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Thrower suggestions needed for long range light using 18650 budget priced.

Edit update 2-28-2012

I now own 4 different 18650 lights.  

1.  My favorite light is the one I bought that is under $10.  I am not saying it is the best...  it is just my favorite due to cost and torch with great brightness.   Shocks everyone when I tell them I bought for $7 on an ebay bid with free shipping.   Am having trouble find more for under $10. 

5w 5 Watt CREE LED 300 Lm Torch Lamp K5 Flashlight

- I have bought 3 of these and sold at cost 2 to a friend.  value vs dollar is great! Looking to buy more. 

- I can use my recycled laptop batteries in this without any earth magnets and the batteries last for ever. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5w-5-Watt-CREE-LED-300-Lm-Torch-Lamp-K5-Flashlight-/160748553662?pt=US_Flashlights&hash=item256d5c45be&autorefresh=true#ht_4194wt_812

reviews at amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004L7D8SY/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B004T7VRUM&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=19CXZPAGF18EBXTP8WHQ

 edit update 5/6/2012   on light above. 

I have 4 of these and for price are great.  sold 2 and kept 2. 

On one of these the battery top is being pushed in by the heavy springs.  flickers on and off sometimes.  but still works and for the light vs price is great.

2nd one I have the metal threads stripped on the body.  repaired with plumbers tape and rear stays on.   I did not crossthread because rear still fits on other flashlights. 

friend I sold other 2 at cost and gave him batteries has same problem with top being pushed in but he doesnt care either.  for the light vs price gotta love it.

2.  Olight m20 is my workhorse dependable gun light. 

3.  UniqueFire HS-801 CREE R2 18650 LED Flashlight Torch

This is my long distance light and it works great.  Long distance value vs dollar.  super tight beam for the money.  

4.  Super Tactics CREE LED 400 Lm Flashlight Torch Lamp New

I fixed this light from cycling all the time by putting earth magnets on both top and bottom.   No more problems.  

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I am new to this forum but I spend a significant amount of time on other forums answering questions with detail so I appreciate your time reading and thinking about this!

Am new to lights and hope I am using the correct terminology.  

 

Requirements:

- 'thrower' needed as specialty light to be able to see long range into wooded areas.  200 yards + would be great. 

- have discovered the wonders of free 18650s in laptop batteries.  I have basically an unlimited supply of dead laptop batteries.

- am only buying this because I can make so many batteries but I want light to be cheap and have a 'laser beam' light to shine long distances.  doesnt matter if battery dies, i have spares and take them with me. 

- another user on different forum said he has 3 uniquefire hs 802s and recommended them.  2 work, 1 died but he doesnt care because they are so cheap.  He is using for same  thing I am using for.   

- they have many models but here is one  http://www.dealextreme.com/p/uniquefire-hs-802-cree-r2-wc-2-mode-230-lumen-led-flashlight-1-18650-2-cr123a-16538

- have been researching this forum and i think 801s and 802 are basically same?  I want flashlight to be able to take 'unknown reliability' batteries but I think I am wishing for this.  

- Summary: am only buying because I have a ton of batteries and have a specialty need.  Want to used 'unknown' batteries I recycle. 

 

Currently have:

- Olight m20 warrior (my first flashlight like this) and the guys I run with are shocked by it.  bought about a year ago and it gets used a bunch and hard.   Never a problem.   Was another recommendation from another user on forums I hang on on.  I bought a smooth reflector to help project light but have heard that throwers have super focused 'light sabre beam' long range.  

- this light disperses the light and does not penetrate wooded areas.  (I hope I am using correct terminology).  

- per research, I bought trustfire protected rechargeables and trustfire recharger.   Lasts long time and I run with 2 surefire cr123s as backup to primary light.  

- I will not use the pulled laptop batteries on my olight.  Dont want something bad to happen to it.  

- Again, I use this Olight heavily (it doesnt sit in a bag for long) and am happy. 

 

18650 laptop batteries:

- I pull and lightly dremel the solders off. 

- 1000 grit sandpaper to make sure no solder left

- use www.corrosionx.com on top and bottom to pull out anything left and corrosionx was made for aircraft electrical connections to stop rust and still conduct power. 

- I do not overcharge or leave to charge overnite.   I keep charging 18650s on counter and as soon as light turns green i pull out.  

