one shady seller uses counterfeits, and they can get mixed in with other sellers’ items) that affects a bunch of items - lithium ion batteries, SD cards, and basically any item that has a standardized form factor. These sellers are more reliable.
18650 batteries are recommended because they take up ~48% of the volume of a 26650, but the best (3500 mAh) have about 64% of the capacity of the best 26650 (5500 mAh). This means you can fit more capacity in the same amount of space.
The Sanyo NCR18650GA, Samsung INR18650-35E, Sony US18650VC7, and LG INR18650MJ1 are all very similar in capacity (~3500 mAh). A “protected” cell adds an extra circuit that protects the cell against over-discharge and a few other things that wouldn’t be relevant in this application. Those circuits are added by another company, such as KeepPower. Like this is the Sanyo NCR18650GA with a protection circuit added and rebranded by KeepPower.
If you want to search for a protected version of those cells, try searching “protected insert model name” without the brand.
Otherwise, if total size isn’t a huge concern, a lower capacity cell like the Samsung INR18650-30Q (3000 mAh) might provide more mAh per dollar spent. But you would need more total cells to reach the same capacity.
edit: Mountain Electronics and Orbtronic are other good sellers.
double edit: If you need the protection circuit, and max current doesn’t seem to be an issue at all for this application, the Protected Panasonic NCR18650B might be the best bang for the buck. Under $7 each (plus shipping) at Liion Wholesale when you factor in the wholesale discount. Looks like the protected NCR18650GA usually goes for at least $8.50.
Samsung, Sanyo and Panasonic in 18650 would be my only choices, Sony lean more to high out put over high capacity. Not only do you have higher energy density, but much better quality. Your cell are going to be a closer match to each other and have probably a much lower self discharge rate.
Does anyone know the typical parasitic drain caused by the protection circuit of a protected battery? The protection circuit itself is an electronic circuit, and thus is going to place a certain (hopefully incredibly small) drain on the battery, but I haven’t been able to find any measurements of this.
In the flashlight world, we are normally concerned with a drain in the hundred of milliamps to multiple amp range causing a low voltage situation in hours or minutes, thus making this parasitic drain irrelevant. But in this application, where the load is only a few milliamps, a small parasitic drain could be an issue.
I think they are the preferred battery place for people in the EU. Somebody can correct me if I’m wrong.
I don’t know a whole lot about charging via solar cells, but I don’t think I’d put a battery in direct connection with a power source. Even if it’s a protected battery, I still wouldn’t want that little protection circuit to be the only line of defense against a potentially dangerous situation.
3*18650 is way less efficient in terms of capacity/volume than 26650. I did some calculations that included 1.5 mm thick battery tube and Shockli 26650 gets roughly 0.14 mAh/mm^3 while 3*18650 only 0.11 mAh/mm^3.
For comparison 1*18650 gets 0.15 mAh/mm^3, just like 21700.
In this calculation I use the real capacity measured by HKJ on low currents: 5900 mAh (5500 mAh is specced and measured at high current).
And I used the best real capacity of 18650 cells: 3400 mAh.
Shockli is most likely the top dog, though I can’t help but mention that there were no independent tests other than that of HKJ….and the HKJ one was made on Shockli-supplied cell which may have been sherry-picked.
There is suspicion that Liitokala 26650-55A may be the same cell as Shockli, but there’s no confirmation.
There are also 6000 mAh Keeppower UH2660. Frankly, I consider them the safest bet, but I don’t know any source for them….
I ordered Shockli recently and if you want the best I suggest that you do the same. Or wait for my test.
EDIT: This helped me spot errors in my spreadsheet, I corrected the numbers above.