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Thanks for the Convoy tube info- that should provide me all I want. Awaiting the GB info and I’m definitely in Big Smile
Kudos to robo819 and MaxToch- you are winners for sure!

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M24 also works with single tube + battery from thorfire c8s; kinda nice.

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I’m pretty sure what robo819 meant was that the Hunter and Sniper are both 2 cell lights, set up to run on 2 cells only and not one.

I also am pretty sure that Amanda is not really understanding the question about the single cell tube fitting this light. She probably thinks we’re wanting to run the light on a single cell, not realizing we are intending to use 2 half cells. (those of us that want a more compact light)

The reason for this is the Buck driver, it needs the overhead to work properly and isn’t set up to run a single 4.2V cell. Richards Buck driver is also like this, it won’t work with one 4.2V cell.

I may see if I can get the single cell tube they have and see how it plays with the new light. I’m betting it’s going to be too short for the 2 18350’s 70mm length. Perhaps it could work with some adjustments, I don’t know, but I’m willing to check it out and see. Maybe a small spacer on each end would extend the tube length enough for the pair of short cells to work.

David, do you think you could get Amanda to send you the single tube for experimentation purposes? I hate to try to order a single $3 or $4 item on AliExpress…

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Robo, I accept everything you said.
…Except that I was really clear repeatedly that I wasn’t talking about use of single cells on the short tube, to the point I stated “let’s not call it a single-cell tube, let’s call it a Shorty tube” because I’m inquiring about the possibility of using two 18350’s.

So, are we saying now that the M24 “single cell tube” would actually PHYSICALLY fit into the 2x head? [we already know the tailcap will fit..] Thank you DB Custom, for looking into this! Yes, I think Amanda definitely ought to send you one!

It really burns me that people started making half-length cells, yet failed at actually doing so. Frustrates me to no end. I mean, I imagine a meeting of people sitting around a table. “Okay, men. We need a half-length 18650 cell. It’s got to be HALF the length of an 18650 cell. So people can put 2 cells in a 1-cell holder and get double the voltage. So, what’re we gonna do about that?” “Um, how ‘bout we make them all a centimeter longer than half length?” “Great idea! Get on that immediately! Now, every other manufacturer, do exactly likewise!”

Sorry, I’m venting! I even searched “18300” and “18325” with “li-ion”, and nothing. Apparently no one wants to make a true half-length 18650 cell! It’s better for a cell to be too short than too long. Reminds me of all these budget Chinese LED lights, none of them really deliver. Most actually have great potential, and yet ALL are hampered by a seemingly intentional Achilles heel, to the point that everyone has to “mod” their lights to get them to perform as they should, and they were so close to the finish line already, it makes no sense and just frustrates you. Like the gearbest group buy zoomie [1405?] which had a huge lens but only did 1 amp. Ditto on the PALight Boss1, or that other hard-to-spell one I mentioned earlier, and innumerable others. They COULD get it right, for very little extra effort and cost. It’s seriously like they deliberately choose [not chose, CHOOSE] not to. I don’t have hours to research and order parts, gather my tools, and focus 100% on swapping out drivers, stars etc just because some company on the other side of Earth couldn’t get it right the first time. A company which can lathe or mill metal parts (which I can’t do), but can’t pick a driver to save their life (which even I can do!).

That’s why when I see a project like this (and I do see the 2x as a project, not a product only), like the BLF A6, where you have a crazy amount of knowhow, collaboration, serious experience and testing going into it, it makes me sit up and take notice. I either missed or did not realize the significance of the BLF M24 group buy. If we get a GB on the 2x worthy of this group, I’ll bite. I did not expect to be as pleased as I was with my first tube light, the blf A6, but there was so much experience and work that went into it, it shows every time I use it. I expect this to be the same. (But I won’t be buying 2+ of these Big Smile .)

I’m assuming the previous statement (I forget by whom) about the 2x being parallel was a mistake, since no info or clarification on that has been forthcoming. I hate to publicly contradict people who appear to know far more than myself, but on this one I’m semi-confident until other info comes in.

It would be awesome if we could figure out a way to get 2 18350 cells working with existing available parts. And it will “feel good” in my hand, oh yeah. Hey, isn’t part of impressing your friends, revealing certain big things that come in small packages?

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Feel better?

Now do it again, and again, and a few hundred more times, and you’ll begin to understand what a group buy is all about. Wink

Convincing the power’s that be, on the other side of the rock, to do it “our way” is not an easy proposition. MaxToch is one of the best out there for listening. Their lights are robust, their anodizing is excellent, and the end product, the result, is on par with what we expect. Kudo’s!

