yep, i agree, i had an olight s1 with side switch that was pretty stiff, PITA, i gave it away.
A bit to late for that you essentially just called everyone who doesn’t agree with you a moron, you should really quit while your ahead and not double down cause it just makes things worse.
are you really? :innocent:
she is denial herself, afaik no one denies climate change, it is the global warming that is questioned. those two are not the same things.
To the OP on the orginial topic.
If you do not link side switches just quit buying them.
If you do not like electronic switches just do not buy them.
I have had more end cap switches turn on in my pocket than side switches. Burned one time because I wanted that hot SOB out of my pocket now!
So you are in capable of mechanical or electric Lock outs?
that sounds more like a user problem. If it was near as bad as you made it sound in your first post the market (Most of Us around these parts of BLF) would have stopped buying them or when BLF designed lights from the forum would never have them ,
Learn to Keep your light in a pocket by itself, or locked out and Keep on keeping on.
No!
Don’t buy cheap junk. Buy something like a Zebralight. I have never had one accidentally turn on in my pocket. I never lock-out lights, either. (I want them ready for quick use.) But, you can always lock out with a quick twist if you really want extra safety. Oh, and a Zebralight won’t burn you, even if it does turn on in your pocket. It has good thermal control.
Again, just don’t buy cheap junk, and you’ll be okay.
I also recently bought a Emisar D4v2. It’s a hot-rod, but you can specify a raised switch retaining ring when you order it. I haven’t had it long enough to know if that’s enough, but it seems like it should be. It also has thermal controls, but probably not good enough to prevent burning you from the LEDs before the internals heat up enough to ramp it down. So, I wouldn’t rely on that. You can lock it out easily with a twist. (Or a dumb 4-click option, which I agree is annoying.)
And there are plenty of other options. So, yes, manufacturers do make a jacket pocket light without a protruding side switch that gets bumped on inside a pocket.
it seems to be the trend to day to hold someone else responsible for your own poor decisions.
I see Rusty Joes post just to discuss a valid point. He used the same words he would have used in a 1 on 1 conversation on the street. It doesn't mean (I think) that he really wants to ban them (as by law). Maybe I'm wrong though. But it's a topic he would like to address.
I think he has a fair point, and I think it can be a good discussion. Maybe we can share our experiences and let eachother know what did and what didn't help. What other options are there for drivers/manufacturers to take care of this.
What options are there to prevent a flashlight to burn your pants?
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Physical lockout
- untwist the battery tube
- Rear switch activation before the side switch is activated?
- twisty style (like the popular keychain flashlights)
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Electronic lockout
- I don't like the 3 seconds press and hold for lockout.. too easy to activate
- Double click (like RovyVon) this could be an option. It's less likely to activate with a double click.. but can still happen
- Any others?
- Olight's light sensitivity sensor for backup is nice as well. In case you turn the flashlight on, the light will be dimmed because of its built-in light sensor.
- Olight Marauder 2 has a safety feature where you have to rotate a knob for at least 90 degrees before you can turn the flashlight on. very unlikely this will happen by accident.. It also has an auto lockout timer.
- Side switch that is not protruding?
- How about a dual switch, where you'd have to press both switches at the same time? Especially if both are non-protruding, that could be an option.
- A firmware that will always start in Moon (and clicks for running through the modes instead of press and hold, like Anduril)
- A physical obstruction (like a cap or something) that has to be moved/removed/turned?
- Auto lockout timer?
- After not using the light for X minutes, the flashlight will auto-lock itself... no need to lock it manually each time.
What else can we think of?
Maybe that hot surface warning symbol too…. triangle logo. This seems like it used to be more common ~10 years ago.
Asbestos flashlight pants?
None, really, unless you want a ridiculously overpriced light or one that’s a chore to use.
Too “inconvenient”, not “tactical” enough. After all, lights in a pocket, bag, backpack, etc., have to be instantly available at full turbo, and having to give a tailcap a quarter-twist Just Won’t Fly.
And only anal-retentive morons lock out lights after each use. (Not to yank the Band-Aid off the scab, but that was a huge no-go right from the start.)
Same, not “tactical” enough and just too inconvenient to click a few times to start ’er up.
Probably ridiculously expensive to implement in a 20buk light, which won’t be 20bux anymore. You want a Sofirn or Convoy to be priced like an Oilight or Nitecore, well…
Gee, if a quarter-turn to un-lockout is too inconvenient and not tactical enough, you think a quarter-turn before each activation will fly?
“Hard to activate with gloves on”, “can’t push in that hard with my arthritic fingers”, “Gramma can’t work buttons like those”, etc.
“I want my mode-memory, damnit!!”
Wow, see all of the above…
To do what? Automatically lock out after N minutes of inactivity? Still need to unlock, which is the biggest gripe. It won’t be “tactical” anymore.
Radical idea: personal responsibility.
I want a razor-sharp knife to do my cooking. I don’t want all knives to be “dumbed down” to be as sharp as butter-knives.
There is no solution that would be everyone happy. Hell, a simple quarter-turn to lock out a light was not just rejected as a solution, but outright ridiculed.
On my table, zero lockouts, always at the ready. In a bag, in a holster, in a pocket, always physically locked out. I trust a quarter-turn more than I do 4 clicks. If I need a light at the ready, I’ll have it in my hand and not locked out.
Ugh. Wish they would go back to stickers so I could peel off the ugly-ass things. I don’t want them etched into any lights, but there they are…
Not wearing pants in the first place?
Nah.
Yeah, I figured.
I carry an S2+ in a holster and it does not accidently activate. In my opinion, a holster is the way to go. More room for pocket knife, keys, phone, etc. in front pockets.
I know we rag on each other, and I deserve my share even more, but the Olight SR51 had a large blue protruding side switch and it never got accidentally activated. And if we can do it, and have it workable and usable, we should. That’s what I want—dialog about worthy and ready lights that you CAN actually be put in a side, back, or jacket pocket and not fear accidental turn-on. It’s really not that much to ask.