 

Again, I appreciate your time.  

 

Edit update:  want to keep the same size as the uniquefire 802 or 801 and under $30.   I apologize for not putting that in my requirements.  

Am also buying  to see if all these old laptop batteries will really work and for how long.  Dont want to mess up my olight with them.  

Edited by: 18650Thrower on 05/06/2012 - 07:08
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I found this review on uniquefire 801

  http://budgetlightforum.com/node/1275

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Fandyfire STL-V6

See threads in here

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Yes, I second that, the FandyFire STL-V6 is one of the best budget throwers.

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The one I will recommend is the Trustfire TR-1200 5X Q5 light.  Mine easily throws a beam 300+yds. 

Here's a shot down my street.  About 120yds to those cars on the right.  That street sign past the cars on the right is probably around 200yds or so.  No problem at all for this light. 

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DrJones wrote:

Yes, I second that, the FandyFire STL-V6 is one of the best budget throwers.

Doctor Jones forced me to click the link and then get an STL-V6.....I tried to resist.

I already have an X9 driven at 2.8A.

At least I'm not on CPF....it would have been $900.

There is a Surefire that looks like the X9 and it's not even XM-L, and it costs almost $900 

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I don't see how you can go wrong with the HS-802. If you don't want even that amount of spill then you need an aspheric in a light with a larger head.
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gcbryan wrote:
I don't see how you can go wrong with the HS-802. If you don't want even that amount of spill then you need an aspheric in a light with a larger head.

I am thinking about going with the 801 802.  is within budget and size.  

I didnt know what  aspheric   was so I looked it up and learned something...  

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stevetexas wrote:

DrJones wrote:

Yes, I second that, the FandyFire STL-V6 is one of the best budget throwers.

Doctor Jones forced me to click the link and then get an STL-V6.....I tried to resist.

I already have an X9 driven at 2.8A.

At least I'm not on CPF....it would have been $900.

There is a Surefire that looks like the X9 and it's not even XM-L, and it costs almost $900 

 

Steve, thanks for the info.   I added to my wishlist on deal extreme.  Is over my budget. 

And I have been on candlepowerforums looking up stuff...  if you dont buy a $900 flashlight you arent in the club..  I dont think I phrased this right but you probably understand it.    when i saw budgetlightforum I said this is the place to post.   

I am in Texas, too and will IM you and you will understand that I use my lights.  They dont sit on the shelf. 

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:

The one I will recommend is the Trustfire TR-1200 5X Q5 light.  Mine easily throws a beam 300+yds. 

Here's a shot down my street.  About 120yds to those cars on the right.  That street sign past the cars on the right is proably around 200yds or so.  No problem at all for this light. 

Hmm, seems I've read here that the newer versions of the TR-1200 are poorly driven. Do you think I could get a good one from Manafont? They sell the body and head separately.

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ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:

The one I will recommend is the Trustfire TR-1200 5X Q5 light.  Mine easily throws a beam 300+yds. 

Here's a shot down my street.  About 120yds to those cars on the right.  That street sign past the cars on the right is proably around 200yds or so.  No problem at all for this light. 

 

I appreciate your time and effort.  I did not write my requirements correctly... 

Edit update:  want to keep the same size as the uniquefire 802 or 801 and under $30.   I apologize for not putting that in my requirements.  

I am ok with a larger light and weight but need to keep same size for what I can do with it.  

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DrJones wrote:

Yes, I second that, the FandyFire STL-V6 is one of the best budget throwers.

Thanks for your help.  Added to my dealextreme wishlist.   Is too large for my needs or would buy one like this since I have sooo many batteries to run thru it.  

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Welcome to the hobby!

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You definitely want to stay with single cell lights when using cells that are unprotected and of various brands/capacities/"states of decay".

I recently got a Trustfire USA168 (from Manafont) and the "R2 pill for the HS-801" and I'm getting lux readings that damn near up to the level of my Fandyfire STL-V6 (same as the Skyray STL-V2), albeit a much smaller hotspot. Not bad for $28. Smile

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You should have a look on the Solarforce Skyline 1, laser-like throw, quality above budget

http://www.internationaltradingcompany.net/product_detail.php?t=LF&s=26&...

