Review: Xeno E03 XM-L (Pic heavy, beamshots)

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You seem to end up throwing your lights a lot. At dogs, during fireworks, etc. Have you thought about carrying some insurance on that TK70? :bigsmile:

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agenthex wrote:

You seem to end up throwing your lights a lot. At dogs, during fireworks, etc. Have you thought about carrying some insurance on that TK70? :bigsmile:

 

Good one!  I seem to recall the post about throwing a light at a dog also Silly

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Yep, I was watching last night's National Day fireworks (very nice searchlights as well, lit up the whole damn sky I think easily 50 of them total in addition to Marina Bay Sands by Las Vegas Sands). Not only lights, but my cameras as well. But that is for $$$ usage, so no issue, all factored in and expected.  LOL!

Pretty normal fireworks and I think they cut the budget by a lot this year, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DanqUUjREM  (btw it is the same place where they do the Formula 1 night race). You see those tall buildings?  That's about 2km, still trying to hit those targets more visibly, it is not easy to hit them with a really visible shot due to light pollution. 

Searchlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsstMy0Dn8Y

Of course naturally for the expensive lights, i'd be much more careful.  And I make sure i never drop HIDs, they will probably never survive any fall, being plastic.

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I got mine today. Nice! I can't seem to see any difference between high and medium when using a TF 14500? Anyone else notice this?

I got the warm white. I can see the difference when using an eneloop.

 

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You can measure the difference. It's something like only a 70% ratio on lithiums, but significantly different on nihm.

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agenthex wrote:

You can measure the difference. It's something like only a 70% ratio on lithiums, but significantly different on nihm.

I thought about doing that but was feeling lazy.

1.4 a

.94a

.28a

Must be my eyes. I can't see any noticeable difference. Battery is at 3.89 V. Might recharge it and try again.

 

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Speaking of laziness, I was wondering how this driver actually worked, since PWM drivers usually have constant fixed ratios. I tried shaking it fast, but didn't see any telltale signs (broken trail), which means if it's pwm, it's at least quite fast frequency (uses more power, but less visible). A camera might help, but I didn't bother checking.

 

Also, 30 to 40% is only like 15-20% apparent difference in logarithmic brightness.

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E03 doesn't use PWM.

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Do you know what driver chip/setup it does use? 

 

This claims it's a linear driver, but that's clearly untrue:

http://tacticalhid.info/e03

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new tailcap reading

tf flame 4.15 v (damn xtar charger)

1.81

1.2

.34

My flames are fairly new. Maybe only 3 cycles.

Might have to buy a cool white as well

 

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Ok, received my XML CW version today. What can I say? Yeah, the hotspot is big but not huge :bigsmile: (Man, I thought it will be like ZTT light zoomed out, lol :bigsmile: )

 OK, here's my review (at 15PM, so no real brightness perception): (will add more cons, pros, etc after testing it this night)

PROS:

- Nice build quality. HAII probably, but again, no flaws here, nicely done. Quite heavy (because of that bezel, a very nice touch for the light btw Smile )

- Lubed threads with good sealing (double o-rings). (my first light with square threads. I like it. Only 2 full turns needed to screw/unscrew it) 

- Came with extra switch, lanyard, and spare 2 o-rings. Good package set. (manual included)

- Clean assembly: good soldering job, clean emitter and good centered (0.1-0.2 mm off center), clean glass lens (don't know if it has AR coating).

- No batt rattling. 

- Tailstand (a pro for me)

- Compatible with multiple type of batts/cells.

- Silent and no PWM on all modes. 

- Well regulated 

CONS:

- Gets unpleasantly hot in less than 10 sec on HI with 14500.

- No memory. Nowadays, I think all lights should have memory :~

- No anti-rolling design (a con for me) 

Various:

- Tint: 1B, according to the specs. To the eye: not so bad and not so cold. Similar to my P60 UF host. Apparently, both have slightly yellowish/greenish hotspot and purple spill, but Xeno tint is nicer, it has less purplish spill. But still, waaaay too far from my lovely Kingpower and ITP white tints Love So if you want whitest tint possible like me, I think CW will suits you well, NW could be more orange than white.

- No strobe, SOS, disco modes. 

- Well, not a con really, but MED and LOW should be lower with li-ion (and AFAIK, everyone thinks the same)

- Switch: it works and w/o problems so far, but it has... somewhat awkward and cheap press feeling :~ Quite stiff.

- Good grip with heavy and sharp knurling (I personally prefer not so sharp knurling, but yeah, no prob here)

- SOP reflector helps smoothing beam pattern, but still not 100% perfect (btw, looks like all XML have it. I can't describe it very well, but beam patterns on my Kingpower (OP) and ITP (SMO) (both Q5) are perfect Flat Stare Zero problems in real life (you can see those "flaws" on white wall only)

 

Ok, now about brightness: bright with 14500 and dim with NiMh. Comparing to my ITP C7 with Q5 for example... not a big difference: spill almost the same, ITP has tighter and brighter hotspot, Xeno - bigger and dimmer.

To sum up: nice light, high quality, well worth 30 bucks. But, you should know that this light (with XML) is better for close-up jobs, don't buy it if you need throw. For me, no more XML small light because I prefer more throw. 

