What blade did you EDC today?

[teacher]

@DBSS

One thing to mention….the copyright on the axis lock is up. So as far as I can tell, it is now free to use by anyone.

That is correct DBSS. :+1: … IIRC It expired in 2007.

Also, I ’think’ I remember the Spyderco ‘Hole’ is part of their Trade Mark… so it never expires. “Think” is the key word in that statement however…

I do know that many years ago Benchmade made a few folders that used the Hole and they paid Spyderco royalties for the privilege. :+1:

[toddcshoe]

@isti242

Wow, after reading all of these moralising whinning & preaching it feels like being on Bladeforums and that’s not a compliment!
What will the next step be? Not being allowed to say any negatives about the products of the paying sponsors of the forum?

Anyway back to the topic, I’m EDCing this Ganzo G729 on this pleasent Sunday afternoon just because it makes me glad!

Thank you for that one. I totally forgot I wanted one of those. Off to Ebay.

[isti242]

@teacher

@ Macka17

You need to get the Genuine. Original. VERSION of THIS GoComma!!

The fit n’ finish of this knife is comparable to ANY knife I own, and I own more than a few!

I also ordered one of those GoComma flippers based on your feedback. I hope it will arrive soon.

@teacher

@DBSS

One thing to mention….the copyright on the axis lock is up. So as far as I can tell, it is now free to use by anyone.

That is correct DBSS. :+1: … IIRC It expired in 2007.

Also, I ’think’ I remember the Spyderco ‘Hole’ is part of their Trade Mark… so it never expires. “Think” is the key word in that statement however…

I do know that many years ago Benchmade made a few folders that used the Hole and they paid Spyderco royalties for the privilege. :+1:

I remember the big drama when Benchmade released the original version of the Skirmish. That was a very serious dispute over the number of holes, their sizes and the order of them. :person_facepalming:
I really liked the look of the 1st version. It’s interesting how the added 4th hole changed the overall look of that knife.

I’m grateful that none of the automobile makers patented the wheel. I would hate to drive a car with oval or rectangular wheels…

[isti242]

@toddcshoe

@isti242

Wow, after reading all of these moralising whinning & preaching it feels like being on Bladeforums and that’s not a compliment!
What will the next step be? Not being allowed to say any negatives about the products of the paying sponsors of the forum?

Anyway back to the topic, I’m EDCing this Ganzo G729 on this pleasent Sunday afternoon just because it makes me glad!

Thank you for that one. I totally forgot I wanted one of those. Off to Ebay.

You must be quick because they’re getting rare. My camo version can be considered as a “limited edition”, “special edition” or “limited run” now using the vocabulary of the prestigious manufacturers for charging extra 50 bucks.

[isti242]

@Macka17

Isti.

Nice knife.
I’ve got a G 733 in mail (this week. Maybe)
(I prefer the 733 blade shape ??.)

So. I have.
a Genuine. Original. VERSION.of a Ganzo Firebird folding knife.
to sit alongside my Genuine version of a Y-Start JYN02
D2 blade.

How lucky am I.
ALL these genuine versions of themselves.
Regardless of cost.

If a knife Feels well. cuts well, is of decent materials.
and it ain’t bothering the owners and buyers of any others.
Where’s the problem.

OK what’s next?. Please NOT clone torches.

Thank you! This Firebird version also comes with skeletonized steel liners so it weights even less than the 1st version.

Be careful mentioning the Ganzo G733 here! One of the fanboys might attack you in a rant just for owning a Stretch like design with an axis-lock! :person_facepalming:

[Eraursls1984]

@teacher

Might as well throw my 2 cents in concerning copies, clones, fakes, & such.

’My standards’ for purchasing Chinese Knives: . (ymmv)

• 1. If a Chinese company falsely uses the name or trademark of another company on their knife, box, &/or paperwork it is a complete fake & thievery.
  Not a “clone” or “copy”… just a fake.
  Personally I would never knowingly buy one of these.

• 2. A 100% exact copy of a known design, but not using the Original Companies name.
  I personally am not going to knowingly buy one of these either.
  But, that being said…. I am fairly familiar with all things Benchmade so recognizing a BM copy is not gonna be a huge problem. However, I am not that familiar with most other folders by different companies. And I am not going to do massive research to try & determine if something I like may be a copy.

• 3. Knives ‘inspired’ by other designs but not copies.
  I have no problem buying any of these. If you get right down to it most knives are inspired in some way by other knives.