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mitro wrote:

I recently got a Trustfire USA168 (from Manafont) and the "R2 pill for the HS-801" and I'm getting lux readings that damn near up to the level of my Fandyfire STL-V6 (same as the Skyray STL-V2), albeit a much smaller hotspot. Not bad for $28. Smile

48mm front bezel....and you got pretty near to the STL-V6.  Yes that's about right.  The Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1 (57mm bezel) is slightly above the STL-V6.

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48mm front bezel....and you got pretty near to the STL-V6.  Yes that's about right.  The Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1 (57mm bezel) is slightly above the STL-V6.

I get around 44k from the Fandy and almost 40k from the USA168. Now that's at unreasonable currents for an XR-E (1.8A)and no regulation, so its not exactly an even comparison. Both measurements taken 15 seconds after turn-on.

I'd like a MPP-1 but I already have a bunch of throwers I never use. I'm a flood guy... these things are just toys I use to see how big of numbers I can get. Smile

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mitro wrote:

You definitely want to stay with single cell lights when using cells that are unprotected and of various brands/capacities/"states of decay".

I recently got a Trustfire USA168 (from Manafont) and the "R2 pill for the HS-801" and I'm getting lux readings that damn near up to the level of my Fandyfire STL-V6 (same as the Skyray STL-V2), albeit a much smaller hotspot. Not bad for $28. Smile

Thats what I thought after reading about the 2 or 3 18650s in the longer flashlights.  stay single cell... but that is what i wanted to buy anyway so it works out.  

looked at r2 pill for hs801   what is that? 

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sb56637 wrote:

ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS wrote:

The one I will recommend is the Trustfire TR-1200 5X Q5 light.  Mine easily throws a beam 300+yds. 

Here's a shot down my street.  About 120yds to those cars on the right.  That street sign past the cars on the right is proably around 200yds or so.  No problem at all for this light. 

Hmm, seems I've read here that the newer versions of the TR-1200 are poorly driven. Do you think I could get a good one from Manafont? They sell the body and head separately.

I don't know about the newer ones.  Budgetworks off ebay sells some good ones.  That's where I bought my last one I believe for my son.  He loves it.  But I have bought 3 of them off of ebay from different sellers and all have been about the same.  These lights throw a lot better than people would think.  A matter of fact if they made the reflector surrounding each led deeper it would only throw farther.  That's what they did with the Fenix TK70.  And it will come very close I would say to the Olight SR90.  Now it may not beat it, but for less than half the price, the TK70 is bad to the bone for throw.  I plan on getting one soon.  Maybe even for Christmas if I'm good. 

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sb56637,

I took this one one day last week I believe off the deck from the back of my house.  This is my neighbors shed.  It's about 85yds away.  Even my bright Keygos KE-5 won't light it up this well.  This light really is a great thower.  Probably one of my best right now.  But I have a Olight SR51 coming this week hopefully and a Thru-Nite Catapult V3 as well.  I guess I'll be able to find out how the Trustfire TR-1200 compares to some real throwers. 

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18650Thrower wrote:

looked at r2 pill for hs801   what is that? 

Its the same thing that's inside the USA168 only it is brass (the USA168 pill is aluminum), has better modes, and is supposedly brighter. (mine is)
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Trustfire X9, very good 1x 18650 XM-L thrower can be bought for $37 shipped on ebay.

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Thanks for the help everyone.  I have learned a lot on this forum about battery safety (I was already doing the right stuff) and different options.  Will let you know what happens and how it works and how my 'free' batteries work (which is why I am buying this).  Reviews have been helpful, too.  

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I just made myself get one.  I over research everything and just have stop and do something else.  Paid $8 more than from dealextreme so I can get in one week instead of 4 to 6 (first time I have done this).  Will be using asap.  

UniqueFire HS-801 CREE R2 18650 LED Flashlight Torch

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UniqueFire-HS-801-CREE-R2-18650-LED-Flashlight-Torch-/150679615293?pt=US_Flashlights&hash=item231534773d#ht_5467wt_1026

will buy this from dealextreme.  in no hurry.  need cheap charger for the 'free' batteries.  I always monitor and never charge without me being home or awake.  

18074

UltraFire 2*18650/4*CR123A Battery Protective Case (2-Pack) 

00936DSD 18650 CR123A Charger Black EKARP

 

Again, thanks for the help.   and will check back in after I receive.  

