WildTrail WT90 - SBT90.2 1800m+ throw 90mm 3x 21700 With Texas_Ace driver

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I'm getting about 800 kcd out of the triple HK90 after tweaks, so I'm thinking 900-950 kcd maybe? Figure ~10% gain just from single vs. triple, plus more amps because of 3 parallel good batts, like 40T's. Might do better, but don't think over 1000 kcd, or if so, barely. Of course should de-lens the LED for another bump.

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I also got word on the silver / clear options.

They said if they can sell at least 45 silver units that they can make up a batch of them. It will take 30 days from start to finish for another batch is what I am told.

So if you want silver / clear, let your voice be heard. I counted them up and as of yesterday there were around 20 reservations for silver.

I told him I am pretty confident they will sell 45+ silver units but he wants an idea of how many more to make before he submits the order.

Is this 45 silver in addition to the originally planned 25? Meaning the first 25 silver should be available in ~2 weeks to order?

Thanks for helping create this light, it’s large mass should pair well with SBT90.2.

I think they mean 45 total, so it would be another batch of 20 clear lights is the smallest they can order is my guess. If the demand looks higher they can add more to that number but once the order is submitted it is kinda locked in.

Yes, the first 25 should be ready in ~2 weeks ish along with 75 black.

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Anyone know if the raw aluminum tarnishes with time? It looks like SS in the picture.

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Ahh, the tripod threaded mounting hole. I dont mean to stir the hornets nest or clutter the thread, but now I see this requires some explanation. With the temperatures this light reaches during continuous turbo or high mode, you’re going to need to add a handle to carry it… unless you enjoy 180+ degree F skin burns. As mentioned by Artiet59, there is plenty of substantial material available on the anterior portion of the head, opposite the switch by not completing the cooling fins/scallop in that one small area. If its too late during the current production run for the change, Id be more than happy to wait on the second batch to get the light I intend to use to its full potential.

As an aside, most of my successful reliable lights are resold in large number to outdoor enthusiasts and public service/emergency/rescue personnel who put them into service (no shelf-queens or collectors among them). I test every light to assure they perform as expected before passing them on. On so many levels, the omission of a simple threaded hole kills dozens of potential sales for this particular light.

TA, please bounce the idea off them and see what they have to say (including adding it later or during the second batch if necessary). Pending full review, reliability shake-down and mounting hole, this light should be a real winner for the masses.

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TA, this is all looking very good so far.

Can you please ask them to add a tripod mount option? (1/4-20 UNC) It will be needed most of the time in my usage case and should be simple enough for them to include it.

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Edit: Realized why the tripod was left out, there is just no where to easily put it without ruining the lines of the light and making the grip much larger. Unlike the GT the button is actually above the LED, so the tripod mount would have to stick out out the back of the light to have room.

I dont want to push it too much, becuase im sure its too late to add th tripod mount anyway, but i just watched that (awesome) production video in the OP, and it looks like even thought the button is above the LED that there is a natural location for a tripod mount opposite the button location, if they just flattened that area like they did for the button? Or are you saying that the tripod mount screw would stick through and interfere with the internals if it was placed there?

I only ask because it looks like it could be added without making the handle larger, by just flattening (instead of milling fins) opposite the button, and because it would be really nice to have a tripod mount for this light. Making the handle is easy, but i’m afraid i am incapable of milling my tripod hole.. Either way i am buying this one, but if they could do the tripod mount, that would be fantastic. but if they need to make the handle larger for some reason, then i agree its not worth adding it.

I can ask about it but looking at the CAD designs, there is no room for a full depth tripod thread without making significant changes to the design. It could be done but would either add a much harder machining step (oblong grip that would have to be milled instead of turned) and/or it would increase the grip size to a point uncomfortable to hold for most people.

There is but mere mm’s of space behind the button before you reach the reflector. The wires actually run inside the light next to the reflector to the switch.

It would require a rework for sure, I think the more practical option is something like was pointed out above and using a camera mount to adapt it to a tripod since in the big picture it is a niche use case as far as I am aware.