• 4. Original designs.
  I feel the same as rcwiily , I have no problem buying them at all.

@rcwiily

I have no problem with original designs produced in China in fact many of the knives currently are excellent quality AND more expensive than a lot of knives made around the world.

This is exactly the way I fell about it, not just with the Chinese knives.

@isti242

Be careful mentioning the Ganzo G733 here! One of the f̶a̶n̶b̶o̶y̶s̶ people against theft might attack you in a rant just for owning a Stretch like design with an axis-lock! :person_facepalming:

Fixed that for you.

[Macka17]

Isti.

“”Be careful mentioning the Ganzo G733 here! Wink.
One of the fanboys might attack you in a rant
just for owning a Stretch like design with an axis-lock!“”

===

The reason I bought that one was I wanted to try the different blade “shape”.
I’m still not sure?.
Plus I’d have that axis- lock on all my knives given a choice.

NO folder can be 100% trusted in real hard work.
THAT is done if you have any sense, by a solid fixed blade.
I prefer my Martiini, then an axe or Machete for next size up.
Have you ever seen ankles and wrists/back of hands
when folders have “folded” or slipped off job.
I carry my folder. Martiini. Axe, and chain saw in back of ute.
in that order.
I’m not one who wants to say, “I did this…. with my folder”
I’d rather say my chain saw did a lovely neat job on that wood hey.

They all have their place. don’t push it. Only “you” will suffer.
(Not you personally, you in general).
Have fun.

[Macka17]

Teacher.

Unfortunately I have 4 x 3ish inch blades now. 1 x VG110. 2 x D2
and a Chinese 440C.
With smaller and longer around them.

I’m trying to find that Go Comma 2 +mm blade in Orange with better steel than the 3
grade. It’s too soft.
They are a nice looking toy though.
I got a little SRM 6029 LUC with orange plates and 8cr/440c? steel.
Take off clip it a nice key knife (5.5mm blade. 13mm open. Liner lock.)

It’ll take a lot of doing to find a better key blade than my old SOG Micro2
though, but I’m trying.
Waiting for a 6040 in mail to check that out.

You want a coupla. I’m getting inundated with those “I’ll never buy any of those stupid little things”. Yea.
Gotta unload b4 missus sees them.

[teacher]

@isti242

@teacher

@ Macka17

You need to get the Genuine. Original. VERSION of THIS GoComma!!

The fit n’ finish of this knife is comparable to ANY knife I own, and I own more than a few!

I also ordered one of those GoComma flippers based on your feedback. I hope it will arrive soon.

Like I have said already… if they are the same quality as the first one I got I do not think you will be disappointed.
And I am counting heavily on them being the same quality…. I ordered 17 more. They are all in shipment now…… so fingers crossed.

@isti242

@teacher

@DBSS

One thing to mention….the copyright on the axis lock is up. So as far as I can tell, it is now free to use by anyone.

That is correct DBSS. :+1: … IIRC It expired in 2007.

Also, I ’think’ I remember the Spyderco ‘Hole’ is part of their Trade Mark… so it never expires. “Think” is the key word in that statement however…

I do know that many years ago Benchmade made a few folders that used the Hole and they paid Spyderco royalties for the privilege. :+1:

I remember the big drama when Benchmade released the original version of the Skirmish. That was a very serious dispute over the number of holes, their sizes and the order of them. :person_facepalming:
I really liked the look of the 1st version. It’s interesting how the added 4th hole changed the overall look of that knife.

I’m grateful that none of the automobile makers patented the wheel. I would hate to drive a car with oval or rectangular wheels…

Your right… that ‘extra hole’ in the Skirmish made it look totally different.

Best I recall the original Grip & Mini Grip had the Spyderco Hole in the blade for opening. BM paid Spyderco royalties for using that ‘Hole’.
Then BM went to the Oval hole on the Grips…. I actually liked that better. I also liked/like the Mini Grip much better than the Grip. In fact I did not like the Grip at all. It was too big & just felt awkward to me. The Mini Grip on the other hand was just perfect in every way… to me.

There were a couple other BM models that used the Spyderco Hole too & BM paid royalties. I can’t remember atm which models they were though.

I agree completely about the automobile makers too….

[isti242]

@Macka17

Isti.

