The Tesla has extremely limited range with no possible means to recharge in the country.
My truck can carry plenty of extra fuel and go anywhere.
The tesla can’t carry any payload to speak of. My 1 ton has hauled (truck stop scale verified) over 7,000lbs of green firewood in the bed. Won’t do that again!
I tow a 27 foot travel trailer over the mountains and pass every Prius like they’re standing still.
My truck is almost 20 years old and will run another 10 or 15 years before it needs a $5000 rebuild and run like new again. Your Sparky-Mobile will be on the dispoable scrap heap by then.
I would be open minded if an electric vihicle could come even close to what my truck does but I doubt they ever will. Maybe Hydrogen, maybe something we haven’t even pondered yet but I doubt electric will be the long term future. But it needs to be something that actually meets my needs and not be shoved downy throat.
The only thing keeping electric alive is Uncle Sam taking taxes from the working class and giving it to the wealthy who can afford these over price chocolates coated terds.
So ask yourself.
Who pays for the tax subsidies?
Who pays for the charging stations?
Who pays for all of the “free” electricity at the “free” charging stations?
Who pays the fuel tax to maintain the roads?
Not the Sparky-Car.
I need to correct the payload weight above.
The firewood weighed just over 6,000lbs. My truck is what weighs a few hundred over 7,000lbs.
My memory really sucks at times.
Ah, superchargers are not required. It would charge off of a hotel outlet.
What an excellent use of your towing capacity.
Of course not. Nobody said anything about replacing 1 ton pickups with electric cars. Get real.
You seem to be the only one with confidence in that. The world is waiting on your data. Please publish.
Again, forget replacing pickup. Nobody said that. Just be open minded to your neighbor buying an electric car. Nobody is even talking about forcing you to go electric.
Pretty sure the US government directly pays billions to keep your oil price low.
Who calls ~200 miles “extremely limited range?” It’s a commuter car, not a replacement for buses, trains, and airplanes. Very few people drive 100+ miles in their daily commute.
Josh, this blue energy is very scalable theoretically the system can extend far into the sea.
However this Dutch dyk is there and with 32km there is plenty of space for decent experiments.
It is all depending on location, take The Netherlands with 3 larger European rivers entering the sea and smaller filling the IJsselmeer (the lake that used to be a sea) is ideal for blue energy.
Mountain make good hydro- and deserts good solar power (via the big plants heating a smaller area very much so even without sun energy can be produced.)
There is a world to win here sure!
And when electric cars put higher demands on grids this probably will speed up the greening/blueing of it, so win!
Many people don’t like change to the status quo (its a personal insult) and they typically enjoy looking down their nose at others using any excuse they can come up with.
But Josh, though you are right. Space is an issue. It is not doable to install the charging poles in high density areas as Amsterdam/Paris forcing companies to get them so commuters can charge during working hours.
Surprisingly that is a big driver of social progress, though i wish this were not necessary, you can teach an old dog new tricks, but if someone does not want to learn then no force in the universe will compel them to do so
Ah, that car is parked somewhere while they work. Here in SD we have parking lots with outlets so you can plug your pickup in (in the cold winter) so it starts in the morning. The same on-site charge can be done for a car wherever it is parked all day.
Edit: Picture a parking meter having a baby with an electrical outlet. Problem solved.
I’m on a cell phone so it’s hard for me to redo all the quotes. But on the oil subsidy billions, we agree. I wish the government would completely end all subsidies. No picking winners and losers. Let a company stand on its own two feet, or fail. One flat tax top to bottom regardless of income. That way every citizen has an equally vested interest in line with their means. But of course this is a whole different topic.
You’re both right that the electric will likely not replace a pick-up but it would have been nice if Bort gave me the option of NO or does not suit my needs but it’s his poll and he’s free to write up the choices to his liking.
Let’s just settle on a Gentlemens bet that my truck will outlast the average electric vehicle.
The best vacations on earth are when you have to throw a few extra Jerry cans in the bed. But that’s just me. Other folks like hotels.
Social progress means caring about the welfare of all humanity, and rejecting racism, sexism, lies, abuse, torture, murder etc.
I think this is a great thing to strive for.
Which guy doesn’t like to go fast? Who doesn’t grin stupidly when you put down your right foot and the scenery suddenly is moving before your eyes at a rate of speed impossible to parse?
2.8 seconds to 60 mph is incredible. Although I was leery about Teslas when I first started hearing about them, I think they are cool. I am also a petrol head and love the sound of power. But…speed- no matter by how it is come, is irrefutable.
To no one in particular:
Maybe Tesla’s motives for what they are doing are different from what you think they are, and you may be judging their actions on an unfounded basis.
I honestly get tired of hearing the range argument. I know, I know, it can only go a bit over 200 miles on a charge. I know. The people that buy them know that too. It actually isn’t a surprise to them! Like some others said already, not very many folks drive the range of this car on a regular basis, and it is surprising how many supercharger stations Tesla already has. I think Teslas are cool, and I drive a 300 hp car that makes noise. Also has a turbo and is fun.
Just think if all the smart people who are twiddling their thumbs and sitting in a chair and pointing fingers at everyone else would team up and collaborate, what kind of an awesome new technological car could we have, be it electric or otherwise? If we could allay all bureaucratic time wasting and legal stuff, just imagine where we could be.
Tesla is doing the impossible, give them credit for it, even it isn’t for you.
“Let’s just settle on a Gentlemens bet that my truck will outlast the average electric vehicle”
There is no reason on Earth why your truck should outlast ANY electric vehicle. When I was young, my father owned a sawmill with a head rig (main saw) powered by an electric motor built in 1899. To the best of my knowledge, it runs to this day. Electric vehicles have almost infinitely fewer moving parts and therefore, the potential to outlast any internal combustion engine-driven vehicle.
By the way, if you’re passing every Prius on the way, you’re speeding. I drive (and like a lot) a Prius and there is nowhere it cannot maintain the speed limit, even with a full load.
As to the Tesla, if I could afford one, I’d be on the reservation list. Where I live 100% of electric power is hydro and costs roughly 3 cents per KWH.
Oops! Misspoke, having forgotten that my utility generates a little wind power, due to our government declaring that ALL utilities must generate a certain amount of power from renewable sources, which I thought made good sense until the same government declared hydro power non-renewable forcing my electric company to spend a fortune on unreliable and expensive wind power. :person_facepalming:
