Nichia E17A/E21A Skilhunt H04RC Group Buy

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djozz wrote:
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But TA calibrates with reference lights which should cancel this error.

No it does not, spectral errors are not solved by calibration, please read my luxmeter threads for an explanation.

True! I use 4 different calibrated lights from Maukka: 6600K R7O, 5000K R9050, 6500K R9585, and 2700 R9580. They all have different calibration values. I use value closer to the light tested

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djozz wrote:
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But TA calibrates with reference lights which should cancel this error.

No it does not, spectral errors are not solved by calibration, please read my luxmeter threads for an explanation.

I understand the spectral errors but misunderstood your previous post.

UT383 is the only cheap meter that you tested which doesn’t significantly overread the blue peak of cool low-CRI lights.
It loses at the far red. And the sensitivity peak is shifted. I don’t claim it’s great but to me it looks significantly better than anything up to several times its price.

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@Clemence: that is a practical workaround to compensate for spectral errors, while your Tasi meter already is relatively good.

How about getting back on topic: the Nichia E17A/E21A Skilhunt H04RC Group Buy ?

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Hi Clemence do we need to pay first before we received a confirmation of order.....

Thank you

 

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Hi Clemence do we need to pay first before we received a confirmation of order…..


Thank you


 


Just put your comment on the Gsheet and proceed with payment.

Thanks,
Clemence

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As an owner of so many Virence modded Tiara Pros with the same emitter, even the 200+ lumen mode is VERY bright. It’s much brighter than I imagine at that lumen level and I’m a fan of lumen monsters. You can see everything very clearly. Probably the ultra HI cri helps. Most of the time I use the sub 10 lumen modes as that is already real bright at night when my eyes are adjusted and even at that lumen level you can make out all the details and colors. For anyone who is hesitating to buy this because of the low lumen rating, trust me you will not be disappointed and you will be using it everyday, likely on the very low levels.

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Very professional and informative measurements SKV89 Thumbs Up

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Tiara C1 Pro 1×2000K + 3×3000K Max Mode 428 lumens 2577K -0.0076 DUV

Nice warm and rosy. Do you know whether a 2×2000K + 2×3000K mix will be even more rosy?

And do you have measured a 2×2000K + 2×4000K mix?

virence.com rosy 3500K R9080 Wizard Pro, MF01 Mini 4000K to be modded with FA3 SST20, super rosy 3000K E21A Tiara and super warm 2000K Wizard Pro on it's way

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I’m interested in this group buy, just checking that the buy occurs after 200 orders? Only asking because there are currently 100 rows in the google doc.

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I’m interested in this group buy, just checking that the buy occurs after 200 orders? Only asking because there are currently 100 rows in the google doc.

If we can hit 200pcs then we can request Skilhunt to make us custom mode/output (no timed step down). Otherwise, we will order any quantity but, with normal mode/output like OEM.

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No timed step down and ramping the modes up on hold from off instead of that annoying AF electronic lockout would be nice…

virence.com rosy 3500K R9080 Wizard Pro, MF01 Mini 4000K to be modded with FA3 SST20, super rosy 3000K E21A Tiara and super warm 2000K Wizard Pro on it's way

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SKV89 wrote:
As an owner of so many Virence modded Tiara Pros with the same emitter, even the 200+ lumen mode is VERY bright. It’s much brighter than I imagine at that lumen level and I’m a fan of lumen monsters. You can see everything very clearly. Probably the ultra HI cri helps. Most of the time I use the sub 10 lumen modes as that is already real bright at night when my eyes are adjusted and even at that lumen level you can make out all the details and colors. For anyone who is hesitating to buy this because of the low lumen rating, trust me you will not be disappointed and you will be using it everyday, likely on the very low levels.

Thank you for answering; I ended up playing with my ZL to see how bright 200-ish lumens is and yeah it does seem pretty bright to be honest. I did just buy a “normal” Skilhunt but if this reaches 200+ units for the custom mode/UI I’ll join in.

Thank you for answering my new person questions.

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I can’t see the images in the first post. Is it only me?
I can not see the pictures either.  What do I need to do to see them or can they be reposted?
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it’s a bizarre file format. (edit : .heic, new Apple thing apparently)

rehosted in PNG on imgur : https://imgur.com/a/at3uXWM

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Thanks thefreeman!

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Ryzbor wrote:
No timed step down and ramping the modes up on hold from off instead of that annoying AF electronic lockout would be nice…

This would make it better. The ability to just hold the button from off to get to the desired brightness is my most used feature in Anduril or Narsil. I always end up locking the H04 or my rofis r1 and r2 because of this. Make lockout 4 clicks or something if it’s possible.

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is there any white wall beam shots of the E21A 5000k 9080 and E21A 5700k 9080 please

Virence ArmyTek Viking Pro Quadtrix 9080 E21A 6500k, Virence Skilhunt H04 RC Quadtrix 9080 E21A 5700k, Virence Jetbeam AAA 9080 E21A 5700k, Virence Jetbeam AAA Nichia HCRI Red Led.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5szQO9jM2z/?fbclid=IwAR2iVysO9q_niBevQv35pH...

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There are comparison shots in this thread

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Any chance of sending a review sample(s) to Flashaholics for a review & comparison?

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nuemtol wrote:
Any chance of sending a review sample(s) to Flashaholics for a review & comparison?

Flashaholics only knows how to appreciate 5700K tint. He is not a HI CRI and tint fan and does not have equipment to test light quality. What is special about this headlamp is the ultra hi cri E21A emitters. Maukka already tested each one and his test reports are on Virence.com I also tested the same emitters in my Virence.com modded Tiaras and my results are posted in this thread. The performance of the quad E21A in the H04RC should perform the same since it will use the same beaded optic.

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clemence wrote:
Chinaheart wrote:

Hi Clemence do we need to pay first before we received a confirmation of order.....

Thank you

 

Just put your comment on the Gsheet and proceed with payment. Thanks, Clemence

 

I just make a payment via PP...Thank you Clemence.

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Ryzbor wrote:
super rosy 3000K E21A mix Skilhunt H04 on it’s way

omg please no, you already have a 3500K it’s basically the same !!! take the 2700K instead and thank me later Cool

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Hi Clemence.
My ordered:
1 of the HO4RC (2×3500K + 2×4500K) and 1 of (2×2000K + 2×4000K) LED module.
I just make a payment via PP…
Thank you.

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thefreeman wrote:
it’s a bizarre file format. (edit : .heic, new Apple thing apparently)

rehosted in PNG on imgur : https://imgur.com/a/at3uXWM

Thanks Freeman, the pics hosted in my website. It’s not as good and fast as Flickr.

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omg please no, you already have a 3500K it’s basically the same !!! take the 2700K instead and thank me later Cool

3000K and 3500K still looks totally different side by side. 3500K also brighter

Nguyen wrote:
Hi Clemence.
My ordered:
1 of the HO4RC (2×3500K + 2×4500K) and 1 of (2×2000K + 2×4000K) LED module.
I just make a payment via PP…
Thank you.

Updated and thanks for the order

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SKV89 wrote:
Flashaholics only knows how to appreciate 5700K tint. He is not a HI CRI and tint fan and does not have equipment to test light quality. What is special about this headlamp is the ultra hi cri E21A emitters. Maukka already tested each one and his test reports are on Virence.com I also tested the same emitters in my Virence.com modded Tiaras and my results are posted in this thread. The performance of the quad E21A in the H04RC should perform the same since it will use the same beaded optic.

I think that is an inconsiderate thing to say. I know we’ve seen testing of the e21a here. Flashaholics does an excellent job comparing lights to one another and providing a real-world estimate for me from the comfort of my desk. It, along with D_T_A_ and the TLF Bluzie extravaganza, are some of the most valuable beam shots I know of when I am trying to buy a light ‘blind’. I know there has been some talk about tint weirdness. I think it would be pretty valuable to see the quad e21a in action on video, & in a setting that can easily be compared with dozens of other well-known common flashlights/emitters. I think I’d even put some money up for it, either donating a small amount, or buying the lights for myself and shipping them to him first if he was interested (but I do not know of s/h cost from Indonesia to the UK to the USA). A video is a very easy link to point to when the question gets asked, “what is e21a and why do I want one”, and maybe helps promote it to noobs. It is also helpful when we have graciously been offered so many tint customizations. Aside from the e21a caving pictures, I do not believe I’m familiar with many other reviews/comparisons (not including testing, bench style setups, wall beam shots, single pictures, etc.). I would like a quad e21a very much, but would like to know which I would prefer, to maximize my happiness(:

Also, thank you Clemence for another group buy & all the work you put into the CRI hunt and providing a source for people

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clemence wrote:
3000K and 3500K still looks totally different side by side. 3500K also brighter

Well yes, but what I wanted to say is, he already have one with 3500K and if he like warm tint 3000k is not a big step, could try 2700k instead Oops

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2700K E21A has a low R9 value
I already ordered a 2000K module from Clemence so no need for 2700K.
The 3000K E21A is already a bit rosy by itself by my eyes adapt to it making it neutral so I want something even more rosy.

virence.com rosy 3500K R9080 Wizard Pro, MF01 Mini 4000K to be modded with FA3 SST20, super rosy 3000K E21A Tiara and super warm 2000K Wizard Pro on it's way

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Are you sure about that? The measurements for E21A on Clemence’s website show the 2700K R9 at 98 and the 2000K R9 at 89.

