How a Zippo Armor lighter should have been made

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I just received in two polished brass Zorros 912’s from:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/waterproof-lighter-gasoline-outdoor-camp...

Seems like they were a steal at £13.23 each and took 13 days to arrive. Price has gone up but seller was extremely fast getting here from China to South Wales. Same price as as standard Zippo from Amazon.

They’re bloody heavy, beefy things!

The tank for my Titanium arrived safely from Japan today too, seems very good Zippo like construction, will not be testing till my Titanium arrives.

Still waiting on my Titanium armour lighter, it seems to have arrived in the Netherlands so not long, that should be okay to carry on my belt.

Cheers all!

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do you think these zorros fit these?

waterproof case

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It’s just a case and you provide the insert. Looks a bit OTT to me.

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Just wanted to say the Zorro’s are now on sale again for £12.97. Will probably take a bit longer with Lunar New Year coming up on Tuesday.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/waterproof-lighter-gasoline-outdoor-camp...

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Man, what a journey it’s been trying to get one of these Zorro War Armor lighters! I wanted one of the silver ones. I went to the site Steve linked to in his original post but they were out of them. I found one in another AE store and ordered it.

I won’t go into detail here but after 2 1/2 months, I put in a dispute and got my money refunded. I checked the site where Steve got his again and they had the silver, (chrome), back in stock. I ordered it.

Well, here we go again! About 2 weeks after I paid, they finally listed it as shipped. Now, almost 3 weeks later, nothing. The tracking number they provided doesn’t exist. I’ve checked every tracking site there is and nothing.

If I ever receive this elusive lighter, it’ll be a miracle!

I grabbed one from https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Zorro-lighter-armor-kerosene-custom-copp... and it took about 3 1/2 weeks to arrive in Oregon. Came in today. Looks and works great.

Just wondering Masejoer, did they provide you with a functioning tracking number after you purchased it? Thanks.

Didn’t get an alert about a response to my post. Anyway, no, they didn’t provide a valid tracking number. There is a tracking number, but it doesn’t track anywhere. USPS tracking would be the most helpful, but mine still says “Label Created, not yet in system”, although I received the lighter last month.

Ordered 3 more from the link in the previous post. Just another thing to “collect”, but these will be handy to have. Never owned lighters, even disposables, but they would be handy a few times every month. I guess we have had some of those long-neck non-refillable ones, but I never use them.

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Didn’t get an alert about a response to my post. Anyway, no, they didn’t provide a valid tracking number. There is a tracking number, but it doesn’t track anywhere. USPS tracking would be the most helpful, but mine still says “Label Created, not yet in system”, although I received the lighter last month.

Ordered 3 more from the link in the previous post. Just another thing to “collect”, but these will be handy to have. Never owned lighters, even disposables, but they would be handy a few times every month. I guess we have had some of those long-neck non-refillable ones, but I never use them.

Same here. Both times: “Label created, not yet in system”. Still waiting.

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Wanted to bring this up again as I FINALLY received one! What a journey it was to get it!

I received the chrome plated one and this thing is a BRICK! It’s so heavy, it would make a nice weapon as you could throw it at someone and incapacitate them. I don’didn’t notice anyone who purchased one describing it’s weight but maybe I missed it.

If I was going to carry this, I would have gone the expensive route like Steve did and bought the Ti model.

This is more of a table lighter due to it’s weight. I have to admit, the construction is first rate. Everything about it is quality.

Has Steve or anyone filled this with lighter fluid and a regular Zippo and see if this holds the lighter fluid much longer than a Zippo? This has an O-ring in the lid like Steve said in his original post to seal it more securely than a Zippo. What I always hated about Zippo’s is the fluid dried out in a matter of days or in a couple of weeks. Hopefully this will let less fluid escape.

Remember that scene in Kevin Costner’s movie “The Postman”? He came across a postal vehicle where the driver had been dead so long he was a skeleton but found a Zippo lighter that still worked!

Anyway, this is a quality lighter that’s too heavy to carry around unless you’re packing it in a survival bag or whatever.

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Glad you eventually received it.
I did say it is a fair chunck of brass, a lot heavier at 150g versus the zippo’s 55g.
150g weighs about the same as 150g or 5.3oz, so easy to compare Big Smile
The full ti version with fuel tank which I carry is 109g, I find that a nice weight.
I agree the brass does feel extra heavy.

My brass version sits on the worktop with fuel in it with the standard insert, doesn’t get used much but seems to retain the fuel for months.

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Thanks Steve and thanks for the info in that it holds it’s fuel for months. My best Zippo holds it’s fuel for maybe 2-3 weeks at best.

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Yeah, these are table lighters and not EDC lighters unless you’re used to carrying bricks in your pocket. Big Smile So far the one I have has held fluid and not dried out.

I had to put another dispute in for the second lighter and the usb arc lighter that I ordered. After I put in the dispute, the same dealer you guys ordered from said I had not received my usb arc lighter because they cannot ship them to the USA. What?

