Shadow SC600 vs UF-T50 -- Winners Announced -- The Lights Are Done!!!!!!!

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The SC600 is a solid bar of aluminium, no threads as a weak point at the head. The T50 is threaded at the head, that’s the key difference. I don’t think the zebra would break in the same way. The electronics and the lense are the weak points for the SC600 though imo so I’m impressed the driver survived the drop-tests so well, just a shame about the lense.

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Nice guys. I'm still laughing, twice, firstly for what I've just read and secondly for (at)Laughing OL and the next instalment.

 

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Halo… wrote:
I don’t see the rock in the picture of the second roll over. Might be a rock half under the UF in the first roll over but he said both came out fine from #1. I do think its likely the UF just had bad luck in the roll overs tho. Also it was all mostly for fun, no?

From the angle it’s leaning over at the end, it does look like the head was depressed in deeper on the 2nd roll. I don’t see a rock after the 1st roll. Perhaps something was under the body . . autopsy pics by the OL pathologist will be interesting.

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Nice!

I expected at least one of them to lose lens totally…
Mostly since neither has SS bezel ring to keep aluminum from deforming.

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The rock in the first roll over actually protected the light. It supported the light and took the weight on the body itself. In the second roll over, the light was in the softer soil in the middle and small rocks under at least one end, so it gave under the pressure and snapped the aluminum at it's weakest point, where the threads are. That's my storyFoot in Mouth and I will be able to prove it, or disprove it, when they arrive.

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Nice assessment Old-Lumens! Beer Were you a medical examiner in a previous life? Big Smile

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gotta cry foul over the crush tests… the t50 was at a severe disadvantage due to being on/close to the big lumps of stone!

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Nice assessment Old-Lumens! Beer Were you a medical examiner in a previous life? :D
I played Doctor quite a bit, does that count?Laughing

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Old-Lumens wrote:
Halo... wrote:
Nice assessment Old-Lumens! Beer Were you a medical examiner in a previous life? :D
I played Doctor quite a bit, does that count?Laughing

Dr Who?

 

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The lights arrived. There's not enough left to triage.

I will start with the SC600 first. It does not work. Won't come on at all.

sc1

 

sc2

Overall, it's scarred all to hell. Deep scars all over the bezel, head, body and tail cap. Deeper than can be "fixed". The scars will live on as testament to the damage done on the light. Battle scars.

 

sc3

Dent in Tail Cap.

 

sc4

The driver is fried. If you look close you can see one component split in two. I believe that once water got inside, from the busted lens, the driver shorted out. At this point, I would believe it needs a new switch, new driver and new LED, just to bring it back to where it was before the testing.

 

Now for the UF T-50. I like to call it the Ultrafake, since it's almost a flashlight, but not really.

t51

Of course, we know it almost goes round corners now. It is not working. Guaranteed it's fried.

It won't come apart at this stage.

 

t52

Lots of deep scars all over the light.

 

t53

Reflector is toast, so is the lens. It's in one piece, but scarred badly.

 

t55

Here's the culprit. A stone kept this spot on the light under pressure during the crushing and the head area was in softer soil, so it bent the light, but it is not really bent. I will explain in a minute.

 

tt1

Notice that with a little TLC, the light is straight again. I put the head in a vise and used the channel locks to "pop" the joint, just like a chiropractor. It got the light straight and I was able to get it apart. Instead of splitting, the threads "jumped" causing the bent look and the threads are damaged. It sort of wiped them out as it jumped threads. It can go back together, but it will be for good.

 

tt2

Here's the breakdown. The driver, switch, led, reflector and lens all need to be replaced.

 

tt3

One side of the driver.

 

tt4

The other side of the driver. There was "shrapnel" in the housing where the driver sits in.

 

tt5

The switch is smashed and was torn off the backing plate.

 

All in all, it's a disaster. I would chunk both of them, but I agreed to fix them. I will do that.

I need the following parts:

SC600

  • Stock Driver
  • Stock Lens
  • Stock Switch
  • Possibly the LED - I have to test it.