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Ryzbor wrote:
Very professional and informative measurements SKV89 Thumbs Up
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Tiara C1 Pro 1x2000K + 3x3000K Max Mode 428 lumens 2577K -0.0076 DUV
Nice warm and rosy. Do you know whether a 2x2000K + 2x3000K mix will be even more rosy? And do you have measured a 2x2000K + 2x4000K mix?

 There is already a 2x2000K+2x3000K in my original post you quoted from.

 

I just tested the 2x2000K + 2x4000K for you. However, the 4000K is the more recent D240 batch, which has a DUV that is on the BBL instead of below the BBL like the older batch. Also this is installed in reflector lights that normally result in more greenish tint compared to TIR optic or beaded optic. If the same emitter was used in the HO4RC or Tiara with beaded optic, the DUV should be a bit more negative than these results.

Sofirn SP33 v2.0 E21A 2x2000K 2x4000K D240 DCFix Turbo 1,216 lumens 2896K -0.0088 DUV 94.9 CRI Blue light relative amplitude 0.48 94.5 R9 88.1 R12 93 Rf 106 Rg Keeppower Protected 26650
Sofirn SP33 v2.0 E21A 2x2000K 2x4000K D240 DCFix H 512 lumens 2924K -0.0058 DUV 94.5 CRI Blue light relative amplitude 0.45 86.7 R9 89.4 R12 94 Rf 106 Rg Keeppower Protected 26650
Sofirn SP33 v2.0 E21A 2x2000K 2x4000K D240 DCFix M 215 lumens 2931K -0.0046 DUV 94.1 CRI Blue light relative amplitude 0.44 83.0 R9 88.1 R12 94 Rf 105 Rg Keeppower Protected 26650
Sofirn SP33 v2.0 E21A 2x2000K 2x4000K D240 DCFix L 80 lumens 2912K -0.0040 DUV 93.9 CRI Blue light relative amplitude 0.43 81.7 R9 87.0 R12 94 Rf 104 Rg Keeppower Protected 26650
Sofirn SP33 v2.0 E21A 2x2000K 2x4000K D240 DCFix Moonlight 3 lumens 2925K -0.0035 DUV 93.7 CRI Blue light relative amplitude 0.43 80.6 R9 86.0 R12 94 Rf 103 Rg Keeppower Protected 26650
Nightwatch IRA E21A 2x2000K 2x4000K D240 DCFix Turbo 1,238 lumens 2884K -0.0090 DUV 95.2 CRI Blue light relative amplitude 0.47 97.5 R9 89.0 R12 93 Rf 106 Rg Golisi 4300mah 26650
Nightwatch IRA E21A 2x2000K 2x4000K D240 DCFix H 819 lumens 2886K -0.0068 DUV 94.9 CRI Blue light relative amplitude 0.44 91.9 R9 90.1 R12 94 Rf 106 Rg Golisi 4300mah 26650
Nightwatch IRA E21A 2x2000K 2x4000K D240 DCFix M 490 lumens 2886K -0.0052 DUV 94.6 CRI Blue light relative amplitude 0.42 88.3 R9 90.4 R12 94 Rf 105 Rg Golisi 4300mah 26650
Nightwatch IRA E21A 2x2000K 2x4000K D240 DCFix L 225 lumens 2873K -0.0042 DUV 94.1 CRI Blue light relative amplitude 0.41 84.3 R9 88.3 R12 94 Rf 105 Rg Golisi 4300mah 26650
Nightwatch IRA E21A 2x2000K 2x4000K D240 DCFix Moonlight 9 lumens 2854K -0.0037 DUV 93.6 CRI Blue light relative amplitude 0.41 81.3 R9 85.9 R12 94 Rf 104 Rg Golisi 4300mah 26654
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How difficult would it be to get a Lexel Skillhunt Andruil driver in these?

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How difficult would it be to get a Lexel Skillhunt Andruil driver in these?

The beauty of these headlamps from large manufacturers is the superior buck driver that is much more efficient and much better at regulating output than the typical FET drivers with Anduril we see in the Emisars, Lumintops, Astrolux, Fireflies lights. Unless Lexel has a buck driver with Anduril.

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