This dealer fought me for a refund but luckily, PP came to my rescue and refunded me. NEVER order from AE unless the store accepts PP!

Even though AE stores offer items you can’t get anywhere else and that is really great and a lot of you have received your items eventually, I’m burnt out about using AE and I’m done with them!

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I know, old thread but I wanted to update. I filled the lighter with Ronsonal lighter fuel, (which is quality fuel), about 1 1/2-2 months ago to see if the fuel would evaporate over that time.

I checked it today and not only had the fuel evaporated but the thin rubber gasket which supposedly seals the lid and helps keep the fuel from evaporating had completely disintegrated! Just tiny bits of it remaining and the rest completely gone leaving a somewhat sticky residue behind.

Who would have guessed they would use a rubber or whatever it’s composition is to seal the lid could be attacked and destroyed by lighter fuel, the very thing it’s supposed to contain? Kind of dumb!

It’s still an overbuilt quality lighter and the fuel will last longer than a regular Zippo but don’t expect it to hold fuel for months which is disappointing to me.

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I have a few lighters with a wick, and i always use Naphta (wasbenzine in Dutch).

It’s around $ 2 for a liter.

I’ve got one of those cheap very tiny ones on my keychain, for when i forget my regular disposable propane lighter.

They have an O-ring seal so they don’t dry up.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000101425849.html

They work pretty well actually.

I still have a plain smooth chromed Zippo too, but it’s just too smelly for my liking.

But if you don’t do the lid flinging tricks, it’ll probably last a lifetime.

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Yeah Ronsonal is basically naphtha.

This DID have an O-ring seal! Angry

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I have the original Titanium War Armor, which sold for $120. Sadly it’s been discontinued.

Anyway, as an experiment, I decided to see how long the fuel could last.

It was fueled on July 30th, 2018. It’s now Feb 7th, 2020, and its still holding fuel (checked it last night.)

I wish a company would produce a version out of CNC Aluminum.

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Gebes head explodes.. Big Smile

There are quite a few other versions, even a lighter weight ti model.
Never seen an alu version though. 7075 would be nice.

I use 0.5mm thick watch gaskets for sealing o-rings, forget the diameter, got a multipack years ago.
A tiny amount of lube helps too for sealing/ longevity prior to installation, like on our lights plus use extra refined fuel.

Mine after four years, purple anodized.

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The Purple anodized looks great.

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CRX, yes, my head is exploding!

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monkey, That’s truly amazing but for $120.00 it SHOULD hold it’s fluid forever! Cash I agree that a aluminum version would be great as my version is too heavy to even consider as an EDC but it was relatively cheap and is built like a tank.

I replaced the original gasket with one of the extras that was included with it and it seems to be holding up but it’s a long way from being proven long term.

CRX, it seems like a good tip on lubing the rubber gasket before installing. What do you use?

All in all, for $20.99, (what I paid), it is how a Zippo should have been and should be built. If they constructed it out of high grade aluminum, it really would be a winner.

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Oh yeah CRX, what’s EXTRA refined fuel? Here in the U.S. Ronsonol lighter fluid, (refined naphtha), which has been around forever here is as good as it gets.

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Although silicone & petrol don’t mix I’ve just been using a tiny smear of silicone grease for the o-ring.
There is most probably a more suitable grease though.
I believe the o-rings I use are some type of chemical resistant NBR or similar and are a firm neat fit.
I appear to be on my last one though so will need to find more.
My lighter gets used a lot and I do a monthly maintenance clean etc of it as any dirt or debris on the CNC machined seal edges will affect proper sealing closure.

I also use swan extra long flints. I keep two in the flint tube by replacing the brass plunger on the spring with an extra flint plus one tucked into the slot in the bottom of the ti fuel tank.

I say extra refined fuel but that is my judgement after using quite a few brands over the years and not what is printed on the can.
What I judge on is the smell.
Some fuels stink to high heaven with that petro-chemical smell while some others I can hardly notice.
Obviously the least smell coming from the lighter is desirable too.
I don’t know why some fuels smell more than others but assume it is because they are less refined or have extra crap in them/ made from different substances.

Ronson Permafluid is the least smelly I have used probably followed by a cheap brand called atlas.
Ronsonal isn’t too bad. Been a long time but zippo brand & others like that seem to be worse smelling.
There seems to be dfifferent cheap brands in the local shops every time I look with varying differences to them.

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Gebe wrote:
CRX, yes, my head is exploding!

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monkey, That’s truly amazing but for $120.00 it SHOULD hold it’s fluid forever! Cash I agree that a aluminum version would be great as my version is too heavy to even consider as an EDC but it was relatively cheap and is built like a tank.

I replaced the original gasket with one of the extras that was included with it and it seems to be holding up but it’s a long way from being proven long term.