That said, keep in mind that this light in particular has already undergone an extensive testing and questioning period and was explicitly designed for hunters, by hunters, with several generations of MaxToch lights preceeding it. The previous generations have whittled down the specs to this particular light, it’s a culmination of hundreds of hours of applied field use, fully intended for rifle mount. So don’t expect changes at this point, it’s already in production and will remain as is I’m sure. We might possibly make use of shorter battery tubes they already have, helping to rid their warehouse of these blights on the hunters well documented maps, but that will be on the few of us that use the lights out of context. Wink

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Exactly. Thanks Dale

Still adjustments to specifications quite possible as Maxtoch do necessary QA on first limited production run of lights, but no significant changes to light build at this stage.

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+100 Dale

First yes I was mistaken when I said the 2X is parallel I meant to say series with the M24 and 2X both , my apologies for that one.

I also need to correct my previous statement of the C8 tube working in the M24 , at least with the 4.5 amp driver. The head I was using it with and the light functioning right was my original M24 with the original driver which is a 3.2 to 3.4 or so amp driver. It DOES NOT function with this 4.5 amp driver in the 2X or the M24. (only have three M24’s so it gets confusing which one I grab)

The single tube was actually made for the M24-S (which was the one gray color) to run on one cell originally so I have no idea with the 2X.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MAXTOCH-M24S-body-tube-to-contain-1pc-186...

Although it does not function , here is what the 2X head looks like with the Convoy C8 tube and 2X tailcap anyway.


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mudgripz wrote:
Exactly. Thanks Dale

Still adjustments to specifications quite possible as Maxtoch do necessary QA on first limited production run of lights, but no significant changes to light build at this stage.

So, does this mean the lights us first buyers get may not be as good as the next ? In terms of performance etc.

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No. There are no increased outputs planned on this model.

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HereAgainAgain wrote:
mudgripz wrote:
Exactly. Thanks Dale

Still adjustments to specifications quite possible as Maxtoch do necessary QA on first limited production run of lights, but no significant changes to light build at this stage.

So, does this mean the lights us first buyers get may not be as good as the next ? In terms of performance etc.

If there are any changes they will be very minor ones but I think the overall performance of these lights is about as good as it will get. I cant see them improving performance any at all , without sacrificing some of the other things like run time and more heat , which I do not see happening to be honest.

A minor tweak here or there is POSSIBLE is all I think mudgripz was saying NOT that they will be trying to get better output or anything.

The first run of lights is always the ones that tell the story of overall performance in the real world , but so far with Maxtoch they usually don’t release lights until they have things sorted.

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mudgripz wrote:
No. There are no increased outputs planned on this model.

You did it again mudgripz…… posted while I was typing response..lol

It is all good

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Smile It is exactly as you say.

Maxtoch tested all the prototypes and made a few changes, then as a matter of QA they are testing again the first production models and might tweak those before full release.

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I’m wondering if they are withholding shipping while they sort out some things.
I ordered on Sunday, and it still says 5 days till despatch on my order status on Aliexpress.

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I’m wondering if they are withholding shipping while they sort out some things. I ordered on Sunday, and it still says 5 days till despatch on my order status on Aliexpress.

It usually takes like 4 to 7 days from my experience for anything to start tracking from overseas.

EDIT: Actually I just looked back at a light I had coming for review , it took 9 days for it to start moving, or showing anything once it was dropped off for dispatch.

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robo819 wrote:
HereAgainAgain wrote:
I’m wondering if they are withholding shipping while they sort out some things. I ordered on Sunday, and it still says 5 days till despatch on my order status on Aliexpress.

It usually takes like 4 to 7 days from my experience for anything to start tracking from overseas.

EDIT: Actually I just looked back at a light I had coming for review , it took 9 days for it to start moving, or showing anything once it was dropped off for dispatch.

Ah nuts. That’s good to know though, cheers.

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To answer that little fear of a potential Quality Control tweak, isn’t it ALWAYS the case that a product can be tweaked, improved, even modified substantially? Upgrades, updates, security recalls… manufacturer’s are always responding to feedback and field events, right?

And with electronics, your brand new just arrived unit is outdated with new tech the first time you turn it on. Better computers, better phones, and yes, better drivers and LED’s. It’s the constant push to move forward and not stagnate. It drives sales. Wink

When you stop and think about it though, hasn’t MaxToch always been of very excellent quality? So they make sure, before it’s released, that it meets their criteria. Pretty sure you don’t have to worry about getting an inferior light from this company.