If the camera tripod adapter simply won;t work and people really want a tripod mount, I can push for it but realize it will come with some downsides and possible higher cost.

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Yokiamy wrote:
If you need a tripod mount, a clamp like THIS is very useful

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I wonder what the diameter of this flat area is?

Camera lens tripod rings can be had pretty cheap, bet there’s one around that size.

Yep, something like this is what I was thinking as well for those that need a tripod mount. If it is really something that people want I can see if they can make or find one that fits this light well to offer as an option. This should be doable.

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At this size, I’d really expect about 950kcd. The TN42v2 is very close in size to the WT90 and it claims 864kcd, though, so maybe I’m expecting a bit too much.

I’d love to see beamshot comparisons vs the MF02Sv2/MT90.

TomE, what do you expect to get out of this one?

VOB is not replying to me, guess he is taking a break, anyone else ya’ll trust you would like me to send the prototype to for review? I have been away for awhile so not sure who is still around.

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Tom E wrote:

I’m getting about 800 kcd out of the triple HK90 after tweaks, so I’m thinking 900-950 kcd maybe? Figure ~10% gain just from single vs. triple, plus more amps because of 3 parallel good batts, like 40T’s. Might do better, but don’t think over 1000 kcd, or if so, barely. Of course should de-lens the LED for another bump.

Yes, those numbers sound very reasonable, also keep in mind that my throw numbers are almost always noticeably lower then others, I got 1Mcd on the GT IIRC while others regularly recorded 1.2Mcd for example.

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zoulas wrote:
Anyone know if the raw aluminum tarnishes with time? It looks like SS in the picture.

The aluminum is coated with a clear ano to protect it for this very thing, so no worries!

The bezel is aluminum on the prototype.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
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At this size, I’d really expect about 950kcd. The TN42v2 is very close in size to the WT90 and it claims 864kcd, though, so maybe I’m expecting a bit too much.

I’d love to see beamshot comparisons vs the MF02Sv2/MT90.

TomE, what do you expect to get out of this one?

VOB is not replying to me, guess he is taking a break, anyone else ya’ll trust you would like me to send the prototype to for review? I have been away for awhile so not sure who is still around.

Member Chibim / 1Lumen ?

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Ahh, the tripod threaded mounting hole. I dont mean to stir the hornets nest or clutter the thread, but now I see this requires some explanation. With the temperatures this light reaches during continuous turbo or high mode, you’re going to need to add a handle to carry it… unless you enjoy 180+ degree F skin burns. As mentioned by Artiet59, there is plenty of substantial material available on the anterior portion of the head, opposite the switch by not completing the cooling fins/scallop in that one small area. If its too late during the current production run for the change, Id be more than happy to wait on the second batch to get the light I intend to use to its full potential.

As an aside, most of my successful reliable lights are resold in large number to outdoor enthusiasts and public service/emergency/rescue personnel who put them into service (no shelf-queens or collectors among them). I test every light to assure they perform as expected before passing them on. On so many levels, the omission of a simple threaded hole kills dozens of potential sales for this particular light.

TA, please bounce the idea off them and see what they have to say (including adding it later or during the second batch if necessary). Pending full review, reliability shake-down and mounting hole, this light should be a real winner for the masses.

I hear you and understand what you are saying. As I said I thought it was going to have a tripod mount until the prototype showed up.

The truth of it is that there is just not enough meat to fit a full sized tripod thread in the current setup without entering the main reflector cavity. Now it is possible that a tripod mount missing a thread or 2 could fit but then not sure if mounts would tighten down properly?

The other issue is size, if they extend the meat to fit the tripod mount, it will increase the grip size which is already large for most people.

I am thinking about practical options for adding a tripod mount. I like to have a viable option before I make a pitch. Put simply I can understand why they left the tripod mount off the light itself seeing the CAD designs and I don’t think I can make a solid case for it to be added all things considered.

That said, I am leaning towards the option of having an optional handle that could be mounted to the light, preferably something pre-made they can simply order but worth case they could make something. This gives the best of both worlds, handle for those that need it and smaller grip for those that don’t.