“”Be careful mentioning the Ganzo G733 here! Wink.
One of the fanboys might attack you in a rant
just for owning a Stretch like design with an axis-lock!“”

===

The reason I bought that one was I wanted to try the different blade “shape”.
I’m still not sure?.
Plus I’d have that axis- lock on all my knives given a choice.

NO folder can be 100% trusted in real hard work.
THAT is done if you have any sense, by a solid fixed blade.
I prefer my Martiini, then an axe or Machete for next size up.
Have you ever seen ankles and wrists/back of hands
when folders have “folded” or slipped off job.
I carry my folder. Martiini. Axe, and chain saw in back of ute.
in that order.
I’m not one who wants to say, “I did this…. with my folder”
I’d rather say my chain saw did a lovely neat job on that wood hey.

They all have their place. don’t push it. Only “you” will suffer.
(Not you personally, you in general).
Have fun.

I’m not pushing my luck hard using my folders either. Sometimes using a small hand saw makes more sense than chopping with a knife.

Anyway, I had some chainsaw work in the backyard this morning so I gave my Stihl some exercise.
I don’t own the Ganzo G733 but I have the G734 (the liner-lock version). So here it is with the Stihl in the background:

[xevious (Gary)]

@teacher

And if you want a good light duty ‘gentlemens knife’, THIS NO-NAME seems to be a “Genuine. Original. VERSION” also.

.
Fit n’ finish is excellent. Blade is San Mai damascus. A very neat little pocket knife. Highly recommended too… by me.

It baffles me that this could be genuine Damascus steel, given the price. It begs the question of it being some final stage cosmetic treatment to the steel simulating the Damascus aesthetic or if they really managed to come up with a cheap process to make authentic Damascus style steel.

[teacher]

@xevious

@teacher

And if you want a good light duty ‘gentlemens knife’, THIS NO-NAME seems to be a “Genuine. Original. VERSION” also.

.
Fit n’ finish is excellent. Blade is San Mai damascus. A very neat little pocket knife. Highly recommended too… by me.

It baffles me that this could be genuine Damascus steel, given the price. It begs the question of it being some final stage cosmetic treatment to the steel simulating the Damascus aesthetic or if they really managed to come up with a cheap process to make authentic Damascus style steel.

Nope… it IS NOT a “cosmetic treatment”, I can verify that 100%. It is San Mai damascus.

I’ll be back in a minute with a link to explain more….

[teacher]

@ xevious … Here ya’ go:
.

Red Sandalwool Damascus Side Lock Knife $8.99 - is it any good?

@ GOOSE …… My first knives finally arrived…. Well made little knife too. Well worth the money!! The blade is a type of San Mai . There is a center core steel that runs from spine to edge and a layer of damascus is laminated to each side. The pattern of the Damascus layers emerges when the blade is ground. It is then etched to highlight the pattern. Since we have no idea what the core steel is or what steels compose the Damascus layers…. who knows what the preformance will be. BUT…. it l…

@teacher

@ GOOSE …… My first knives finally arrived…. :+1:

Well made little knife too. Well worth the money!!

The blade is a type of San Mai . There is a center core steel that runs from spine to edge and a layer of damascus is laminated to each side. The pattern of the Damascus layers emerges when the blade is ground. It is then etched to highlight the pattern.

Since we have no idea what the core steel is or what steels compose the Damascus layers…. who knows what the preformance will be. BUT…. it looks fantastic & will undoubtly function great as a small gentleman’s knife. And who knows…. we may find out the ‘mystery steels’ are actually decent ones.

Looking at the spine of the blade the core steel can easily be seen. It’s dark appearance leads me to believe it is a High Carbon steel.

Anyway…. thanks again for bringing attention to these. The fit n’ finish is just fine…. centered blade, even grind, wood slabs fit perfectly, good solid lock up with no blade play, & they came hair popping sharp too!!

They were/are more than worth the money!! :+1:

[teacher]

@toddcshoe

Two of my favorite knives. Affordable and well made as far as I can tell. Though I admit to carry my medium sized Honeybadger most of the time.

Nice looking knives.

• What is the one on the left??

• Is the one on the right a GANZO FIREBIRD FH11 ??

[Macka17]

Actually “True Damascus steel” is a blended mix of Different materials.
Secrets of, long lost in the mists of time. NOT Laminations.

Modern “so-called Damascus is multiple versions of ”laminated) steel alloys.