The O-rings used in the Titanium War Armor we’re very high quality. Perhaps someone can find a source for them; presumably its a specific grade of rubber designed for petroleum product / naptha resistance:

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1jSweJFXXXXXqXVXXq6xXFXXXf/200969753/HTB1j...

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I did find these but out of stock, don’t know the material either.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32972673176.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.5203...

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Thanks for that CRX! I did clean up all the seal edges when I replaced the original O-ring and the replacement went on fairly easily.

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monkey, quality O-rings with your Titanium War Armor are probably the reason you’ve had such good luck with sealing. The ones that came with my Zorro are definitely lacking. It would be great to find some quality replacements.

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Here’s a list of O-rings materials that are chemically equivalent with Naptha (the material lighter fluid is made of.)

https://www.efunda.com/designstandards/oring/oring_chemical.cfm?SM=none&...

The question is, what size O-rings for the case? Once we know that, we can get samples of different 0-rings, and leave them submerged in lighter fluid to see if they are disolved.

Meanwhile, I just ordered this Black Zorro case:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000309124461.html

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The ones I linked say 20mm.
Measuring the groove on the lighter is 36mm x 2 + 12mm x 2 = 96mm track length, / 3.14 = approx 30mm diameter.

So 20-25mm x 0.5mm o-rings might be a safe bet.

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Ok, so this is the rubbers recommended for Naptha:

https://i.ibb.co/3zFKpQ5/Screen-Shot-2020-02-09-at-6-24-01-PM.png

This 0-ring seems to the right size, and is rated a ‘2’ for ‘good’ on the chart:
https://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_...

Still trying to find one rated ‘1.’

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Thanks much for your efforts in trying to find replacements gents!

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You people….You damn people sent me down a damn rabbit hole and now….I have a Zorro 912 – Curved Lid – Polished Brass on its way to my mailbox! Big Smile
This thread…I swear it almost moved me, I am the proud owner of a very…VERY optimized edc, the thing has been going on for close to 10 years and I am truly running out of things to optimize!
The lighter (I am a smoker) I currectly use is a lovely polished brass armor Zippo whith a nice patina on it and a few dings and dents which I’ve come to love on a brass lighter, but it always felt like a very vanilla choice, it is a Zippo after all.
Anyways this got me going on a hunt for something different, I’ve checked expensive stuff like DuPonts but…MEH…I have a solid silver Dunhill from my Great-grandfather, which is far classier than anything new and if I want to go fancy, a Heriloom is always a solid choice.
I’ve checked cheaper stuff like Douglass lighters and whilst very interesting, they are a tad too much for my tastes as I’ve always been drawn towards more streamlined shapes rather than a Steampunky feel.

And then I see this…A gorgeous Zippo-like lighter, that weights 3 times as much, with a perfectly indexing lid, flush integral hinges and machined from a solid block of brass?!?!?

A clear case of “Shut up and take my money!” for me.
I wanted one exactly like CRX’s titanium one but in brass, somehow that curve line on the lid pleases me greatly, and a lot more than a flat one…God only knows why…
The closest one I could find with a curved lid has a hinge setup that’s a little different, CRX’s one is defined by the sellers as a 3-hinge design, I went for the 5-hinge one, I doubt it will make any difference in daily use and I am seriously considering straight up copying CRX and getting a Carson Wararmor in titanium as apparently they are still available from some AE sellers Smile

A bit long I know but this thread was truly a wonderful find for me, many thanks to everyone who posted, you made an obsessive madman happier…And now far more obessed Big Smile

p.s. I will give my 2cents review with pictures and wahtever else anyone might like to see, as soon as it arrives, ETA 27 November at the latest, hopefully it’ll get here sooner XD

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Welcome Swosh! Yeah, CRX sold a lot of these. Smile I’m a smoker too and as you stated, these are heavy duty, (except maybe for the Ti models), and I use mine as a table lighter. I’m still looking for the replacement O-rings.

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Hey there! If it can be of some help I’ve seen sellers on AE that actually sell a replacement o-rings package for the Zorros, otherwise have you considered simply waltzing into the closest watch repair shop in your area and asking for help?
I have been talking to a guy who says that the Zorros are “cheaply made chinese lighters” because he broke his doing, and I quote, “Extreme tricks”, now why would anyone try tricks on a lighter that clearly has stiff hinges it beats me…
I am curious which one did you get? I went for the 912 with a curved top lid, it weighs roughly 150g, there was the option for the 912S but that thing is even bigger and it weighs 210g, that one is too much lighter for me to carry but the less heavy one I think will be perfect for the 5th pocket in jeans Big Smile

Anyways I am extremely curious to get my hands on mine, I cannot wait!

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Living fairly rural, there’s no watch repair shops around here. Looks like mine is the same one you ordered. The stainless 912. Like I said, it’s too heavy for me to carry around. I’ll look into those O-ring replacements on AE.

So far the replacement O-ring that came with the lighter that I replaced the original with which deteriorated into pieces is holding up pretty well.

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