 

UF T50

  • Stock Driver
  • Stock Switch
  • Reflector
  • Lens
  • Possibly the LED, again it needs testing

 

Why Stock parts?? Both of these lights use electronic switches. There is absolutely no room for a bigger switch. It has to be an electronic switch, so the driver has to work with an electronic switch, so why F*** with crazy stuff, just replace them. Anyone got some stock parts lying around?

I also want the stock reflector and lenses, because they are so specific in the way they fit, that generics will not work correctly. It's not like a Maglite where there is lots of open space to play. These lights were designed for these components. They weren't made to accept generic off the shelf parts.

Anyhow, it's going to take a while and either I have success with trying to get parts from the manufacturers, or new lights will have to be stripped to fix these lights. Huh?, That's what I said, LOL.

 

 

 

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Good luck, you’ll need it, lol.

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I think instead of repairs the bodies should be weight tested till they collapse

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If the switches are still good, DrJones drivers would work very well.

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Right at this point in time I actually feel a little shattered. The person I admire more than any one else in this world who I thought could do anything without a sonic screwdriver but with a file and soldering iron cannot fix these minor faults and wants to use new items to restore them? Shattered I am I say.

Seriously there has to be another finish to this scientific experiment from the best minds in the flashlight business. Do we really want to see these flashlights live again unless Old-Lumens really wants to reprieve his reputation or is there someone more imaginative than me out there that can finish this with a bang? Bort has made the first suggestion.

 

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MRsDNF wrote:
 Bort has made the first suggestion.

My suggestions would all likely involve firearms.

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Chicago X wrote:

MRsDNF wrote:
 Bort has made the first suggestion.

My suggestions would all likely involve firearms.


they could be sent to the mythbusters

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When in doubt, use more explosives.

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You guys are blowing our minds with this thread, I have been emailing the tests to my non-flashlight friends and they are mind blown as well, this is fascinating stuff.

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I would say they are both total losses. The idea was to repair them if possible. Seems like having to replace so much of the light is really not repairing them so much as replacing them.

If it was a car and needed a new motor, trans, windshield, tires, paint, steering wheel and all electrical components replaced, it would be a total write off.

They wouldn’t really be the original lights anymore since you would just be keeping the body. I say call off the repair and let’s do another test of a couple of lights.

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i’m willing to take care of the sc600 host Smile one really clever czech guy makes his own drivers which can be operated with an eletronic button, led should be okay.. glass lens is cheap Smile

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FUBAR

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Mount them on a plinth, with the guts laid out below, as a testament to the abuse both lights needed to kill them.

There are no winners here, both are cannon fodder, they died well though and should be remembered. :hat:

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gords1001 wrote:
Mount them on a plinth, with the guts laid out below, as a testament to the abuse both lights needed to kill them.

There are no winners here, both are cannon fodder, they died well though and should be remembered. :hat:

Some times you just need to talk it through, and know when to sign the Do Not Resuscitate papers.

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Would be senseless to gut perfectly good lights to just reuse beat shells from the old ones.  One of the worse ideas I've heard lately.  Let them die with dignity and call it a day.

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JohnnyMac wrote:

Would be senseless to gut perfectly good lights to just reuse beat shells from the old ones.  One of the worse ideas I’ve heard lately.  Let them die with dignity and call it a day.

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Contact Zebralight and Ultrafire. Tell them what was done give them rights to the photos and see if they would spot BLF the give away lights…..

I think both mfg’s should be proud of what those lights endured

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NightCrawl wrote:

If the switches are still good, DrJones drivers would work very well.

Both switches were crushed during the crush tests, with the truck.

 

 

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Ok. Maybe try heating them until they melt and form a new flashlight out of it? Silly

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Zebralight is supposed to have a good warranty.  Send our subject to them with a simple note stating, "It just stopped working the other day.  I'm not sure what happened or why".

I'd love to see their reply. LOL!

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:bigsmile: I was thinking the same thing.

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