If people have alternate options I am all ears, I am not saying getting it into the light is impossible, just unlikely. I will have their engineer look into it for sure though.

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Yokiamy wrote:
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JaredM wrote:
At this size, I’d really expect about 950kcd. The TN42v2 is very close in size to the WT90 and it claims 864kcd, though, so maybe I’m expecting a bit too much.

I’d love to see beamshot comparisons vs the MF02Sv2/MT90.

TomE, what do you expect to get out of this one?

VOB is not replying to me, guess he is taking a break, anyone else ya’ll trust you would like me to send the prototype to for review? I have been away for awhile so not sure who is still around.

Member Chibim / 1Lumen ?

They actually contacted me but were not interested in the prototype (can’t blame them, it is a different type of review for a prototype). They wanted to review the production model which I think they will be able to work out.

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If people have alternate options I am all ears, I am not saying getting it into the light is impossible, just unlikely. I will have their engineer look into it for sure though.

This ?

Update, this one seems to fit all nitecore TM lights that have a 50mm tube diameter

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Yokiamy wrote:
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If people have alternate options I am all ears, I am not saying getting it into the light is impossible, just unlikely. I will have their engineer look into it for sure though.

This ?

Exactly what I was thinking.

The flat spots on the battery tube at 56.5mm, does anyone know of something that would fit that as is? Or know what size the one in the listing is (although a bit pricier then I would like)?

That would be a lot easier then making something custom.

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Can you measure the grip area diameter? Is it similar to the Q8 diameter?

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There’s This one from Asstrolux, which is pricey as well. It says its adjustable from 52 to 54 mm diameter.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
imrbatteries doesn’t ship to Alaska? They have some nice P42A 21700 cells for $5.99 that I ordered just the other day if so.

https://liionwholesale.com

Appears to ship to alaska and they have the P42A cells for $5.75 each if you buy 3.

Liionwholesale.com cancelled my last 2 orders. About 4 ish years ago I got in the Q8 buy and had them shipped but this last year and half No one is shipping up here I even went to some craptastic Vapecells for my 26650s.

I will check IMRbatteries.

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JordanZHP wrote:
Can you measure the grip area diameter? Is it similar to the Q8 diameter?

It is 56.5mm on the flat spots

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strayz wrote:
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imrbatteries doesn’t ship to Alaska? They have some nice P42A 21700 cells for $5.99 that I ordered just the other day if so.

https://liionwholesale.com

Appears to ship to alaska and they have the P42A cells for $5.75 each if you buy 3.

Liionwholesale.com cancelled my last 2 orders. About 4 ish years ago I got in the Q8 buy and had them shipped but this last year and half No one is shipping up here I even went to some craptastic Vapecells for my 26650s.

I will check IMRbatteries.

Very odd, try imr. There is another site I have ordered from in the past as well but can’t remember it off hand.

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https://www.18650batterystore.com/ has been ok for me. These are the top 3 I'm aware of (Liion Wholesale, IMR, 18650 batt store).

 

 

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Im in for a silver if available.

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https://www.18650batterystore.com/ has been ok for me. These are the top 3 I’m aware of (Liion Wholesale, IMR, 18650 batt store).


 


 

Yep, that was it.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
JaredM wrote:
At this size, I’d really expect about 950kcd. The TN42v2 is very close in size to the WT90 and it claims 864kcd, though, so maybe I’m expecting a bit too much.

I’d love to see beamshot comparisons vs the MF02Sv2/MT90.

TomE, what do you expect to get out of this one?

VOB is not replying to me, guess he is taking a break, anyone else ya’ll trust you would like me to send the prototype to for review? I have been away for awhile so not sure who is still around.


I really trust Flashoholic, and he does quality reviews. But I don’t know if the prototype thing is different for him?
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Regarding the tripod hole, I guess I’m having a hard time understanding why the opposite side of the switch cannot work? If of course the fins weren’t milled out, and it remained a solid chunk of metal? Does leaving that as a solid flat piece effect the grip? It doesn’t seem like it would effect the battery tube?