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Surprised no-one suggested this.  Comes with an L2i tube and switch so will take AAA's, 16340's or 18650's.   A real bargain ant $44.   Versatile and the lego-ability of Solarforce.

At the true low cost end nothing out-throws this for $15.  

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The XML-C8 is a surprisingly good thrower...

I wrote a brief overview of one I purchased from Manafont here...

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/4590

This light has throw similar to my properly-driven TR-1200 but is a compact 1x 18650 lamp. It brightly illuminates a barn that is ~700 feet from my house. For the price and amount of light, I have not trouble recommending this to anyone who has a supply of cells available.


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VFMaddict wrote:

Surprised no-one suggested this.  Comes with an L2i tube and switch so will take AAA's, 16340's or 18650's.   A real bargain ant $44.   Versatile and the lego-ability of Solarforce.

At the true low cost end nothing out-throws this for $15.  

 

added this to my dealextreme wishlist.   might want to buy something this cheap just to have after i test my current thrower.   guys I run with might be able to use, too so I can loan out to equip up.  unlimited batteries make it all this go.  always need backups.  

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keltex78 wrote:

The XML-C8 is a surprisingly good thrower...

I wrote a brief overview of one I purchased from Manafont here...

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/4590

This light has throw similar to my properly-driven TR-1200 but is a compact 1x 18650 lamp. It brightly illuminates a barn that is ~700 feet from my house. For the price and amount of light, I have not trouble recommending this to anyone who has a supply of cells available.

 

I will save this.   I like this light.  

Am saving all the recommendations on this thread.  In case I want to get another

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Nautic wrote:

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/lumapower-mrv-xml-t6-3mode-memory-led-flashlight-118650-p-7246 

or cheaper

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/lumapower-mrv-cree-q5-3modes-memory-led-flashlight-118650-p-5504

 

 

Saving all of these and looking... i might need more.  

I appreciate your time.  Also, in the future, others can see all this info and can buy from this. 

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mitro wrote:

You definitely want to stay with single cell lights when using cells that are unprotected and of various brands/capacities/"states of decay".

I recently got a Trustfire USA168 (from Manafont) and the "R2 pill for the HS-801" and I'm getting lux readings that damn near up to the level of my Fandyfire STL-V6 (same as the Skyray STL-V2), albeit a much smaller hotspot. Not bad for $28. Smile

Are you saing that you get the same throw (or damn near up to) with the TF USA168 + R2 pill but with a more "laser beam" style beam, at a lower current and thus longer runtimes?

Sorry for the OT 

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Tested my new uniquefire 801 before range trip and at range. 

FYI:  I bought the 801 for the laser beam long range (and it works) AND so I can use my limitless supply of 18650s I can pull from 'dead' laptop batteries (I dont want to use these in my Olight due to possiblity of messing it up.  I didnt buy this flashlight for pure need (although now I NEED it)...  bought to use with free batteries.

Results below:

At home:

1.  installed my trustfire 3.7 protected rechargeables and they worked in 801.

2. tried my dead laptop batteries and they did not work in the 801 but did work in the Olight m20 warrior. 

3.  dead laptop batteries that I recycled and tested w/ multimeter at 4.2 are a bit shorter than the trustfires.  I believe this is the problem.  

4.  Read online that some carefully pry top connector with 3 vents up a bit and it works.  Also read that small magnets will work, too...  I am ok with buying those.  My terminogoly is wrong but the magnetic connector looks like it could slide off spring and hit the inside of Olight (will not use in Olight).   801 is flat gold and covers entire inside of barrel... but has some hand soldering down there.  Was this coherent?

I just found this about magnets! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/1561   Looks like I will buy these and test the pry up.  I am carefrul with 18650s!

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-strong-rare-earth-re-magnets-8mm-20-pack-4248

 

At range:

10pm, 40 to 45 degrees, dewpoint 40%+

1.  installed my trustfires (freshly charged) and either one after install would stay bright for about 20 seconds at high and then switch to low mode automatically on 801.  trustfires have worked great for me!

2.  happen to both after about 10 minutes outside of car.  was warm in car.  cold outside.  

3.  after about an hour problem did not occur and went away. both on high all the time with no problem.  is this the batteries adjusting to cold? 

 

801 was exactly what everyone said it would do. laser beam hundreds of yards (before fog rolled in).   Cant live without it now. 

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