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Only 2 modes with NiMh!

It has three modes, mlh. Med and high differ little but they are separate modes.  

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Not on mine. Press once - HI, another press - LO, another press - HI, another press - LO.

But it has 3 modes with 14500, so, as I said before, I like it has only 2 modes with NiMh.

BTW, serial number is 0311 2218 (first 4 digits: MMYY, month-yeah I think. The other 4 digits - could be a total number of lights they've made) 

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Mine is 0311 0303. That is an interesting new design. Right, I can see how having only two modes is more convenient.

The medium is useful for me because on high it gets really hot after a while. On medium it doesn't. I think the way they did it is to ramp it up as high as they can get without overheating and make that medium. I like it that way.

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Yup, agreed Smile Gets slightly warm after 1 min on MED. But it gets too hot after 10-15 sec on HI. It's strange, because HI is about 20% brighter than MED Flat Stare With 14500 it's: HI-MED-Turbo :bigsmile:

BTW, I like it more now, after "playing" with it for a while Big Smile I think it will replace my zoomed-out LedLenser for close-up jobs. Quite useful that floody beam.

Ah, other things about serial number: as I said before, first 4 digits could be the date, but no of the current batch, it should be the date when they started to fabricate that model/version. 1110 (nov. 2010) - XPG version, 0311 (march 2011) - XML version. And the other day I saw V3 model, SN started with 0711. Apparently that model has bigger rubber tail cap (and black instead of GIND). Check this site for pics and more info (if you understand Japanise :bigsmile: )

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SashiX,  those are Japanese.Tongue out

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If your only has 2 modes on nihm, then unfortunately it's defective. 

It should be more like the 14500's have two modes, because hi and med only differ by 30-40%.

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OK, now it has 3 modes :~ I've changed the batt. Strange. Don't know if it's an issue, but my unit has a very short delay when turned ON with NiMh (about 0.2 sec). No such delay with 14500. Now HI works. Before it was only MED-LO.

UPDATE: ok, I have to change between modes faster :bigsmile: Looks like I was doing it too slow. Could be the switch also, it feels somewhat cheapy. Anyway, excellent light. Thumbs up.

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okyeung wrote:

SashiX,  those are Japanese.Tongue out

D'oh! :bigsmile: Thanks for telling me that, will update my previous post as well. Wink

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My friends 2 year old grabbed hold of mine and ran off with it.(he loves playing with my lights). His 4 year old sister tried to take it off him and after a struggle my Xeno went flying through the air and hit a hard tiled floor. Surprised

Still working perfectly. Smile

My friends were laughing at me because I was edc-ing 5 lights. They also found it amusing that  look at flashlight forums. Soon after we had a blackout. They stopped laughing and I started laughing.

 

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Sure it was like "Muahahaha" J)

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edc, you bid me.  I only carry 4 lights on me.Tongue out

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Just received my 2nd xeno E03 today... dated 07-11 on the serial  , my original was 03-11

 

Looks like they have made a few changes.  It no longer has the smaller GITD tailcap button, instead it has a regular 14mm black button. 

The inside dimensions of the tail cap have also changed to accommodate the larger tail cap button.

It also has a less knurling (finer) and the finger grooves seem to not be as deep as the original.

 

My views:

LIKES : I like the larger tail cap button, since I have spare 14mm's I could replace them with any color I want, or change a damaged one. I wish it would have came with a GITD as stated by the seller. (that's me just be picky)

Dislikes:  I miss the more rugged knurling on the body and the deeper finger grooves.

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You received V3 version then. Please, post side-by-side pics for better comparison. Thanks.

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Sorry for the crappy cell phone pics.

Seems to me the v3 is a little brighter than v2... my v2 has a yellowish tint, while the v3 has more cool white tent.  Both are "Cool White" models.

 

Here they are.

 

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I think the black tailcap change is fine. However, it really is too bad that they made the knurling less agressive. The old knurling felt very grippy and nice in the hand. 

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SirJohn wrote:

I think the black tailcap change is fine. However, it really is too bad that they made the knurling less agressive. The old knurling felt very grippy and nice in the hand. 

I'm glad they changed the tailcap to a regular sized one.  That way I can have spares.  The lack of knurling makes the light feel less "expensive" to me... I don't know why...

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I Just bought the Red Cool white version, Will be my high output light on a mt hiking trip as I'm going lightweight now. will be leaving my Solarforce L2 with kadoiman XML drop in

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okyeung wrote:

edc, you bid me.  I only carry 4 lights on me.Tongue out

I don't usually edc 5. My friend has a penthouse so I took the skyray 3 xml, L2T,KD C8 to try out (along with my dqg2 and Xeno). I saw a car speeding up a 40km hr street. I was just about to give them a blast with the skyray when I realized it was the police. lol

 

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OK, 3 changes so far (comparing to V2):

- knurling less aggressive (was veeery aggressive before, IMO, you can actually use it as sand paper :bigsmile: )

- Bigger rubber tailcap (black instead of GITD)

- Less deeper finger grooves (after playing with mine for awhile, I can say that those finger grooves are amazing, light feels very comfortable in hand)

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