EDIT: I just watched the video again, especially the first 20 second when they are rotating the upper showing the head and the button hole drilled out, the fins on the back really look like they’d have just enough meat, if left unmilled and flat, for the threading. But when millimeters matter using my eye does no good. I

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Have any of the GT lights been misrepresented? I honestly don’t think so, my point being a self-made video would be cool. Just going through the basics of the light, beamshots, walking around with it, and measurements would be a great video.

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Robin Dobbie wrote:
Have any of the GT lights been misrepresented? I honestly don’t think so, my point being a self-made video would be cool. Just going through the basics of the light, beamshots, walking around with it, and measurements would be a great video.

Agreed!
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Regarding the tripod hole, I guess I’m having a hard time understanding why the opposite side of the switch cannot work? If of course the fins weren’t milled out, and it remained a solid chunk of metal? Does leaving that as a solid flat piece effect the grip? It doesn’t seem like it would effect the battery tube?

EDIT: I just watched the video again, especially the first 20 second when they are rotating the upper showing the head and the button hole drilled out, the fins on the back really look like they’d have just enough meat, if left unmilled and flat, for the threading. But when millimeters matter using my eye does no good. I

I don’t have exact measurements but comparing it to my GT tripod hole, there does not appear to be enough room in those fins for the threads. The bottom fin is deep enough but the reflector inside the light starts expanding, that is why the upper fins are shallower. By the 3rd fin, there would not be enough room for sure as it is only a few mm deep. I am not sure how thick the metal behind the fins is but the CAD drawing does not look like it would be thick enough.

I did ask them to look into it though and they are but they are much more receptive to a handle that can be added to the light understandably. I told them if they make the handle custom that adding a tripod mount to it would be great. We will see what happens.

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Artiet59 wrote:
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JaredM wrote:
At this size, I’d really expect about 950kcd. The TN42v2 is very close in size to the WT90 and it claims 864kcd, though, so maybe I’m expecting a bit too much.

I’d love to see beamshot comparisons vs the MF02Sv2/MT90.

TomE, what do you expect to get out of this one?

VOB is not replying to me, guess he is taking a break, anyone else ya’ll trust you would like me to send the prototype to for review? I have been away for awhile so not sure who is still around.


I really trust Flashoholic, and he does quality reviews. But I don’t know if the prototype thing is different for him?

Got a link to him? I am not familiar with him.

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Have any of the GT lights been misrepresented? I honestly don’t think so, my point being a self-made video would be cool. Just going through the basics of the light, beamshots, walking around with it, and measurements would be a great video.

The issue I have had about doing reviews of my own lights is I could unconsciously look at them with rose colored glasses. This is why I try to keep my “reviews” on group buy lights I am running as fact based as possible to remain above any possible mis-representation.

I have no problems with others giving honest opinion based reviews which is why I am trying to get this prototype into the hands of someone that could do an unbiased review.

The usage of the light is identical to the GT70/90/94 as it uses the same firmware.

If I can find some time I might take some quick beamshots one of these nights and see how they turn out. I have about 10 projects going on at once right now (including building a barn that is a bit more work then I had planned lol) so have not had much time to sit still much less go take beamshots recently.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
Artiet59 wrote:
Texas_Ace wrote:
JaredM wrote:
At this size, I’d really expect about 950kcd. The TN42v2 is very close in size to the WT90 and it claims 864kcd, though, so maybe I’m expecting a bit too much.

I’d love to see beamshot comparisons vs the MF02Sv2/MT90.

TomE, what do you expect to get out of this one?

VOB is not replying to me, guess he is taking a break, anyone else ya’ll trust you would like me to send the prototype to for review? I have been away for awhile so not sure who is still around.


I really trust Flashoholic, and he does quality reviews. But I don’t know if the prototype thing is different for him?

Got a link to him? I am not familiar with him.

Yes you do, he had some “issues” with your TA tube. The_Flashaholic

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