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DB Custom wrote:
When you stop and think about it though, hasn’t MaxToch always been of very excellent quality? So they make sure, before it’s released, that it meets their criteria. Pretty sure you don’t have to worry about getting an inferior light from this company.

From what I’ve red here – definitely.
It is not a fear of getting a lemon, it’s more “oh did I rush in?”

There will no doubt as you say be bigger and better in future, but cripes, when I get my first run light, I’d hate Maxtoch to suddenly / soon bump up the specs !!
But looking back on their history, I doubt it’ll happen suddenly. I think back to the stock Maxtochs of only a few years – 50-100 Klux was King.

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I would almost guarantee the output will not be made any higher on the 2X. The U4 will not handle but 5 amps or so , over that and it becomes unstable , so that only leaves a half an amp to play with for more output. I just don’t see them pushing it to the max and taking a chance with that.

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robo or mudgripz, is the dedomed emitter left bare or does Maxtoch apply a seal over it? If left bare, has anyone reported oxidation or degradation of the emitter with use over time? Thanks.

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I have a number of emitters I have dedomed with NO sealant on them. So far I have not had any of them fail or have any noticeable performance loss. I just looked at a couple of them and cannot tell where the older ones look any different than the more recent ones under the magnifying glass, with the oldest one at this time about 8 months and a good bit of use.

As far as how Maxtoch is doing theirs , I have not asked so I cannot give an answer on that.
They sent me the driver they are using to fit in my prototype and I got the Maxtoch board with the U4 1A from Richard and did the dedome myself.

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Cheers robo
As you know personally I’ve been hanging out for this.
The price to performance ratio – or just the performance alone – is absolutely killer.

0.5 amp sure is bugger all !!

I’ll be very happy to get out with the beast. Which I have just now noticed has been sent ! Excited.

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robo819 wrote:
Although it does not function , here is what the 2X head looks like with the Convoy C8 tube and 2X tailcap anyway.



Robo, thank you for taking the time and effort to post that (and I understand it’s only a hypothetical/thought experiment). Some might think it looks weird, and I’m not very looks-oriented, but I think it looks sweet! LOL. I’ll shut up now. Thank you for the eye candy. I’m sorry the experiment didn’t work, but thanks for the news, and for trying.

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First new 2Xs now arriving in NZ – interesting comments from buyers:

“Been using a led lenser m14 for last few years. The maxtoch just leaves it for dead!! Honestly Im just stunned as to how bright it is….Hoping to get out shortly and take this “electric dog” for a big walk.”

“Excellent product quality. Stunning light output.”

365k is a helluva lot of light….. Smile

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What the ?

They were only released 10 days ago !
That’s some lightening fast shipping.

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Are those 365k tested allready? BLF m24 claimed to be 250k yet it was arround 200k…wonder what an old s4 will give in that reflector, i am quite impatient to try it out Smile

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Yes we’ve tested 2-3 at just under 360k at 6m, so 365k at 10 meters is realistic.

Maxtoch’s output claims are usually right on the money. The BLF light I got tested at about 248k from memory, so it would be very surprising to get just 200k from one of those.

Keep an eye on your meter – I’ve had to throw out two lux meters which began to read low over the years – no idea why.

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Well i could be wrong about BFL M24 if i ordered just one, but i odered 4 from the original GB and 3 afterthat. Latest samples were arround 205-210k but the first ones barely touched 200k, there was one at 185k
The price/usefulness ratio was awesom though

I will appreciate any info about the hotspot at 300 meters, and especialy its hotspot effective cover area agains M3X at 300 – 400m…i use M3X since i presume its well knows and owned in NZ

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That’s odd – have tested maybe 30 in total over the years and they have always been pretty much bang on manufacturer specs for output.

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I like Maxtoch head + Convoy tube crossbreed Big Smile

P.S. Why is their name Max toch ? did they forget “r” (Maxto r ch) somewhere? It looks kinda stupid, everyone will think its a typo!

 

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Sirius9 wrote:
I like Maxtoch head + Convoy tube crossbreed Big Smile

P.S. Why is their name Max toch ? did they forget “r” (Maxto r ch) somewhere? It looks kinda stupid, everyone will think its a typo!

I think the Maxtorch name was taken at the time and they dropped the “R” when they started.

It is a lot better than the Uranusfire name though don’t ya think? Big Smile

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