Read up on it. It’s interesting. I started on my Japanese Cooks knives yrs ago.
Too brittle a core steel (mainly Carbon based) alloy. Gives you Super sharp and “chipping brittle” blades.

The skills are in getting the right grade of core steel with soft, but NOT too soft outer layers.
I use a 3in VG10 core Iseya Hammered Paring kitchen knife as my small field knife in pack at camp, along with a Tojiro 6in Petty, and 7in Santoku All VG10.
SUPER sharp. not brittle with right mfg (heat treatment. they vary)
They’d be the cheapest, proven, GOOD Grade Japanese blades on market
I also have some $500/600 plus too.These are $45 to 75AUD del.
They leave ALL other types of kitchen blades for dead.
Try one.
I have 45+ yrs of Wusthof German blades. They now sit in drawer.

Sorry, back on track. Folders.
I’ve just ordered a coupla those Burlwood laminates for pressie’s.
I wouldn’t use smooth straight handles knives myself.

I prefer a coupla moulds or finger grips in mine.
Over the yrs a coupla have bitten me with wet.oily, bloody, smooth handles.

[Couchmaster]

@Macka17

I use a 3in VG10 core Iseya Hammered Paring kitchen knife as my small field knife in pack at camp, along with a Tojiro 6in Petty, and 7in Santoku All VG10.
SUPER sharp. not brittle with right mfg (heat treatment. they vary)
They’d be the cheapest, proven, GOOD Grade Japanese blades on market
I also have some $500/600 plus too.These are $45 to 75AUD del.
They leave ALL other types of kitchen blades for dead.
Try one.
I have 45+ yrs of Wusthof German blades. They now sit in drawer.

Thank you for sharing that. My best knives are Japanese, but not Damascus. (one Shun…meh) So if I buy a Santoko, here is good?: https://www.hocho-knife.com/iseya-g-series-33-layer-vg-10-damascus-santoku-knife-180mm/

[Macka17]

Hi.
Personal choices on those things. My love is your hate sort of thing.
“eyes of the beholder”. More so than Western ones.
I have some lovely mid range blades. Top line start at a coupla grand each.with multiple grades/types of steels and smiths.

Personally. Starting out. I’d try the Tojiro DP. models first.
Basic 6in Petty is a good one to practice on AND use after.
Sharpening is “completely” different.
The Iseya are next step up in steels.
I have Wet (different to whet)stones. but nowadays use fine Diamond plates and finish off with mix of polished diamond flat faced steel,s
and ceramic.

A properly edged blade.
Your arm hairs actually LEAN TOWARDS blade just b4 contact. Static I reckon.
They really DO get scary sharp.
Do NOT put tip of your fingers to edge to check. It WILL PRESS through your skin and flesh, just holding against it.

Tip.
most cutting will improve if you buy the “hammered ”blade finishes.
They cause little air pockets between whatever, and your blade side.
They tend NOT to stick to each other so much. Specially cheeses.
Have fun.
And like our knives and torches. You do NOT need the top priced, named ones.
To get a good blade.
Go on “Hocho Knives” and read reviews on different smiths and blades.
It’ll take you a while. It’s fascinating.

Again. Have fun mate.

PS. You like Iseya/shape.Go the “I” Hammered series.
and check blade depth . tip profile too. They vary.
I love the Toj DP tip profile the best.
They a chopping more than rocking blade.
In Petty too.

[Macka17]

You will also find (most do) That once you use a “Santoku 7in”
in home.
You’ll tend to stick with it over all others.
Just one western Wusthof for chopping heavy.
Wife uses it all the time now. (Tojiro) I use a better Carbon Steel one.

Also have 4 or 5 European 6 to 8in Chef’s blades in drawer.
Never again to see the light of day. Incl a brand New Wusthof 8in chef.
Reprofiled. Should sell it, cost over $300AUD.

[toddcshoe]

@teacher

Nice looking knives. What is the one on the left??

The one on the left is a Bestech Pebble and you are correct on the other one. I only need a black G10 FH11 without the reversible pocket clip holes to round out the run of FH11’s. Great affordable little flippers.

[teacher]

@toddcshoe

@teacher

Nice looking knives. What is the one on the left??

The one on the left is a Bestech Pebble and you are correct on the other one. I only need a black G10 FH11 without the reversible pocket clip holes to round out the run of FH11’s. Great affordable little flippers.

Thank you sir for the info! :+1: I like the looks of both of those. But the FH11 is calling out to me. :money_mouth_face: